--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DGG00002 Date: 12/11/96 From: BONNIE GOODWIN Time: 01:48am \/To: ANTHONY WHITE (Read 2 times) Subj: rolly Hey Anthony, Please take your conversation somwhere other than the International Fidonet AUDIO echo, please. Bonnie Goodwin Moderator-AUDIO --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: Omni - (916) 388-0905, longest running Sac BBS (1:203/3333) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DGG00003 Date: 12/11/96 From: ANTONY WHITE Time: 01:19pm \/To: IAN WARREN (Read 2 times) Subj: Spelling Hey gay dude, whats up i hear that you fuck this guy called Aaron. I know all the SysOps and they said they are happy to kick you off their bbs's. LAterZ --- * Origin: FunCity CBCS, Hamilton, NZ, 64-7-856-1499 (3:774/550) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DGG00004 Date: 12/12/96 From: IAN WARREN Time: 09:46am \/To: ANTONY WHITE (Read 2 times) Subj: You What is your problem? You want a crack in the head or something? Get the message man, you're not funny. Gay humor is not funny. If that is all you can think of, you must be pretty insecure with yourself. BBSs are supposed to be fun and useful places, not for trying to make yourself look big and powerful. Perhaps you'd like to meet me in real life, if you didn't know, that is what is outside that little computer room of yours. You obviously sit in there all day and play 'computers' in this imaginary world. You're also a big fat geek. Got a girlfriend, nah, retorical question. Got any friends? You should get off your fat arse and get out into the real world man! Spanky. --- * Origin: FunCity CBCS, Hamilton, NZ, 64-7-856-1499 (3:774/550) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DGG00005 Date: 12/12/96 From: BONNIE GOODWIN Time: 12:16am \/To: IAN WARREN (Read 2 times) Subj: Spelling Ian! Don't you and your mate have anything to do besides pollute the International AUDIO echo with your stupid displays of obscenity? I know where your sysop is. I'll scratch his bloody eyes out for allowing this kind of dribble on the echo. Bonnie Goodwin Moderator- AUDIO --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: Omni - (916) 388-0905, longest running Sac BBS (1:203/3333) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DGG00006 Date: 12/11/96 From: MATT ION Time: 09:36pm \/To: T OWEN (Read 2 times) Subj: RE: SUBS And so it came to pass, on 11-15-96 17:48, that T Owen spake unto Gordon Gilbert: TO> That's precisely the point. Why do you think that manufacturers try so hard to keep TO> the bandwidth wide? It isn't because we can *hear* those frequencies below 20hz and TO> above 20khz, but we can percieve them, and we can *hear* the artifacts of limited TO> bandwidth, such as the phase shift that starts a decade above the low cutoff TO> frequency, and a decade below the high cutoff frequency. This is a very good point that don't think I've ever considered before (although I have always agreed that there are good reasons NOT to limit bandwith to exactly within audible limits). Given than a CD's sampling rate of 44.1kHz allows a theoretical maximum frequency of ~22.05kHz, that means you need a "brick wall" filter (a few dozen orders for at least a couple hundred dB per octave) at around 20kHz, and this causes hideous amounts of phase shift and other ugliness. If one can increase the sample rate by, say, a factor of four (to 176kHz), the "steepness" of the filter can be reduced dramatically, with a matching decrease in the problems it causes. TO> Opinion is one thing, but the fact is that the Carver amps simply do not have the TO> rails that a Bryston has. I would take a Crown over a Carver, a Crest over a Crown, TO> a Bryston over a Crest, and an FM Acoustics over all of them (but who can afford an TO> FM?). AL-III? Never heard of that one. Carver "Amazing Loudspeakers", their 7-foot-tall ribbon jobs. Talk about comparing apples and oranges :-) ------------------------------------------- Love, luck, and lollipops... Matt --- Sqed/32 1.10/unreg * Origin: la Point Strangiato... (1:153/7040.106) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DGH00000 Date: 12/12/96 From: STEVE MCCOIN Time: 05:17pm \/To: JOHN ALLEN (Read 2 times) Subj: Legacy Sig IIIs -> Alright!!!!!! Glad to hear you ordered your Sig IIIs from Legacy. -> They are said to be some of the sweetest sounding speakers available at NY -> cost. As a metter of fact, at one point, those were the speakers most ften -> purchased by the personnel that work there. That should tell you omething! -> I know it gets old hearing someone rave on and on about any specific -> product in audio. Especially when absolutely everything is so much a matter of -> perception and personal taste. But for me, few products and even fewer -> manufacturers attitudes seem more in tune with the common audio nthusiast. -> They seem like they are there because they have a love for what they are doing -> and pursuit of the same thing we are after sonically. -> Please let me know how hard it is to set the Sig IIIs up and get them -> just right. I have read some posts that they were very easy speakers to work -> with. BTW, what are you going to be pushing those with? -> Cheers, John -> --- Maximus/2 3.01 -> * Origin: The Union Jack BBS, Phoenix, AZ, USA. 602-274-9921 (1:114/260) To start with I am going to use my existing Onkyo 727 but I have been considering using it more as the preamp and buy a power amp. I am seriously considering the Legacy MultiChannel amp. I can configure it to drive the front and rears and still use the Onkyo for the center channel or I can use the Legacy Amp for just the front and let the Onkyo drive the rear and center. If I add a passive subwoofer, I could reconfigure the Legacy to drive the front speakers and the center channel. The Legacy amp just seems so darn versatile. Beside its versatility, the price is almost impossible to beat. They put a nice price on it with the purchase of the Signature IIIs. I did listen to a Golden Tube Audio SE 40 tube amp and was quite impress by its warmth but it did not have nearly the flexibility of the Legacy MultiChannel amplifier. I hope the placement is pretty straightforward. I am really just getting into the this higher end audio. Bill really thought they should be easy to place in the room. However, the controls included on each speaker seem to allow quite a bit of fine tuning. What is your opinion on biwiring the speakers? If I purchased the Legacy multichannel, I could actually biwire the speakers from just that power amp and let the Onkyo carry the center and the rear speakers? Steve --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0GY * Origin: Desktop Micro's BBS (1:232/302) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DGH00001 Date: 12/12/96 From: RICK MCBROOM Time: 03:36pm \/To: DAVID MARHEINE (Read 2 times) Subj: CD vs HiFi VHS OK, I've been lurking for 3 or 4 months, time to come out of the woodwork, I guess... -=> Quoting David Marheine to David Schmoll <=- DM> I doubt if mass-produced video tape is quite what was being referred to. And if it was, I doubt that VHS videotape was the subject. To illustrate what a dinosaur I am, I still believe (passionately) in Beta... ;-) DM> Hmm, more treble, more midrange, more bass... Would you say the VHS DM> was louder too? ;-> ROFL! Yeah, level matching is sooo important to a meaningful A/B comparison.. DS> I always loved the sound of CD'S before this occured, and now DS> that I'm aware of the real difference.... DM> Perhaps you just need more expensive cables. DM> Personally, I'd like to get a CD of a Very Expensive turntable with a DM> Highly Esoteric cartridge playing a completely blank Audiophile Japanese DM> Virgin Vinyl LP... , ROFL, and PMP! DM> Much of which is my way of saying that CD's are capable of delivering DM> a pretty damn accurate copy of the master tape to your living room. DM> What you do with the signal from that point is your own business, DM> but you can probably simulate any other medium pretty accurately by DM> ADDING noise, distortion, dynamic range and/or frequency response DM> aberrations... Exactly... DM> Some Voodoophiles and terminal tweakers expend as many adjectives DM> rationalizing their expenditures as they expend dollars chasing DM> phantom improvements to their systems. Personally, I recommend DM> listening to music instead of trying to listen to hardware. And if DM> you discover everything sounds better to you when you push all 12 DM> sliders of the equalizer up 3 dB, that's fine by me. I certainly DM> won't respect you any less than the people who hear dramatic DM> improvements when using gold plated power cords... Our opinions on audio gear are similar, apparently. First, I'll say that I do have certain minimum standards. I try to stay semi-abreast of the state of the art.. hence my skimming/lurking in this echo, and other forums, and a bit of periodical reading here and there. However, the /music/ is far, far more important to me than the hardware. As long as I'm forced to operate under a budget, maximum bang-for-the-buck will be the number one criterium in my hardware purchases. I've given up on chasing the state-of-the-art in hardware... NP: Link Wray _Bullshot_ "Switchblade" ... IF WINDOWS$ = "Useful" THEN HELL$ < 32 F. --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: The Music Room, Memphis TN (901) 452-2134 (1:123/38) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DGH00002 Date: 12/13/96 From: BONNIE GOODWIN Time: 12:59am \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Out of touch Hi All! For some reason, the system I recieve messages on is having trouble scanning messages out... Geeze, if it ain't the net echomail going down or a local hub being down it's the home system having troubles sending out messages or this system loosing them. I hate Fidonet sometimes! Anyway, now that this has been discovered, I will make sure that the messages from the other system get posted over here so they may finally get to you all, even if they are antiques by now, that is if there's no more leaks between here and there. Sheesh!! Bonnie *:> --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: Omni - (916) 388-0905, longest running Sac BBS (1:203/3333) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DGI00000 Date: 12/13/96 From: JOHN ALLEN Time: 12:40pm \/To: STEVE MCCOIN (Read 2 times) Subj: Legacy Sig IIIs & Bi Wire I too am building up my war chest for new amps. I am torn between the Legacy and Sumo. I would like someday to get up into the Sonic Frontiers, Bryston or Conrad Johnson areas, but that is still far too expensive. But from the two people I have spoken to who have owned Legacy main two channel amps, they wouldn't trade them for any of the above. Several months ago I had the chance to listen to a system being pushed by a Sumo Andramada(sp?). Wow!!! Power and Reserve galore, yet a sweet sound that left a great impression. None of the brassie over shaprness of many of the solid states. Just a very smoothe progression of power without effort. So far, everyone who has spoken about the Legacy has said the same of it. And, I have all the confidence in the world in Bill Duddleston. If he builds it, I'll more than likely buy it. I guess that is about as high a compliment as I can muster. Come to think of it I first sought out a Sumo to listen to after reading an article in one of Legacy's very first catalogs. Hmmmmm. As far as bi-wiring goes, you will hear a lot of people who will argue that given sufficient wiring from the amp to the speakers, bi-wiring will accomplish nothing. I have experimented with it. With my standard original issue Monster speaker cable I could hear no significant difference. But when I moved up to better wires, there was indeed a difference well worth the price for me. I later went to bi-amping as I had an extra amp just sitting in the rack. That too made a difference but was difficult for me to get balanced out as the matching amps (Carver TFM 35s) had two channel gain controls on each amp. I decided I would be better off with one better quality amp and bi-wiring. The best service I have had for mail order, cables included, is Audio Advisor. I have been ordering from them for a couple years and have never had a bit of trouble. Kiefs out of California beats AAs prices by an average of 20%, and they too have an excellent reputation. But I have only ordered from them once. I am very impressed with the Tara Labs Prime 1000 RSC cables. The head of Tara is a bit excentric and comes across with a bit of an ego, but his RSC cabling is really great! I read about them then asked for comments from the High End Audio Newsgroup on the internet. Within two days I had about twenty people send E-Mail filled with really glowing reports about the RSC technology. They are a bit more than Monster Cable or Zip cord, but I figured if I could spend a bazillion dollars on the rest of the system I should pop for a couple hundred for single cable bi-wire. They sound great! And, I am not one for tweaks and miracle add-ons like green CD Edge Paint, or wooden disks to balance on the tops of my speakers. I am still trying to figure out the fellow from Purist Audio Designs (PAD) who fills some of his cables with water, and pumps light through others and charges several thousand dollars to do so. I guess someone is buying them or he wouldn't still be advertising all over the place. Cheers, John www.grump@netzone.com --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: The Union Jack BBS, Phoenix, AZ, USA. 602-274-9921 (1:114/260)