--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: D5P00010 Date: 05/10/96 From: VLADIMIR KOPTEV Time: 06:33pm \/To: GORDON GILBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: GOOD SOUND FOR CHEAP?.. apex!apexua!f200.n464!f400.n5020!f35.n5020!f144.n5020!f204.n5020!f115.n5020!no t-for-mail Hello, Gordon! Gordon Gilbert wrote to Vladimir Koptev, 02 May 96 14:20: >> The room is long and narrow with the window on the one end and the >> door on the other. So my loudspeakers placed close to the wall >> (approx. 10 cm). The distance between me and the speakers about >> 1,5-1,8 meters. Subwoower is placed on the floor between speakers. >> I find that the sound of such placing is the most realistic. The >> installation guide recommends the same positioning for the best >> results. GG> Hmmmm, you might try placing that sub in the front corner. You GG> will get significantly more bass reinforcement (3-5dB or so) Yes, I know it, but all corners in my room occupied with furniture, and there is no any suitable rearrangement for it without throwing away one of the bookcases... GG> than in the middle and standing waves are less likely to develop. GG> However, you'll have to crossover at about 80Hz or less in order to GG> assure lack of directionality from the sub. I have mine crossed at GG> just below 80Hz in the corner and at least for my room, the bass is GG> smooth and largely free of standing waves. It seemes that standing waves are tied mostly with my room's acoustics and furniture. There's one point in room where standing waves can be heared, and position of this point is not depend of sub's placement. >> JA> What type of listening do you do the most of? Classical? >> >> No, I'm not so strong... ;-) Maybe, in the future... But I like >> experiments like Deep Purple's Concerto for group and Orchestra. GG> I'll tell you what, I was never into Classical in the past, but GG> once I discovered Japanese Anime Soundtracks, I changed my mind. Is it music from animated cartoons? GG> They're not "traditional" classical. "Orchestral" would be more the GG> word. But it's the difference between night and day. I like many of GG> these discs better than Pink Floyd now even (my favorite rock group). Pink Floyd is my favorite group, too! All discs before Roger Waters's departure. >> JA> How much are CDs there in Moscow? >> >> 15 to 17 dollars for american CDs, or 11-13 for european ones >> (mostly France and Germany). Audiophile "Golden" CDs by Mobile >> Fidelity Labs are $25. GG> Sounds pretty much the same as U.S. retail store prices. Well, I told aboud prices in big stores like "Classic" or "Purple Legion". But you can easily find CD for $20 Moreover, this CD would be without plastic packet and hologram strip. With the "Nice Price" label. ;-) It may be even second-hand. With best regards, Vladimir --- GoldEd 2.50 * Origin: Silent All These Years (2:5020/115.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: D5P00011 Date: 05/11/96 From: VLADIMIR KOPTEV Time: 07:52pm \/To: GORDON GILBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: GOOD SOUND FOR CHEAP?.. apex!apexua!f200.n464!f400.n5020!f35.n5020!f144.n5020!f204.n5020!f115.n5020!no t-for-mail Hello, Gordon! Gordon Gilbert wrote to Vladimir Koptev, 02 May 96 14:20: >> The room is long and narrow with the window on the one end and the >> door on the other. So my loudspeakers placed close to the wall >> (approx. 10 cm). The distance between me and the speakers about >> 1,5-1,8 meters. Subwoower is placed on the floor between speakers. >> I find that the sound of such placing is the most realistic. The >> installation guide recommends the same positioning for the best >> results. GG> Hmmmm, you might try placing that sub in the front corner. You GG> will get significantly more bass reinforcement (3-5dB or so) Yes, I know it, but all corners in my room occupied with furniture, and there is no any suitable rearrangement for it without throwing away one of the bookcases... GG> than in the middle and standing waves are less likely to develop. GG> However, you'll have to crossover at about 80Hz or less in order to GG> assure lack of directionality from the sub. I have mine crossed at GG> just below 80Hz in the corner and at least for my room, the bass is GG> smooth and largely free of standing waves. It seemes that standing waves are tied mostly with my room's acoustics and furniture. There's one point in room where standing waves can be heared, and position of this point is not depend of sub's placement. >> JA> What type of listening do you do the most of? Classical? >> >> No, I'm not so strong... ;-) Maybe, in the future... But I like >> experiments like Deep Purple's Concerto for group and Orchestra. GG> I'll tell you what, I was never into Classical in the past, but GG> once I discovered Japanese Anime Soundtracks, I changed my mind. Is it music from animated cartoons? GG> They're not "traditional" classical. "Orchestral" would be more the GG> word. But it's the difference between night and day. I like many of GG> these discs better than Pink Floyd now even (my favorite rock group). Pink Floyd is my favorite group, too! All discs before Roger Waters's departure. >> JA> How much are CDs there in Moscow? >> >> 15 to 17 dollars for american CDs, or 11-13 for european ones >> (mostly France and Germany). Audiophile "Golden" CDs by Mobile >> Fidelity Labs are $25. GG> Sounds pretty much the same as U.S. retail store prices. Well, I told aboud prices in big stores like "Classic" or "Purple Legion". But you can easily find CD for $20 Moreover, this CD would be without plastic packet and hologram strip. With the "Nice Price" label. ;-) It may be even second-hand. With best regards, Vladimir --- GoldEd 2.50 * Origin: Silent All These Years (2:5020/115.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: D5P00012 Date: 05/11/96 From: VLADIMIR KOPTEV Time: 07:51pm \/To: JOHN ALLEN (Read 1 times) Subj: Good sound for cheap?.. apex!apexua!f200.n464!f400.n5020!f35.n5020!f144.n5020!f204.n5020!f115.n5020!no t-for-mail Hello, John! John Allen wrote to Vladimir Koptev, 02 May 96 11:06: JA>Next to that I am told that books in a bookcase do just as well. My bookcase has glass doors. I can hear no differehce in sound if the doors are removed or left in the bookcase. JA> One other thing I strongly suggest is treating the face of your JA> speaker itself. Remove your grills and cover the face of your JA> speakers with thick felt. You can make this either a temporary JA> installation by using one of the newer removable adhensives that does JA> not damage hard surfaces, or you can install it with regular JA> adhesive. The material sould not cover, nor extend out into the room JA> beyond the edge of the speaker driver. This will absord and or slow JA> down the near field reflections you expereince from higher JA> frequencies. I would believe this would be especially JA> true at closer listening positions. I saw similar felt covers on the face of Spica TC-60 loudspeakers at the Purple Legion store. I would try to do the same with KEF Coda, but I want to say that KEF did something in that way already. The face of Coda 7 is not flat - it has a special relief to reduce near field reflections and interference. Removing of grills are not recommended by KEF. Maybe the grills are the parts of "High Resolution System". But if I get some felt, I would try... JA> Although I keep my eyes open all the time for Chinese and JA> Bulgarian pirates, here in the Arizona desert, I have yet to see any, JA> or find any of their cheap CD copies. No surprise - any of pirate copies are prohibited and a salesman with such CDs would be arrested immediately there in USA. Maybe, right at the custom house... But here in Moscow is another situation. Municipal government has more serious problems than watching the execution of the copyright law. JA> But it sounds like your prices aren't much more than ours!!! The JA> average CD here is $10 to $12 dollars (US) in the stores with some of JA> the newest CDs in high demand selling for up to $17. Well, this prices are prices of large specialized stores with direct supply from the USA like Purple Legion. You can find easily more expensive CDs... Like $20 or even $25... The same CDs like in the Purple Legion. JA> In addition to having several stores nearby, you can order any CD JA> through these outlets if you want to wait a couple days. I've tried ordering - once. No reply... Almost half a year. JA> Early Deep Purple from the very late 1960s/early 1970s is one of JA> my favorite rock groups. Rod Evans or Ian Gillan, whom do you prefer? I like Rod Evans. JA> Pink Floyd, Steppenwolf(Magic Carpet Ride), The Rolling Stones, and JA> Z.Z.Top are some of my others. OK, the right choice! ;-) JA> Check in on http://www.sdinfo.com if you have a chance. It is an JA> online electronic audio magazine of excellent quality....and it is JA> free. I've visited this site and subscibed already... Now waiting for the first article. With best regards, Vladimir --- GoldEd 2.50 * Origin: Silent All These Years (2:5020/115.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: D5P00013 Date: 05/11/96 From: DREW HOHMANN Time: 08:19am \/To: JOHN ALLEN (Read 1 times) Subj: HVCD subs? -> I wonder why Polk would encourage us to try building our own -> HVCD sub by selling us a computer program to do the math and a -> listing of parts suppliers with plans? Sounds too good to be true. I -> read the article last night and spent some time playing with some -> numbers myself. I would love to give it a shot and will if nothing -> else...order the kit Polk offers. Well, it's great advertising for them. Also, when I called them, I found out that Polk will sell you the drivers, not some other supplier. The drivers are custom built for Polk, so it would probably cost a lot more to get them somewhere's else. Most people won't attempt building the sub, but I do expect quite a few people to order the plans. Than if they decide not too build it, for whatever reason, but still need a sub, Polk is almost garaunteed their business. Even people who just read it and come away impressed with the new design, are much more likely to buy Polk. -> It still isn't clear to me just how much of this is Polks' -> intellectual find/property, and what has been with us for a while and -> Polk refined. No matter, it presents an excellent opportunity for a -> class project. Thanks for calling it to my attention! Do you plan on -> building one? I'm sending away for the kit, and as long as I think it's a doable project for me, I'm going to build one with the help of a friend. It should be an interesting project, and if it turns out well, and amazing subwoofer! --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: D5P00014 Date: 05/11/96 From: DREW HOHMANN Time: 08:22am \/To: JOHN BOYD (Read 1 times) Subj: HVCD subs? -> I contacted Polk Audio about building my own HVCD sub, and for -> $10 they send you a computer program to calculate everything, a -> single use license for the technology, and information on where -> you can buy the right drivers and components. -> Do they have a BBS number or an Internet FTP site from whence it -> could be downloaded? Nope, you gotta contact Polk audio. If you get just the program to calculate the design parameters, you probably couldn't build one, because you need the design info on how to build the power port, how the subs are placed, etc. Besides, only Polk sells the right subs for an HVCD enclosure. They're custom made for Polk. --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: D5P00015 Date: 05/11/96 From: DREW HOHMANN Time: 08:51am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Audio Engineers >How many audiophiles does it take to screw in a light bulb? Just one, but the new bulb "blows the old one away." And now we present the r.a.pro lightbulb list.... Q: How many audio engineers does it take to change a lightbulb? A1 What's a lightbulb? A2 It's in the manual. Didn't you _read_ the manual? A3 Three. One to change it, and two to complain about how bad General Electric's customer support is. A4 None. That's what interns are for. A5 If you just turn the other dimmers down a bit, the client won't even notice that the bulb has gone out. A6 There is *NO* scientific difference between your old bulb and the new one, and anyone who tells you otherwise is peddling snake oil. A7 First, the decision as to whether the bulb should be changed. It takes 4 at the minimum. One of whom must have excellent communication skills and will present a paper on the subject for consideration by the AES. The other 3 set up numerous blind looking tests to determine whether or not anyone really will notice the bulb's state as significant. Passing that part of the process, we find that it may be necessary to select the proper replacement. The "1 or 10" rule applies here. Either the engineer is experienced enough to select the right bulb for the job, or it may require 10 engineers to discuss the various options available. No fewer than 3 of these will then review products suitable for the trade magazines while 4 others present discussions of the subject to such venues as regional AES section meetings and rec.audio.pro. The remaining 3 indulge in Internet flame wars blasting the reviews of the first 3. Ideally, a side by side comparison of bulbs will take place. One must consider spectral emissions and footcandle data, measuring all to confirm manufacturers' claims. The type of gas filling the glass bulb and material used for the filament can influence the quality of lamp performance, and the psychological effects of color distribution can... What was the question? A8 Two. One to operate the dimmer and one to say "a little too bright. Turn it down." A9 If you use 110-ohm balanced line in your lamps, you can go for dozens of generations without changing. A10 One, so long as he replaces it with an oxygen-free bulb. A11 First we have to decide if the bulb is wired base-hot, or thread-hot. A12 Well, first we need to evaluate how it will affect the artistic integrity of the piece to be played in the dark or in the light.... A13 Three, if the bulb has poor off-axis response. A14 Lightbulb...??? You're still using those? A15 One, two, one, two...is this thing on? A16 None. That's a job for a video engineer. A17 I don't know, how many engineers did it take at [rival-studio]? A18 None. Since it's analog, leave it broken and replace it with the latest digital bulb from Alesis. A19 None. They'll just fix it in the mix. --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: D5P00016 Date: 05/06/96 From: RAY MARSH Time: 09:04pm \/To: MICHAEL SUHM (Rcvd) (Read 7 times) Subj: Mini disk Greetings... -=> Quoting Dewayne Stuart to Michael Suhm on "Mini disk" <=- -=> Quoting Michael Suhm to Ray Marsh <=- MS> One point that I have been curious about, though I haven't taken the MS> time to try it yet, is what would happen if I record a new track MS> of a longer time length over a shorter track. Will the laser jump MS> to the next open disc sector when it runs out of space from the MS> original track? I see this message of yours was originally addressed to me, yet I didn't receive it. I had a problem when my old BBS closed down and I had to go hunting for another. Sorry I missed that. You haven't kept a copy of that, by any chance? ...from Brisbane, Australia. ... MCMXCVI, annus mirabilis. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Brisbug MIS Brisbane Qld (3:640/829) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: D5P00017 Date: 05/06/96 From: RAY MARSH Time: 09:09pm \/To: DEWAYNE STUART (Read 1 times) Subj: Mini disk Greetings... -=> Quoting Dewayne Stuart to Michael Suhm on "Mini disk" <=- DS> (I have the original portable, as well as the second gen one.. Have DS> used the original in live recording situations, and had good results. DS> Haven't had the opportunity to run the newer one in a live situation DS> yet, it's out on loan... Are you saying there's now a second generation MD? Could you elaborate? ...from Brisbane, Australia. ... Cogito, ergo sum. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Brisbug MIS Brisbane Qld (3:640/829) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: D5P00018 Date: 05/11/96 From: TOM MOORE Time: 08:30am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Test Hello Audio fans. I had to re-install FIDO and am not sure I am getting out. Thought I'd leave some mail here to test. Hope you don't mind. Tom Moore --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Gator Gulch BBS - Beverly Hills, FL V.34 352/746-6542 (1:3653/42) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: D5P00019 Date: 05/11/96 From: SEAN DUNBAR Time: 03:25pm \/To: JOHN ALLEN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Best subs JA> I can't say they "are the best" that are available, but when it comes to JA> bass reproduction and ground shaking bass of any proportion, Cerwin Vega JA> has always given tremendous performance. Since before mobile audio ecame JA> popular, Cerwin Vega has been known in audio circles as one ofthe best JA> there is at any price for sheer bass capabilities. I am sure there are JA> many who have favorites other than these and maybe some can keep up with JA> them. But, I have been building subs for ten years and have never been JA> disappointed with the quality or the bass sound from this particular I've never had a sub in my car (er, truck), so I really haven't heard much of CV equipment.. but yeah, I've heard they're definatly one of the best (if not the best)... who knows, I may wind up replacing all my speakers with Cerwin Vegas (right now I have Alpine coaxial 2 way 6.5" in the doors and Pioneer 'truck riders' behind the seat)... JA> Vega T Shirt and a pair of ear plugs in a container intended to be given JA> your neighbors when they come to complain about the bass. Cheers, John Sean Dunbar [Team OS/2] [sysop@tos.usa.storm.net] "I have the right to choose what I see and read" NOFX - "Vanilla Sex" ... [TE]If you pull the wings off a fly, does it become a walk? --- Telegard v2.99.g4 [ml] * Origin: The Other Side Node 3 / (915) 590-3817 (1:381/95)