--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DFJ00006 Date: 11/11/96 From: MATT ION Time: 04:20pm \/To: JAMIE HOWARTH (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: House Speakers In Cars And so it came to pass, on 11-03-96 14:45, that Jamie Howarth spake unto Matt Ion: JH> Ahh, okay, I've kinda turned off that track now, finding you can JH> get a pair of 300w speakers for around $90 new, you reckon that's a JH> good price?? Umm... no. First of all, about the only drivers you'll find for the car that are rated at 300W or more, are subwoofers. Keep in mind that the power rating of speakers means NOTHING except as an indicator of how much power they'll handle (or more specifically, how much heat they'll dissipate). The amount of power you actually crank into them will depend on the output of the amp driving them, and a myriad of other design factors that affect power output and how it's measured. Secondly, you won't likely find "good" speakers for $90, period. JH> where's the best place to buy that kinda stuff around melb area you JH> reckon??? Just I love music, rap music, need good bassy speakers JH> for my car. You want that kind of bass, you have two choices: spend several hundred dollars to do it right the first time, or spend about a hundred for a cheap amp and cheap subs in a cheap box, and then replace blown drivers on a regular basis. JH> You sound like you know what you're on about, what type of JH> setup/price would you suggest?? where should I buy from? Seeing as I'm in Canada and you're in Australia, I can't really recommend a PLACE. I would recommend checking your local yellow pages for car audio specialty shops (not those "electronics superstore" dumps) and talk to a salesman *and an installer* about designing a proper system *for your car*. ------------------------------------------- Love, luck, and lollipops... Matt --- Sqed/32 1.10/unreg * Origin: la Point Strangiato... (1:153/7040.106) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DFJ00007 Date: 11/11/96 From: JOHN BOYD Time: 12:52am \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Nad 3020 Since someone else brought the subject up (and to get a little mail to see if my connection is working): Anybody gotta NAD 3020 they wanna part with, real cheap? I wanna use it to power a small system sitting on the shelf over my 'puter, and will be using it to help with computer sounds, such as in DooM, and other games. Otherwise I gotta build an amp w/switches from scratch, and that may take forever due to scheduling and other priorities. Please let me know. J.B./2 * SLMR 2.1a * "We are Windows '95 of Borg, you will be..."...... --- InterEcho 1.19 * Origin: Zack's Shack (1:3611/18) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DFJ00008 Date: 11/07/96 From: WES MARSHALL Time: 11:02pm \/To: HANK DRES (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Lost in Space HD> Look Wes, if we are going to chat again we need to figure out a HD> betterway to do it. For the time being how about continuing our HD> pact not toattack each other. See ya. Sure, hank, no problem....we need a name...knight will be an evil enemy.. --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: COLUMBIA SPITFIRE * Dallas, Texas * (214-275-5040) (1:124/3271) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DFJ00009 Date: 11/03/96 From: JAMIE HOWARTH Time: 02:45pm \/To: MATT ION (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: House Speakers In Cars Hi! MI> It'll sound like crap, trust me. The drivers are designed for MI> different purposes, different environments, and different types of MI> enclosures. In a house, speakers are in a relatively clean, MI> atmosphere-controlled, solid environment. In the car, there's all MI> manner of road dust filtering in (worse in some areas in the summer), MI> the temperature can vary widely (where I grew up, it could be anywhere MI> from -40C in the dead of winter, to well over 40C in the car in the MI> summer when it's parked with the windows up), and they're being MI> bounced, shaken and beaten constantly when the car is in motion. MI> Also, home speaker drivers are typically designed with a nominal MI> eight-ohm impedance, while car speakers generally sport a nominal MI> four-ohm impedance, which doubles the amount of power they can draw MI> from an amp. You'll lose a lot of level with home speakers in the MI> car, Ahh, okay, I've kinda turned off that track now, finding you can get a pair of 300w speakers for around $90 new, you reckon that's a good price?? where's the best place to buy that kinda stuff around melb area you reckon??? Just I love music, rap music, need good bassy speakers for my car. You sound like you know what you're on about, what type of setup/price would you suggest?? where should I buy from? Thanks for your help! -=[ ReX!, King of rhyme ]=- --- Ezycom V1.20 01fa00da * Origin: --=[ THE REX BBS! ]=-- --=[ (059) 76-2142 ]=-- (3:638/106) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DFJ00010 Date: 11/10/96 From: GORDON GILBERT Time: 01:09pm \/To: T OWEN (Read 2 times) Subj: RE: SUBS > Why would you want to damp the back wall? Certainly the wall behind > the cabinets should be as dead as possible, but damping the back Whoops, I meant the front wall. I keep thinking of the front wall as the "back" wall because it's in back of the speakers. I usually think of and refer to the real "back" wall as the rear wall. No, I don't plan to dampen it. I plan to dampen the front wall in BACK of the speakers. >GG> The Definitive Sub is worse yet at around 100 lbs. >GG> Fortunately, I didn't have to move it around much. > > A single sub that weighs 100 Lbs? That's pretty light. Each of my > home subs weighs over 185 Lbs. Light? What size are your subs and what's in them? Lead shot? I'm talking about a 250 watt 15" sub with a monocoque cabinet. It's not big enough to weigh more without just loading dead weight into it. It was just "light" enough for me lift it across the house by myself without breaking my back. Weighing more doesn't automatically help the sound. It's not like the cabinet is making noises. In fact, the driver should be as light and stiff as possible. Extra weight is usually the result of either the amplifier in active subs or the cabinet and dampening materials therein. > 1200 watts into 2 ohms? The damping factor would suffer at 2 ohms. > I never load my amps at home lower than 8 ohms, because the damping > factor falls off sharply below 8 ohms, although the amps are rated > for 2 ohm loads. So you don't consider speakers that have impedances below 8 ohms? You must not have had a very big selection to choose from as I know of hardly any good speakers that don't dip below 8 ohms at some point on the curve. I don't believe there are *any* electrostatics that are rated any higher than 6 ohms average, for instance. I also don't think the damping factor of the Sunfire is a problem. It's output impedance is almost zero. > If you want state of the art, stay clear of CDs. 16 bit wordlength > and low sampling frequencies just don't cut it for anything above > about 4Khz. As Stewart Pinkerton would put it, this is utter rubbish. The LP has an equivalent resolution of 12-bit digital and is completely and unequivocally INFERIOR in terms of ACCURACY to the CD. There is nothing wrong with the current red book CD format. Bad sounding CDs are the result of poor mixing and mastering by individual recording engineers. In fact, if you replaced the word LP for CD in your statement above, you would be much closer to a true statement. Increasing the word length only gives you greater dynamic range (of which the CD is FAR superior to the LP already) and increasing the sampling rate would only get you response in an area in which humans can't even hear. Distortion, wow & flutter; these are both lower in the CD. Error correction (the LP has NONE). Robustness of the format. The CD wins hands down. Some people do prefer the DISTORTIONS of the LP, but they are just that, distortions and are not present in the original signal, let alone the original event. If you prefer LPs to CDs, fine, but it has nothing to do with problems of the current CD format in high frequencies. >GG> Well, Carver amps are voiced and TFM modified to sound like >GG> Bob's Silver Seven tubes. While I haven't heard *those*, I don't >GG> doubt the TFM series sound a little different than a >GG> solid-state-as-you-can-get Bryston. > > This is true; nothing that Carver makes can come close to the sound > of the Brystons. The only thing that beats a Bryston is an FM > Acoustics, but who can afford those beauties? Once again, you state an opinion I do not share. My final comparison of choice in my speakers came down to Martin Logans and Carver AL-IIIs. It just so happens that the Martin Logan Sequel IIs in question were powered by Bryston equipment. Both the amp and the speakers cost more than my AL-IIIs or TFM-35x. Funny how it didn't sound better. As for FM Acoustics, what the heck is that? The *only* thing that can beat a Bryston? I guess you haven't listened to a Krell lately. >GG> The Sonic Holography is incredible. > > That technique has been around for decades; modern techniques are > far more convincing. And what modern techniques are you referring to and why does no high end equipment feature it? Please be specific as to what models and what processing there is that I can buy that is more convincing. As for being around for decades. This is irrelevant. Tube amps have been around far longer and high end audiophiles still buy them. Sonic Holography eliminates interchannel crosstalk, a serious flaw in stereo. It does nothing else. It RESTORES the sound stage; it doesn't FAKE it like most of the "modern" processing methods (Q-Sound, SRS, spatializer, etc,) and unlike all of those it doesn't play with the phase of the signal. As long as the current two channel format is around, it will serve a valid function. Gimmicky processing methods come and go, but none of them address this basic problem with stereo sources (using more than 1 channel to reproduce a mono event/instrument). --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: CanCom TBBS - Canton, OH (1:157/629) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DFJ00011 Date: 11/11/96 From: WILL THOMPSON Time: 07:11pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Stereo 4 Sale * Crossposted from: BarterTown - Buy, Swap, & Sell Echo Stereo System for Sale: System: -Teac AG-V1050 Audio/Video Stereo Receiver, full featured with Surround Sound, 200 watts rms, full featured remote, etc. - Denon DCM-444 6 Disc CD changer, full featured remote, etc. - KLH 3 piece speaker system w/subwoofer & shielded speakers, and Kenwood rear speakers. - To many features to list, call for more info. - All wires, cables and ready to go. Excellent home system, awesome computer system! Pretty new & clean, combined value, over $1200! Sell for only $350. Option #1: -Substitute another KLH 3 piece speaker system for the Kenwood's, 4 speakers and 2 subwoofers total for an extra $50 (Only with system purchase!) Option #2: -Add a Hughes AK-500 Sound Retriever System. Audiophile unit hooks to receivers, separates, TV/VCR, computer speakers, & produces 3-D Theater like sound from only 2 speakers, Think what it'll do with 6! Many options, very clean, $50 with system, $75 separately. Shipping not included. ... Will Thompson, (520) 298-5053, 9am-8pm, Tucson, AZ time ... InterNet: eb53112@goodnet.com -or- ckc@gas.uug.arizona.edu --- * Origin: The Home Remote Comm Sys, Tucson, AZ, USA 1-520-292-0997 1:300/25) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DFJ00012 Date: 11/11/96 From: WILL THOMPSON Time: 07:20pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Computer Speakers * Crossposted from: Tucson For Sale Echo Computer Speaker System for Sale: - KLH 3 piece speaker system w/subwoofer & shielded speakers. Connect to sound card amplified output -or- line out for great sound from your computer! Ground shaking subwoofer for games, sounds great for music, .AVI clips, etc. Shielded speakers can be placed by moniter, wall mounted, etc. Wiring included, $75 OBO Shipping not included. ... Will Thompson, (520) 298-5053, 9am-8pm, Tucson, AZ time ... InterNet: eb53112@goodnet.com -or- ckc@gas.uug.arizona.edu --- * Origin: The Home Remote Comm Sys, Tucson, AZ, USA 1-520-292-0997 1:300/25) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DFK00000 Date: 11/13/96 From: GARTH ROBINSON Time: 04:48pm \/To: SEAN DUNBAR (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: LOUD! or what? Regurgitating what Sean Dunbar said to Garth Robinson on 11-08-96 20:27 Gidday Sean.... GR> system that could produce inaccess of 125db of sound, (sound??? SD> 125db really isn't that much in car audio competition. There's some SD> vehicles here in the US that can hit 155db and higher. I'm guessing 155db Ooh! I couldn't tolerate that level, especially in a car, I think I'd rather stuff my head up the exhaust of a Boeing jet. |-} I work with my own PA systems and I have put a 130db@1Khz@1 metre ceiling on the amp(s) that I use. I would not like to think or accept responsibility for someones hearing impairment. Personally I start to feel pain at around 126-128db, especially if it is mainly mid to high frequencies. SD> have nearly as much money into it as he does (2 amps, 2 8" bass tubes, SD> 2 6.5" mids, 2 1" tweets.. about $1500/US). Ohh, just standard Honda civic specs huh?! ;-) GR> injurious to ones health. Not only to the ears but other vital organs. SD> 125db? Ears, yes, if exposed to those levels for extended amounts of SD> times. Organs? I seriously doubt it. I get one hell of a back According to some expert or another on the same TV program, made a point of the fact that internal organ damage could occur at the close proximities. Personally I feel there may be some merit to this. Didn't the Germans play around with low frequency horns during WW2, apparently a frequency of around 7Hz has pretty nasty effects on the body. Is this the bodies resonant frequency, maybe? If this were the case then surely harmonics of this could be injurious? SD> massage when I drive my vehicle (a pickup truck with the tubes behind SD> the seat) though :-). Nah, I prefer my massages to come attached to a sweet topless blonde. ;-) SD> leaks. Probably partly because I've fixed all the rattles that I could SD> hear with the bass (in a truck, especially one as old as mine [1980], SD> there's usually lots). Its gotta be a Chev, right? ;-) CFN, Garth, Sheryl & Amber,.... Dougals understudy! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: === NZMC Maxie BBS. Ak, NZ +64 9 444-0989 === (3:772/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DFK00001 Date: 11/13/96 From: GARTH ROBINSON Time: 05:12pm \/To: ADAM PREBLE (Read 2 times) Subj: Speakers for computer.. Regurgitating what Adam Preble said to All on 11-08-96 23:45 Gidday Adam.... AP> Anybody know what I should be looking for in quality computer AP> speakers? Not only do I want them to be able to sound my games Ever thought about using a mini/midi stereo system and connecting the sound card to that? Mine soundz terrific!!!! CFN, Garth & Co. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: === NZMC Maxie BBS. Ak, NZ +64 9 444-0989 === (3:772/1)