--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EAQ00003Date: 06/20/97 From: DAVID MARHEINE Time: 01:25pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Gentle Giant --- Sez Kenneth Newman to David Marheine --- DM> I'm guessing _PTF_ was too long for a single CD... KN> The first couple of releases of this on CD cut the tune KN> "Breakdown in Brussels" which is merely Ray playing "Sweet KN> Georgia Brown" on the fiddle while the roadies try to fix KN> the amps, but all subsequent releases are complete and on KN> one CD. I stumbled into a Gentle Giant web page which went into detail about the sonic differences between various CD releases of the Gentle Giant albums. It's sort of amazing to read about the various out and out screwups that get released. I mean, notes missing from the beginnings or endings of songs? Jeez. Anyway, hearing no objections, I'm reprinting some educational text apparently related to some imaginary Gentle Giant reunion some people are apparently trying to convince each other is possible or desirable or something... Zeppo, The Long-Lost Fourth Shulman Brother - by Kenneth Newman (kenneth.newman@oln.com) It's nice to see recent mention of the importance of Phil [Shulman] to the band but I would go further and say that it wouldn't really be a reunion without the participation of the long lost "fourth" Shulman brother. I refer, of course, to Zeppo Shulman. Even the most hard core fans like Geir haven't heard of him, largely because he was only in the band at the very beginning and, taking the role of the "straight man" in the band, he didn't even look or act like the rest of the band. Where Derek would prance around like a deranged troubadour, Zeppo sported a schtick which was later copied by Cheap Trick drummer Bun E. Carlos - the bored, dyspeptic, chartered accountant look. His musical contributions to the band were minimal, as well, as he could only play euphonium, ukelele and euchre, his proficiency in the last accounting even more than filial loyalty for the lads letting him hang around. However, even more than his lack of musicianship, it was undoubtedly the "Taste" incident which caused his ultimate and forceful ejection from the ensemble. Having slept through all of the recording sessions of the first album, he attempted to dominate the production of the second. Bad enough for the label was that he insisted on titling the album "Acquiring the Taste of Buttocks" (oddly enough, the label kept his idea for the cover art), but he included these liner notes, which they eventually used, though with substantial revision: "Acquiring the taste of buttocks is the second phase of sensual pleasure. If our first album sticks in your gorge, then you'll want to put relish (we hope) on this, our, second, offering. "It is our goal to make extremely unpopular music while still persuading legions of underage nymphettes to become our wanton love slaves, even allowing us to slobber on them, specifically their buttockular regions (see illustration). We have recorded each composition with the one thought - that it should be unique and adventurous....with these two thoughts, that it be unique and adventurous and fascinating, um,....with these three thoughts, that it be unique, adventurous and fascinating and get us laid, oh...., never mind! In any event, we are willing to shed every bit of our combined musical and technical knowledge to achieve this (i.e., obtaining access to nubile buttockular slobber-targets). "From the outset we, the party of the first part, hereinafter referred to as "the band," which should in all cases be understood to mean Gentle Giant (TM, marca registrada, pat. pending, reg'd Penna. Dept Agriculture) have abandoned preconceived thoughts on blatant commercialism, which is why we have explicitly decided to forego any and all royalties on this album and are insisting that those capitalist scumbags at Vertigo Records give away all the copies they can press, even going so far as to purchase record players for those who might not have one. Instead we hope to literally give you something that is far more substantial and fulfilling. All you have to do is sit back and acquire the taste of our buttocks." After leaving GG, Zeppo briefly played bass for Mott the Hoople under the pseudonym "Labial Blender" (apparently a cutesy reference to his habit of making a "thpthththttt!"). noise into the mike which he shared with Ian Hunter whenever Hunter would attempt to sing) but he was given the boot when they got wind of the impending lawsuit from Vertigo. An abortive disco comeback attempt in the mid 70's masterminded by Kim Fowley (with an 11 year old Bill Laswell playing all the instruments, composing the pieces, doing the singing and handling essentially all of the production duties) was also doomed to failure. Zeppo once placed an ad in Melody Maker and Rolling Stone's classified sections advertising himself as a "well-known British progrock musician looking to work with a successful commercial-sounding band so crass they would sell their mothers for the price of a pint." But as Foreigner were the only people to contact him, and he did at least have some standards below which he was unwilling to plummet, he chose to retire from active performing, becoming producer for such deservedly forgotten 80's bands as Flock of Haircuts, Croydon Crisis, and Segue Segue Segue Segue Sputum. Like most washed up proggers he has done some film work recently and is currently looking to make a '90's comeback on the reasoning that "if that pathetic, ugly, no-talent, worthless David Crosby bastard can do it, anyone can." Last I heard, Zeppo was trying to sell Geir Hasnes his phone number for two thousand kroner. More Answers About Zeppo Q: Just heard a rumor that Zeppo Shulman was actually The Fifth Beatle. A: Not true, but during his "disco period" of 1977-79 he did produce an album called A Fifth of Beatlemania-mania which he described as "not the real Beatlemania but an amazing soy analog, blended together in 20 second sound bytes and set to rollicking disco beats." It was even less successful than his follow-up effort Steers on 45 which was supposed to be a bunch of cattle grunting in 20 second sound bytes set to a ubiquitous disco beat. The bubble burst when it was revealed that they weren't really cattle but merely unemployed Danish porn actors (including Nina Hagen's boyfriend, Herman Brood) trying their best to go "mooooooo" without a specifically northern European accent, a trick he more successfully managed ten years later on his 1988 fluke hit Le mystere des vaches bulgares, which had fake cows doing harmony grunting for 20 minutes at a stretch. The English, being blase and cynical after 20 years of rock'n'roll hype and posturing, went for it in a big way. NME wrote: "these cow belches are like a breath of fresh air on the London scene." ... Pull any finger to continue ... --- * Origin: *YOPS ]I[* 3.1 GIG * RA/FD/FE RADist * Milwaukee, WI (1:154/750) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EAQ00004Date: 06/20/97 From: DAVID MARHEINE Time: 02:19pm \/To: CHRIS ROBBINS (Read 0 times) Subj: Wasserman Test --- Sez Chris Robbins to David Marheine --- > NP: Rob Wasserman _Solo_ CR> Whoa! I got a copy of Rob Wasserman's Trios... If you like that one, look for _Duets_! A little jazzier, or at least less poppy, and enjoyably spacious. Somewhere I've got a videotape of Wasserman and Bod Weir playing a song on David Sanborn's short-lived "Night Music" TV show. Can't remember what song they did, but it was really good. The same episode that had Screamin' Jay Hawkins helping Bongwater with Roky Erikson's "You Don't Love Me Yet", a classic moment in music television... DM ... Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. --- * Origin: *YOPS ]I[* 3.1 GIG * RA/FD/FE RADist * Milwaukee, WI (1:154/750) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EAR00000Date: 06/20/97 From: KENNETH NEWMAN Time: 12:12pm \/To: IAN FITCH (Read 0 times) Subj: Genesis On 06-01-97 IAN FITCH wrote to ALL... IF> Has anyone heard about the lead singer from Stiltskin replacing Phil IF> Collins in Genesis? I read about that in the paper. Basically it's: a. ...and then there were two... or b. three down, one to go, and then it's just me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me, Tony Banks. IF> Perhaps they'll get back to doing the kind of stuff that they IF> were doing in the seventies? And perhaps monkeys might fly from my butt but a wise man would wager on neither. And I'm not sure that I would want to see them become an insincere parody of their former selves, IAE. Cheers, Kenneth --- * OFFLINE 1.58 * Greenhouse, schmeenhouse -- I'm FREEZING! --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff238/x] * Origin: OnLine Now Thunder Bay ON, Canada (807)-345-1531 (1:229/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EAR00001Date: 06/20/97 From: KENNETH NEWMAN Time: 11:39am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Gibraltar? Does anyone want me to repost the Gibraltar magazine as it comes out? I will do it if ten peaople agree that's what they want, otherwise it's probably not worth wasting the space and time on it. For those who don't know, Gibraltar is an electronic, user written magazine about progrock, including lots of reviews of new releases and concerts. It tends to focus on some of the more obscure, less well known prog bands, the kind that you only find in mail order catalogs. So its focus is not as general as this echo, but it's an interesting read nonetheless. Anyway, if I can get 10 people responding positively by Bastille Day (14 July) then I'll go ahead and start reposting them. Cheers, Kenneth --- * OFFLINE 1.58 * Heredity: If your parents had no kids, you won't. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff238/x] * Origin: OnLine Now Thunder Bay ON, Canada (807)-345-1531 (1:229/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EAR00002Date: 06/20/97 From: KENNETH NEWMAN Time: 11:35am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: ROLL CALL I those of you in foreign lands could lend a hand I'd like to do a roll call of where we're reaching with this echo. Here is a list of countries I know we are reaching (so if your country is already on the list don't bother to answer the roll call though updates on your country's prog scene are very much encouraged). If you live in a country that you don't see on the list, please write back adding your country to the list. Belgium Turkey UK Quebec Poland USA Canada And if you can add anything about the current prog scene in your country that would be great, too, but at least let us know where you are. Oh, and it's great to have you with us, BTW. Cheers, Kenneth --- * OFFLINE 1.58 * Hams do it with more frequencies --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff238/x] * Origin: OnLine Now Thunder Bay ON, Canada (807)-345-1531 (1:229/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EAR00003Date: 06/20/97 From: KENNETH NEWMAN Time: 11:20am \/To: JAMES BENDALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Welcome Newcomers On 06-15-97 JAMES BENDALL wrote to KENNETH NEWMAN... KN> And don't be surprised if any day now the UK comes KN> back online with us. JB> We've been here for ages :) So where were the howls of righteous indignation when I poked gentle fun at the Welsh? Never mind, I think I can answer that. Anyway, good to see the UK back with us. Seen any of the interesting gigs in UK lately? I know Chris Topham went to see Arse Nova (ooops) with Mastermind and Grey Lady Down back a couple of weeks ago. The Ozric Tentacles are playing the solestice gig in Birmingham this year (and to think I said I'd never go back to Brummyland again after the last time but I think I would even make an exception for this). Anything good at the festivals this year? Catch any Porky Tree gigs lately? So, what's up in UK these days? Any idea how many of you are back online here? Cheers, Kenneth --- * OFFLINE 1.58 * Give a man an inch, and he thinks he's a ruler. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff238/x] * Origin: OnLine Now Thunder Bay ON, Canada (807)-345-1531 (1:229/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EAR00004Date: 06/20/97 From: KENNETH NEWMAN Time: 11:30am \/To: CHRIS ROBBINS (Read 0 times) Subj: Wondering On 06-16-97 CHRIS ROBBINS wrote to ALL... CR> Also, in a couple weeks of time I will be attending the G3 concert, CR> with Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Kenny Wayne Shepperd, and (here's the CR> on topic part) Actually, you may talk about any of these as they fall into the category of progmetal which I, in a departure from some previous moderators, am allowing. And that's an official moderator ruling. CR> Robert Fripp, of all people, as the opening act. I was kind of CR> curious, does he play old King Crimson stuff anymore He does when he's playing with King Crimson, as on his last couple of tours with that band, captured for posterity on the King Crimson _B'Boom_ album recorded live in Argentina. It's not a bad album but neither is it a great departure from _Thrak_ so if you have one you don't really need the other, IMO. Anyway, if Fripp is listed as appearing solo it's very likely he won't do any Crimso material but instead would be doing ambient music of the Frippertronics type. He's done some shows like that recently that supposedly are very good *if you like that sort of thing* though if you go expecting Crimso you might be very disappointed. CR> ....(ya know, Vai would CR> actually be on topic, wouldn't he? He did play with Zappa!) Yes, Vai is on topic because of playing with Zappa and because of his first solo album and because of sucessively smaller and smaller parts of each subsequent solo album. Cheers, Kenneth --- * OFFLINE 1.58 * Geologist -- Fault finder --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff238/x] * Origin: OnLine Now Thunder Bay ON, Canada (807)-345-1531 (1:229/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EAR00005Date: 06/21/97 From: BRYAN ERICKSON Time: 11:19am \/To: DAVID MARHEINE (Read 0 times) Subj: Gentle Giant Re: Gentle Giant > Zeppo, The Long-Lost Fourth Shulman Brother > - by Kenneth Newman (kenneth.newman@oln.com) That was very interesting. Thanks! --- KoZmiK KaTman --- --- VPNET 0.042r * Origin: CyberNation (1:124/8024) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EAR00006Date: 06/19/97 From: ROBBIE WILSON Time: 03:42am \/To: IAN FITCH (Read 0 times) Subj: Genesis Hi Ian, 01-Jun-97 09:36:36, Ian Fitch wrote to all Subject: Genesis IF> Has anyone heard about the lead singer from Stiltskin IF> replacing Phil Collins in Genesis? Perhaps they'll get back to IF> doing the kind of stuff that they were doing in the seventies? It is true the the guy from Stiltskin has replaced Phil, (sorry I can't think of his name atmo even though I live in Edinburgh !). As far as a style change goes, I think we're going to have to wait, at least 'til the next album. If you check out www.genesisweb.com you'll find clips from the new album, tour dates (Jan 1997 for Glasgow), interviews etc. To these ears, based on a 10sec mono wav file, the new album is in the same vein as _We Can't Dance_. Mind you, most of the lyrics were already written when the auditioning started. Another change will be no Daryl Stuermer or Chester Thompson in Genesis live, so I guess Tony is flexing his `leader of the band` muscles (-: Byebye for now. Robbie email : rgwilson@compura.com .!. NP: The Enemy Smacks - I.Q. _For Ever Live_ --- Terminate 4.00/Pro * Origin: Net 259 from Blantyre and PROUD 44(0)1698305835 (2:259/69.46) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: EAS00000Date: 06/21/97 From: HENNING SCHNOOR Time: 01:17am \/To: IAN FITCH (Read 0 times) Subj: Genesis Ian Fitch wrote about Genesis: IF> Has anyone heard about the lead singer from Stiltskin replacing Phil IF> Collins in Genesis? Perhaps they'll get back to doing the kind of stuff IF> that they were doing in the seventies? I don't know the work Ray Wilson (the name of the singer) has done with Stiltskin, but I have heard a few clips from the new Genesis Album (they are available on the internet at http://www.genesis-web.com), and they sound great to me - also, Mike Rutherford has characterized the "new Genesis style" as "darker and heavier". There are a lot of hints that Genesis might go to the old direction again, and they've said they will do a few *old* songs on the next tour - so maybe we can hope for them playing "Supper's Ready" once again... "If I could change to liquid, I could fill the cracks up in the rock..." (PG 1974) Henning Schnoor --- CrossPoint v3.11 * Origin: There's An Angel Standing In The Sun... (2:240/2130.12)