--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: E1200002 Date: 12/26/96 From: DENNIS JENKINS Time: 08:07pm \/To: BONNIE GOODWIN (Read 1 times) Subj: Sarcasm, Insults & Audio BG>For 1997, I'm hoping to getting this echo available through the Fidone BG>backbone and ported to a USENET group, so that perhaps we can stay in BG>touch even BG>if we can't all see messages on a Fido BBS, and so that those that have BG>similar fates as David Light and others can still talk to the "bunch of BG>regulars" that have been with us all of this time. People without a local fidonet connection can telnet to bbs.neverending.com and get all the fidonet echos. He asks for a donation but he will let you use it even if you are too cheap to pay. Dennis Jenkins --- * PW * sorry no taglines * Origin: The STL CATII BBS (314-351-7150) (314-353-9441) (1:100/757) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: E1200003 Date: 12/28/96 From: NANCY WOOD Time: 12:25am \/To: BONNIE GOODWIN (Read 1 times) Subj: Echo Future BG> Happy holidays to you! Same to you, Bonnie! BG> If I had access to some of the Fidonet opersational echos it BG> would be good topic to talk about there. I know that a number of BBSs BG> are getting their packets through the Internet now, as well as the Planet BG> Connect setup, and figured that perhaps somewhere there is archives of BG> the echos and a way to get the echos from the Internet. Our net, 387, gets theirs via a gateway, established with texas.net. You could send mail to George Brann (the new gateway person) or Doug Palmer,(the old one) and get the particulars from them as to how it is done. BG> as most everyone agrees that going the way of a newsgroup is an anarchy BG> situation, difficult to keep any kind of focus of topic on with BG> all of the spamming and off-topic messages found in most of them. So, BG> a True.. That is why James was leery of going newsgroup. With no way to really moderate the echo, it would be anarchy (especially the ENVIRON echo) BG> Please keep me informed on what ENVIRON is looking at for BG> options, and BG> great seeing you in here as well as PRO_AUDIO. Thanks... I haven't heard anything from James about his thoughts on integrating (after all it's his echo, and I only co-moderate). But for a while, he was considering doing it via his website. Nancy --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Electronic Avenue * San Antonio, TX * 210-333-0060 (1:387/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: E1200004 Date: 12/28/96 From: BONNIE GOODWIN Time: 08:39am \/To: GORDON GILBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: ECHO FUTURE Hi Gordon! Thanks for your assessment of the Internet echos. Yes, one of the moderated newsgroups would be where we would probably end up over there, but the perspective here as well as there would be somewhat unique. While we occasionally get to talk about high end stuff here, I consider AUDIO a little more user oriented than a specific group type like tubes or only equipment with snob or professional usage, so, that would be the niche that we could fill there on the internet. I'm now looking into getting listed as a rec. newsgroup and mailing lists as the two viable options currently. I've been lurking in most of the audio newsgroups, trying to determine how each one approaches things, that is, if an approach is possible on these things. Moderation is something that is really required to maintain a quality control on things, but I try to keep interference with the echo to the minimum, other than my opinions on various things. Bonnie *:> --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: Omni - (916) 388-0905, longest running Sac BBS (1:203/3333) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: E1200005 Date: 12/28/96 From: JIM RAVER Time: 10:42am \/To: BONNIE GOODWIN (Read 1 times) Subj: Echo future Hello Bonnie, I read your post on the future of the echo and the thought of making it an internet news group. Personally, I would hate to see this happen. I enjoy Fidonet echos much more than internet newsgroups. In fact, I totally gave up on the internet newsgroups about a year ago. I got sick of wading through 100 messages to find 1 that was even worth reading. I have a number of users on my BBS here that are also in the same boat and have come back to Fidonet to escape the internet. The internet is great for some things but I know a lot of people that prefer Fidonet echos because of the much more friendly and personal atmosphere. I enjoy reading this echo and have learned a fair ammount from it by lurking in the background. One of these days I'll know enough about audio to actually post some intellegent replies ;) There's my 2 cents worth ;) Jim --- GEcho 1.20/Pro/PBBS * Origin: Redbeard's Cove BBS, Security, CO. (719) 392-2705 (1:128/202) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: E1200006 Date: 12/28/96 From: DANIEL ARDELINE Time: 03:12pm \/To: JOHN ALLEN (Read 1 times) Subj: Echo Future JA> it". I also do not believe we should begin limiting ourselves JA> to the "high end" and exotics. I was recently taken back by a review in JA> Stereophiles Home Theater Magazine reviewing a projection TV. They JA> really clobbered this set. But their prime reason for hating this set JA> was its' "ability to been seen clearly with ambient lighting". I guess JA> no self respecting Home Theater Enthusiast would dare watch a movie JA> with ANY lights on. That woke me up to the attitude many in the high JA> end share. It must be ultra-expensive, exotic, and doesn't have to JA> make any common sense or even offer proof that it works, to be a good JA> high end audio product. Very good points. I am an audio hobbyist, but have never taken any courses related to it and I don't do it as a career. I think some people lose sight of the fact that we aren't all audio engineers, and it isn't fair to patronize or talk down to those who may not be experts. We were all beginners at one point, and trying to exclude those who may not know quite as much about audio as we do is an attitude I find extremely disturbing. Over the last few years I've read as much as I could on audio and gone through a lot of different components, and I am more than happy to act as a teacher sometimes and share that knowledge. You are right, not everybody has thousands of dollars to spend on equipment. There are some who think nothing of spending $5000 on a power amp because they think that anything that costs less can't possibly compare to it. This is snobbishness and stupidity at the highest degree. Whatever happened to looking for quality products at prices that won't break the bank. There are people in my family who would ensure that I never heard the end of it if I were to put tower speakers in the living room. They don't see the need for it, and as far as they are concerned speakers are just another ugly piece of furniture. If I were a recording engineer and was living on my own, yes, I probably would have a $6000 stereo with big, weird looking speakers. But for most of us compromise must be part of the equation somewhere. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Blue Beam,Stoney Creek,Ontario,Canada 905-662-5784 (1:244/120) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: E1200007 Date: 12/28/96 From: ANDREW NAYLOR Time: 09:57pm \/To: PHIL ROBERTS (Read 1 times) Subj: Lie Detector? PR>This is stretching the topic a bit far, but has anyone stumbled on a PR>voice-stress analysis program for the PC? It seems that a run-of-the-mill PR>sound card would have enough resolution for the job. Supposedly, a voice- PR>stress analysis would even work on television audio. I'd love to know who's PR>lying to me on TV! Hmm...good idea. If you hear of a program let me know... -ANDREW NAYLOR KB9IZK- (Tech Plus) (Age 16) <>< Internet Address: ANDREW.NAYLOR@ODDS-BBS.COM FidoNet Address: ANDREW NAYLOR@1:2255/901 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3a mQCNAjEuxmEAAAEEANML3ISQVz9fiRIBj48k0IJ/v8repO6M8XMtxnBFhy4pO5R0 mFxT1/FnuueBHF7bRNFzvMJSZazSsBdF4fSlAPAQcpOuk+NIaecwfQ9U5ZggXoSK c+wEFZAXXnvdRwb4m4Dl7OuKqQNiuswQP4Ay/AeQAWiRaGjsz/7cNrWpNEYdAAUR tDFBbmRyZXcgTmF5bG9yIEtCOUlaSyA8QU5EUkVXLk5BWUxPUkBPRERTLUJCUy5D T00+ =vLj2 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --- SLMR 2.1a "If I could reach you, I would hurt you, Pinky." * Origin: * O.D.D.S.* 317-649-7995 * Anderson IN * (1:2255/901) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: E1200008 Date: 12/28/96 From: GORDON GILBERT Time: 02:55pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: New Audio Web Site Announcing A New Audio WEB Site "The Audio Asylum" http://www.imperium.net/~glg My new Audio WEB Site is now officially open. The "Audio Asylum" features CD recommendations for the serious audiophile who cares not only about content, but Audio QUALITY as well. Part of the reason I created the CD recommendation sections was to deal with the shortcomings of magazine music reviews (and even many Internet reviews). There are several problems I have with most typical music reviews. These include: 1> Magazine reviews rarely tell you what system(s) they evaluate any given album with. The reader has no idea how to gauge the writer's comments on sound quality. For all the reader knows, the writer may have auditioned the album completely on a cheap portable CD player with earbud headphones while reading a newspaper in a park. 2> Sound Quality scales in magazines are often non-standardized. When a writer says the sound quality for one album is "zippy" and "shredded" for another, I feel like I'm reading about cereal not audio! A simple A-F scale is badly needed. 3> Magazines that have several reviewers that contribute one or two reviews each month make it difficult to get to know an individual reviewer and whether your tastes match that reviewer at all. To do so requires comparing many magazines all at once or having a very good memory for matching names (or worse yet initials) with several month old reviews. 4> Magazines, for some inexplicable reason, feel the need to review albums that they don't like. Why waste the reader's time with albums that are no good? Who really wants to read a put-down review (especially if one really disagrees with writer in question)? Pot-shot reviewing is worthless, in my opinion. It would be better to ignore the disc or let someone who enjoys that album review it, so they can point out why one might want to buy it. There's just too many albums out there to have a list of bad albums, IMO. The Audio Asylum's recommended CD lists attempt to deal with these shortcomings. The current HiFi system used to audition compact discs is listed in the HiFi Hardware page along with short reviews of the hardware. A standardized sound quality scale based on a simple A-F scale (described) is used throughout based on the current best sounding discs. I will adjust the scale to include large improvements in CD sound by adding higher ratings (such as A+++ should I find a CD with a vast improvement over current discs) or by adjusting current ratings. Unless noted otherwise in the future, I am the sole reviewer for the pages and all reviews are available at once for inspection across two lists (the number of lists may change over time). Currently, one list features classical, orchestral, soundtracks, and other non-rock category CDs and the other list features Pop and Rock CDs. All CDs recommended are subjectively approved and short to medium length reviews are provided. I will not recommend albums I don't like, irrespective of sound quality. A super high quality CD with uninteresting music is merely a demo CD to show off to one's friends. I only recommend discs I enjoy. I make no guarantees you will enjoy them, however. The Audio Asylum exists also to introduce the High End Audio Community to Japanese Anime CD Soundtracks. Many of these soundtracks are of exceptional audio quality and contain a vast variety of musical styles. I found it surprising that some of the best sounding discs are not well known. Included is a page that lists a number of places to purchase these discs from and description of what ANIME is. For those interested, there is also a photography section (a hobby of mine), which features a variety of 24-bit scans of some of my pictures. Everything from photos from the Cleveland Rock&Roll Hall of Fame to photos of Comet Hyakutake are featured. There is also a LINKS page featuring various HiFi Sites (such as the Audio FAQ), and other topics of interest. The Audio Asylum will continue to be updated as I find more discs that I recommend, hardware is updated and reviewed, LINKS are added, etc. This is a non-profit, private site, provided completely on my own time as a service to the High End Audio Community. I hope this site encourages other sites featuring similar standardized methods to be developed, so we can all make better buying decisions and discover new and different styles of music, not neccessarily receiving much, if any, airplay on the radio. I can only review discs I buy and approve (unless record companies decide to start sending me free samples :), so the range of discs I can review is limited to what I own or buy in the future. Thus the creation of more sites would benefit the HiFi community even more (myself included). This site uses standarized HTML code with some optimizations for Netscape extensions (but NO FRAMES!). It is best viewed with a graphical browser, but is still HIGHLY LYNX (text browser) friendly (It was created on a C= Amiga with a graphics browser and the Amiga version of LYNX to accomodate as many users as possible while still providing a few frills for graphics viewers.) Where tables are used, they have been modified to be readable even with older non-table supporting browsers. LINKS from other audio, anime, or photography web pages are encouraged. -- - Gordon Gilbert | glg@imperium.net - - The Audio Asylum on the Internet - - http://www.imperium.net/~glg - * AmyBW v2.14 * ... "There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact, it's all rk" --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: CanCom TBBS - Canton, OH (1:157/629) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: E1200009 Date: 12/28/96 From: GREG KURTH Time: 07:55am \/To: GORDON GILBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: BASS RANGE GG> Turning it around and asking the opposite end might help. How can y GG>ear drum (not terribly unlike a speaker cone) receive more than one frequenc I never really thought of it that way. . --- SLMR 2.0 #1330 Congressman: Lies to reporters & believes the media. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Telnet toltbbs.com or call 313-854-6001, Boardwatch #55 (1:234/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: E1200010 Date: 12/29/96 From: ROBERT MARCUS Time: 10:35am \/To: JOHN ALLEN (Read 1 times) Subj: Dual Input JA> From the vintage of your equipment, I cannot say with JA>any JA>authority that different speaker cables, upgraded patch cords JA>between JA>your gear and two channel sound card nor replacing the "bare JA>wire JA>speaker connectors" with 5 Way Binding Posts, would make ANY JA>difference. I would not believe that the "hum" in your system JA>is being caused by the type or gauge of wire nor termination. JA> With that said, I believe I would still go ahead and JA>replace the "bare wire speaker connectors" with a good JA>quality JA>spade lug or 5 Way post. This change is very inexpensive and JA>simple JA>to execute with a minimum of time and tools. JA> Were I to get the bug and change speaker cables I JA>wouldn't JA>go to anything more exotic than something like the Tara Labs JA>Klara JA>cable at $.79 (US) per ft. I have an old Dynaco Amp that I JA>just love. JA>It is far from the best amp available, and even was a mid JA>priced JA>amp back in the 70s when it came into being. But it has a JA>wonderful JA>warm sound and it sits and plays in a place of honor in my JA>office, JA>where I listen to it for hours on end. JA> When I first acquired the amp I was like a little kid JA>at Xmas JA>and almost had the lid off before I got it in the house. I JA>was JA>horrified to see the wiring and quality of wire used in its' JA>manufacture. Yet it sounds great. What would I gain by JA>putting JA>really primium grade cables on the outside when the inside JA>looks JA>like a Radio Shack odds and ends sale? Probably nothing. JA> I ended up using Monster Interlink 200 balanced patch JA>cords and original issue Monster Cable speaker wires, and JA>doubt anything else would sound better. What is outside will JA>not improve what is inside. JA> My main system is a different story. I heard a JA>difference JA>that I liked between the Monsters and the Tara Labs that I JA>finally JA>selected. But my individual pieces of equipment and speakers JA>all JA>have excellent wiring, terminations and binding posts. So JA>cable JA>upgrading seemed more logical. JA> Cables and terminations are a very hot topic among JA>engineers JA>and some of our "golden earred brethren". I have spent many JA>hours reading JA>both sides of the subject. And as a result I am more confused JA>than when I started. I just go with my ears and to hell with JA>everyone else. JA> Guess that isn't really much help, but if you get JA>tired of that JA>"vintage" equipment, give me a shout. JA>Cheers, John JA>--- Maximus/2 3.01 JA> * Origin: The Union Jack BBS, Phoenix, AZ, USA. 602-274-9921 JA>(1:114/260) Hey! Thanks for the response. I suppose, minimumly, upgrading to "state of the art" would be the "ultimate" solution for the problems of 60 cycle hum nd all that that my Yamaha P-2200 is giving off on its own lately without the attenuators full on and the Crown IC-150 completely turned off. You have to literally stick yer head in the speaker to hear it, however, but it does now do this after 20 odd years of faithfull service. My aux power amp is a very used McIntosh 2105 that makes more hiss than a roomful of rattle snakes. But it disappears after the first few notes and a comfortable volume both in speakers and headphones of which I do most of my listening. Santa (wife) bought me the Sony MDR-V600 stereo headphones this Christmas and I hear stuff I ain't ne'r heard before. But none of it is bad. I wonder what is out on the market these days that would be good equipment? My system has a very flat frequency response and I do not know whether oday's systems are colored or whether flat response is a selling point, what with today's crappy music needing so much bass response and lack of strings sections, brass sections, etc. Hey! My old Horowitz vinyls sound better to me than the CD re-issues. - Pedit Ver 2.2 --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: The CatWalk BBS Davie, Fl 305-370-3528 USR V.EveryThing (1:369/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: E1200011 Date: 12/27/96 From: DAVE HALLIDAY Time: 02:42pm \/To: BONNIE GOODWIN (Read 1 times) Subj: Echo Future >Hi Dave, Hi Bonnie! BG> Thanks for you input on this! BG> There is no plan to abandon Fidonet, but seeing how rusty the bridge is >getting, it may dissapear some day, and I want something in place for >those that want to stay in touch with each other. The bridge may be getting rusty but I think there will be a bit of a backlash once people reach saturation on AOL poseurs, $$$CASH$$$ scams and half-finished web pages... It is like pulling teeth to get my net callers to explore the other nets but once they do - there is no stopping them! Also, re: mailing lists - do you know about the synth-diy one? If you are into construction, this is a great group of people! TTYL - Dave --- QMPro 1.53 Dijon Vu - You've Tasted This Mustard Before * Origin: Grey Matter : (206) 526-2400 (1:343/210)