--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EBQ00004Date: 07/20/97 From: DENNIS MCCUNNEY Time: 01:06pm \/To: JUSTIN NICHOLSON (Read 0 times) Subj: rock ** From Justin Nicholson to All on 19 Jul 97 00:02:00 ** rock JN> What was the rock like back than was it beeter than the 90's? Er, what have you heard, and what constitutes "better"? The question as stated is so broad as to be unanswerable. Give us an idea of what you like and what you are familiar with, and we might be able to make comments that you'll make sense of. [Email: dmccunney@roper.com] --- * Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: Lunatic Fringe * Richardson,TX * 972-235-5288 * (1:124/2113) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EBQ00005Date: 07/21/97 From: DAVE HUGHES Time: 06:28am \/To: JOHN MCCANN (Read 0 times) Subj: Screaming Lord Sutch DH> How about Screaming Lord Sutch? Who remembers him? JM> Vote Monster Raving Looney!!!!!!!!! Maybe you're too young to remember this guy...he was a British "mod", back in the sixties. Never very famous, but always completely outrageous. Dave --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: The Fireside, Houston, Texas (713)496-6319 (1:106/114) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EBQ00006Date: 07/21/97 From: DAVID MARHEINE Time: 03:18pm \/To: JUSTIN NICHOLSON (Read 0 times) Subj: rock back then --- Sez Justin Nicholson to All --- JN> What was the rock like back than was it beeter than the 90's? Yes, the rock music of my adolescence was better than the 90's. On the other hand, there is a lot MORE music around today, it's just that the most popular stuff isn't very good, and the best stuff isn't very popular. It's been said that the 60's were one of the rare occasions that the best/most innovative/most artistic music was the most popular. This is not strictly true, of course, (a lot of horrible stuff was very popular and some very good music has remained totally obscure) and maybe it wasn't true in the 30's either, but it seems unlikely it'll ever be that true again. People who know lots more than I do have commented on the fragmentation of the music and the audience since the 60's. Kenneth probably has a master's thesis on the subject... But anyway, The music of most peoples' adolescence is better than the music of their 30's and 40's. This seems natural even if it sounds patronizing. Not only do you have more time to listen to it, you've hopefully got a peer group to listen to it with and you're part of a big target demographic that everybody wants to sell music to. I suppose it's sort of cute when some of today's teens become big fans of bands that broke up before they were born (e.g. the Beatles), but in another way it's a little sad. Not that I would argue against appreciating music for its own sake regardless of when it was recorded or by whom or what the singer told an interviewer about Salman Rushie or whatever... It just smacks a bit too much of sucking up to the older generation. It hasn't been very rebellious to be a Paul McCartney fan since at least 1965, but I guess points for nonconformist tendencies are at least possible, especially if such fandom leads to discoveries other than the 20 to 30 year old top 40 songs still in continuous rotation across America... Dave ... Circular Definition: see Definition, Circular. --- * Origin: *YOPS ]I[* 3.1 GIG * RA/FD/FE RADist * Milwaukee, WI (1:154/750) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EBR00000Date: 07/19/97 From: ROBBIE WILSON Time: 05:31am \/To: KENNETH NEWMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Genesis * Replying to a message in : SAVEAREA Hi Kenneth, 15-Jul-97 23:34:11, Kenneth Newman wrote to Robbie Wilson Subject: Genesis RW>> The band were also involved in a lot of internal bickering RW>> during this segment and I think all these factors convinced Peter RW>> to leave. KN> I dunno what it is about prog bands but so many bicker like KN> hell, perhaps because they are such perfectionists. Ian Anderson KN> has some harrowing descriptions of Gentle Giant backstage when they KN> were on tour with Tull. As he says, "they were not happy campers." I think it's a lot to do with egos clashing. Some of my favourite music has been produced by people who couldn't stand the sight of each other - Deep Purple (Gillan vs Blackmore), The Who (Townsend vs Daltrey), Genesis (Banks vs Gabriel), Marillion (Fish vs Pointer). Probably one of the reasons the music is so good is that it has to be accepted by the antagonist though. Also, one of the main reasons for the arguments is that it's the band leader vs the media celeb, and in all cases but one (with one draw), the media celeb has lost out. RW>> Whereas Tony released a single with Fish (`Shortcut To RW>> Somewhere` No 75 for 1 week on the UK chart), and some singles RW>> with Nik Kershaw (early 80's UK pop star) which haven't done RW>> anything. C'est la vie (-; KN> It must burn his butt. He's got the money, his band's a hit, KN> but he's still not a household name. Poor widdle Tony-wony. And KN> then there were two. One to go. Cheers, Kenneth I take it you're not a fan of the ivory tinkler then? Have Fun Robbie email : rgwilson@compura.com .!. NP: Klaus Schulze - Variation on B sharp `Live At RF Hall` --- Terminate 4.00/Pro * Origin: S.o.D. Points have the world at their fingertips (2:259/69.46) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EBR00001Date: 07/21/97 From: BRYAN ERICKSON Time: 06:51pm \/To: DAVE HUGHES (Read 0 times) Subj: Screaming Lord Sutch Re: Screaming Lord Sutch > DH> How about Screaming Lord Sutch? Who remembers him? > JM> Vote Monster Raving Looney!!!!!!!!! > > Maybe you're too young to remember this guy...he was a British "mod", back in > the sixties. Never very famous, but always completely outrageous. Screamin' Jay Hawkins was recording in the 50's. I'm sure you heard I Put A Spell on You from 1957. He was quite outrageous also... he would rise from coffins onstage and was always accompanied by a flaming skull named Henry. It seems he may have been the first "screamer". --- KoZmiK KaTman --- --- VPNET 0.042r * Origin: CyberNation (1:124/8024) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EBR00002Date: 07/21/97 From: CHRIS ROBBINS Time: 11:35am \/To: DAVE HUGHES (Read 0 times) Subj: John Tesh *** Quoting Dave Hughes to George Erdner dated 07-18-97 *** > GE> Maybe it is crap, but it's PROG-ROCK crap! It fits > GE> all the requirements > GE> of all the definitions of Prog-Rock I've ever seen posted. > > Interesting point! I really like Tesh's music, but I'd categorize it > more as a "classical/rock fusion". However, by the definitions put > forth here, it could be called Progrock. The time & key changes, etc. > are all there. > Have a good-un! > Dave [------------------------- End of Quote --------------------------] John Tesh? Ugh...I thought classical/rock fusion was ELP...which reminds me, what do you guys out there think of that Greg Lake Retrospective? --- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard * Origin: The Chessplayer's Forum (1:2410/278) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EBR00003Date: 07/21/97 From: CHRIS ROBBINS Time: 11:29am \/To: FRANK SWARBRICK (Read 0 times) Subj: pondering Led Zeppelin *** Quoting Frank Swarbrick to All dated 07-13-97 *** > Anyway, I would have to definately say that they are *not* a prog > band, but they do have some proggy songs. Here are the ones that I > would concider to be fairly proggy... > > "Stairway To Heaven" [untitled 4th album] > "The Rain Song" [Houses of the Holy] > "No Quarter" [Houses of the Holy] > "Kashmir" [Physical Graffiti] > "In The Light" [Physical Graffiti] > "Achilles Last Stand" [Presence] > "Carouselambra" [In Through The Out Door] > > Now personally I think these are all great songs, but are they great > prog songs? I dunno. If a "full" prog band played them I don't know > if they'd actually be "proggy" enough, whatever that means. Who [------------------------- End of Quote --------------------------] I would have to agree with you on that one...I made the same point about Queen once myself... --- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard * Origin: The Chessplayer's Forum (1:2410/278) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EBS00000Date: 07/22/97 From: DOUG FARROW Time: 03:35pm \/To: KENNETH NEWMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Tony Williams On 7/18/97, Kenneth Newman pontificated about Zepp to Doug Farrow: DF> ObProg - Tony Williams Lifetime @cd "best of" set - very nice with DF> personnel including John McLaughlin, Jack Bruce and others. Some of DF> this is almost psych while other parts are early fusion. DF> KN> How's the recording quality on this? I have the CD releae of KN> _Emergency_ and while a lot of it is excellent, it can be a little KN> rough on the ears While not perhaps audiophile quality, it is not so bad as to intrude on the music itself (my threshold for recording quality). I found it somewhat fascinating to listen to McLaughlin's playing. I'd be hard-pressed to say from listening that this is the same man who did the Mahavishnu Orchestra stuff and his accoustic _My Goals Beyond_. That's (at least - there's probably more I haven't heard) three very different styles. That's not saying any one is better than the others - just very different. Tagmania - Taco Bell is NOT the Mexican phone company --- MacWoof 3.14159 * Origin: I repeat myself when under stress; I repeat . (1:282/61.110@fidonet)