--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DC500003 Date: 08/04/96 From: BONNIE GOODWIN Time: 12:33pm \/To: PHIL ROBERTS (Read 2 times) Subj: CD via RF modulator? Hi Phil! -> I've seen CD players for cars that can be installed with an RF -> modulator. This means they are able to transmit FM to an existing FM -> stereo radio. Might be a good compromise between installing a whole new head unit and the portability between vehicles that have FM radios. You do realize the compromises involved in dynamic range and noise, but for the noise levels involved in most cars, it should not be a big deal. I'm not sure if it is just a small transmitter or if there is a loo p (like there used to be on some AM style units) but antenna should be fairly short, and shouldn't need any direct connection. Bonnie *:> --- QScan/PCB v1.18b / 01-0249 * Origin: The Capitol City Gateway, Since Dec 1979, 916-381-8788 (1:203/909) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DC500004 Date: 08/04/96 From: BONNIE GOODWIN Time: 12:38pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: NEWLY REVISED AUDIO POLICY 12:38:0008/04/96 Welcome to the International Fido-Net AUDIO echo! We hope you enjoy this echo and visit us often. Some guidelines on this echo follow: *- PURPOSE -* The AUDIO echo is a topic limited message area intended to provide a place for general discussion of sound, audio and acoustics except as noted below including hi-fi, stereo, walkmans, sound synthesis, and audio for film/video, pro audio, sound reinforcement, recording, broadcasting as it applies to consumers. EXCEPTIONS AND LIMITATIONS: A. Any topic that does not fall within the PURPOSE as stated above is deemed off-topic and should not be posted in the AUDIO echo. 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SANITY CLAUSE: Don't you know yet that there ain't no Sanity Clause??? HOW TO REACH THE MODERATOR Call (916)483-8624 VOICE (8AM-9PM PST). I can also be reached at Fido 1:203/909 or Internet at Bonnie.Goodwin@Cap-City-Gateway.COM Bonnie Goodwin Moderator - AUDIO Now, let's all get back to discussing AUDIO!! --- QScan/PCB v1.18b / 01-0249 * Origin: The Capitol City Gateway, Since Dec 1979, 916-381-8788 (1:203/909) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DC500005 Date: 08/04/96 From: JOHN BOYD Time: 05:58pm \/To: BONNIE GOODWIN (Read 2 times) Subj: Car audio echo BG>Hi All! BG> I have just sent off messages to REC10 and REC11 asking that they add BG>CAR_AUDIO to the backbone Elist, BG> Hopefully, shortly we will have that echo listed, and this debate will be BG>over. In anticipation of this happening, I'm notifying all in the echo hat BG>soon as I see this echo Elisted, all car audio discussion will be asked to g BG>there for further discussion, BG> I wish to thank those of you that had been conversing on that subject here, BG>and further debate on the suitability will be a moot point. Until BG> CAR_AUDIO gets established and you convince your sysops to pick up BG> that echo, I will allow discussion on that topic here until Sept 1, 1996 at BG>which time it will be off topic here. Does that mean I have to start participating again? :*) J.B./2 * SLMR 2.1a * "We are Windows '95 of Borg, you will be..."...... --- InterEcho 1.19 * Origin: Zack's Shack (1:3611/18) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DC500006 Date: 08/04/96 From: JOHN BOYD Time: 05:58pm \/To: TOM MOORE (Read 2 times) Subj: Getting there? TM>Hello. I wonder if my FIDO mailer is hosed once again? Had some interestin TM>discussions going here and all of a sudden - ZAP - nothing happening. I hav TM>received no mail for quite a while now. Seems my FIDO stuff is filtering ma TM>to ME! Anyone? Rec'd in Macon -By Gawd- Georgia, 08/03/96. Rep'd & sent back to ya 08/04/96 J.B./2 * SLMR 2.1a * "We are Windows '95 of Borg, you will be..."...... --- InterEcho 1.19 * Origin: Zack's Shack (1:3611/18) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DC500007 Date: 08/03/96 From: BONNIE GOODWIN Time: 09:54pm \/To: GARTH ROBINSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Just an analogy (wuz car Hi Garth! GR> Gidday Bonnie, GR> long time no see. how the heck are ya? Doing pretty good, especially now that you all are back with us again NZ! GR> We, here in little ol' N.Z. (where?) have recently got US_Audio back GR> on line, so now I have to sit-up straight at my PC. ;-) Haha! I slump at the computer most of the time.. Relax a little. Great to see you back, was wondering what happened to you. Bonnie *:> --- QScan/PCB v1.18b / 01-0249 * Origin: The Capitol City Gateway, Since Dec 1979, 916-381-8788 (1:203/909) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DC500008 Date: 08/03/96 From: BONNIE GOODWIN Time: 09:58pm \/To: DON GUY (Read 2 times) Subj: Lousy live sound Hi Don! DG> procedure QuotedReply (Bonnie: recipient); DG> var DG> Bonnie, Cameron: characters; DG> begin DG> end; You've got to cut down on that Pascal programming a bit!! >BG> The EQ curves are all "disco" curve smiley faces.. lots of sizzle >BG> from the top, and lots of boom, and nothing else. DG> It probably sounded normal to them, after losing their hearing at DG> either end of the spectrum. I think it comes from too much misuse of the "Loudness" control, which is intended to compensate for tonal quality at low volumes (Fletcher- Munson curve)not at loud volumes. They get used to it. DG> The fellow running the mixing board had the highs jacked up far DG> enough that I had trouble hearing much other than the cymbals &c. DG> Though it probably sounded just fine to him The mix position was probably in a lousy location, and the guy didn't have a clue as to what it really sounded like in the "listening" position of the audience (that's what counts). Chances are though, you are right that he has some hearing loss being around that environment long enough. DG> [snort] And people wonder why I wear earplugs to concerts/clubs... Know what you mean! Bonnie *:> PRACTICE SAFE SOUND - For more information on protecting your hearing call: HIP-Hearing Is Priceless, by the House Ear Institute (213)483-4431 or write for Free Ear Filters to 2100 W. Third St, Los Angeles, CA 90057 --- QScan/PCB v1.18b / 01-0249 * Origin: The Capitol City Gateway, Since Dec 1979, 916-381-8788 (1:203/909) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DC500009 Date: 08/03/96 From: BONNIE GOODWIN Time: 10:03pm \/To: DREW HOHMANN (Read 2 times) Subj: Impedances and Headphones Hi Drew! DH> Enough arguing!!! So lets talk about some real audio. Oh man! You're no fun at all. Oh OK, if you want to talk some serious shop, here goes.. You were asking (while I was distracted bickering): DH> It's widely known that running amplifiers below certain load DH> levels (usually 4 ohms), the amplifier has less and less control DH> over the speaker movement, causing distortion. This is mostly DH> seen in groups of subs wired in parallel, down to an ohm or so. I don't believe that is actually true, but often it results in distortion, since the amp is working much harder at a lower impedance, often exceeding the capabilities of the amp, which was why you made the observation above. Actually, damping factor (control over the speaker in essense) increases the lower the impedance. This is a good thing for subs, as the amp is able to dump more power to the speakers and have better control. The difficulty is that most amps aren't designed to work lower than about 4 ohms, and below two ohms, it starts to look more and more like a direct short to the amp. I don't like to see amps run under 2 ohms. The reason is that most amps are just not stable enough to handle it, the reason why electrostatic speakers are so hard to work with most of the time. DH> Also, I'm off to college in less than a month, and I've been DH> debating what's better in a dorm room. The Seinheisser (I can DH> never spell) That's alright, I figured it out all by myself, not like some who can't figure something out unless it is EXACTLY correct. DH> HD 580's are a sweet pair of headphones, but when I read the DH> review in Audio (or was it Stereo Review?) about the NHT DH> SuperOne speakers, I started drooling. Nice review, eh? What they sound like is far more important than ANY review. Having been in a similar situation a number of years back, I got a primo set of headphones first since one can always listen at the level that is right for you. I'm not familar with the pieces you mentioned, but Sennheiser (I looked it up) are often "open air" kinds that allow to hear some of the room sound and would be better for most uses. I like closed cans in the studio, but for most everything else I liked the open air kinds, since I think I hear things in the room like doorbells, ringing telephones, people sneaking up on you and such. You also don't need an amp and won't bother roommates, neighbors, when you want to listen to tunes anytime. So get good headsets first is my advice to you. I use AKG-240's as my best headphones, and have a few Rat Shack el cheapos, and a set of Yamaha R5M's are in the mail to me for evaluating their new digital mixer line for pro audio (nice stuff but never heard the headphones before! Will give you a review when they get here). If you have lots left over, then the amp and speakers would be nice, but you'll get the highest quality sound with the headphones. Besides you might need the money for your education! I sure did! Bonnie *:> PRACTICE SAFE SOUND - For more information on protecting your hearing call:HIP-Hearing Is Priceless, by the House Ear Institute (213)483-4431 Write for Free Ear Filters to 2100 W. Third St, Los Angeles, CA 90057 --- QScan/PCB v1.18b / 01-0249 * Origin: The Capitol City Gateway, Since Dec 1979, 916-381-8788 (1:203/909) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DC500010 Date: 08/04/96 From: BONNIE GOODWIN Time: 12:02pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: AUDIO POLICY CHANGE As of 8/4/96 the BACKSTAT and BACKBONE.NA Fidonet backbone adminstrative files have indicated that the CAR_AUDIO echo is now officially a backbone echo. That makes discussion of auto sound in this echo a duplication of echo coverage and is now off topic here, regardless of what some may feel is personal feelings of the participants in this echo. If you are interested in this subject, please take it to CAR_AUDIO where discussion will be welcome. Ask your sysop (or hub if you are a sysop) to request, carry and/or distribute CAR_AUDIO. I will allow discussion of that topic to conclude here until Sept. 1, 1996 to give a little time for distribution of CAR_AUDIO to get going without abruptly shutting all of you off, but after this time, I will be writing "off topic" messages to any auto sound messaging here. Other topic areas that you may find interesting that is related include: BROADCASTING - Karoake and Disco folks might want to check this out as well as those interested in AM/FM/TV operations as well as here. PRO_AUDIO - Professional Audio, Recording Studios, Concert Sound, Installed systems, etc. We will continue to look at the consumer side of the recording and concert sound industries here, especially recording, as nearly everything we listen to is made in studios, and can influence what we are hearing on the media we buy. Further discussion of why auto sound can't be here is moot and is off topic. Further bickering between factions will no longer be tolerated, nor is necessary. Any other comments on this topic should not be posted to the echo, address them via netmail to me or send them along with further flaming to the bitbucket. Finally, I'd like to thank all of those interested in auto sound that have been involved in the discussions here for being a part of this echo, and I hope that you will continue to visit and participate here about general (non-auto) audio discussions. Also, thanks for the restraint that most of the long time AUDIO participants have shown when things got heated. Thank you! Bonnie Goodwin Moderator-AUDIO --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: Omni - (916) 388-0905, longest running Sac BBS (1:203/3333) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DC500011 Date: 08/04/96 From: BONNIE GOODWIN Time: 04:35pm \/To: MATT WALKER (Read 2 times) Subj: What I've seen here Hi Matt! Now that there is a CAR_AUDIO echo, it's a moot point, but PLEASE!!!! let me handle the moderating here (not just singling you out but hoping that everyone else is reading this,too!). We should be back to normal soon. Bonnie *:> --- QScan/PCB v1.18b / 01-0249 * Origin: The Capitol City Gateway, Since Dec 1979, 916-381-8788 (1:203/909) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: DC500012 Date: 08/04/96 From: TOM MOORE Time: 10:26pm \/To: BONNIE GOODWIN (Read 2 times) Subj: GETTING THERE? > Hi Tom, > > You're getting here just fine. > > Bonnie *:> What a relief - I am only being ignored. Whew! I think my FIDO feed was having some difficulties as I had several users complain about missing mail. I wonder what I might have missed? Tom --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Gator Gulch BBS - Beverly Hills, FL V.34 352/746-6542 (1:3653/42)