--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4M00000Date: 04/15/97 From: KENNETH NEWMAN Time: 10:20pm \/To: GEORGE ERDNER (Read 0 times) Subj: Prog. Rock defns. On 04-15-97 GEORGE ERDNER wrote to MICHAEL DOYLE... GE> MD> OLX 2.1 TD Built for comfort - I ain't built for speed. GE> GE> Ah, a modified version of a lyric from Jim Steinman's title song from GE> the album "Bad for Good" -- "I wasn't built for comfort, I was built GE> for speed". I suspect it's more like the other way around. "Built for Comfort" is an old old blues song. There's a decent version by Howlin' Wolf on the _London Howlin Wolf Sessions_ album on Chess that he did with members of Traffic, the Rolling Stones, Cream, etc. It's actually a pretty good album. ObProg: Howlin' Wolf is the blues singer that Captain Beefheart sounds most like. Cheers, Kenneth --- * OFFLINE 1.58 * Hire teenagers while they still know everything. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff238/x] * Origin: OnLine Now Thunder Bay ON, Canada (807)-345-1531 (1:229/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4M00001Date: 04/16/97 From: KENNETH NEWMAN Time: 08:14am \/To: GEORGE ERDNER (Read 0 times) Subj: "BEST" ALBUMS On 04-15-97 GEORGE ERDNER wrote to STEVEN VAN IMPE... GE> I mentioned "The Ballad of Billy the Kid", by Billy Joel GE> I mentioned "Funeral for a Friend" by Elton John George, did you get that netmail I told you I was sending you? Just in case you didn't, I'll resend it as netmail. Look out for it. And to be very clear, in that netmail I specifically and officially told you that I was declaring Billy Joel and Elton John to be off-topic until September (at least). That means do not discuss them. I have told you once. I have now told you twice. Do not discuss Elton John and Billy Joel, or their music, on this echo as they are currently off topic. And the same for everybody else. Billy Joel and Elton John are officially off topic until September. And in general, George, if you're not having fun here, and if you are causing others not to have fun here, then maybe this isn't the place for you after all. You're more than welcome to stay, as long as you abide by the echo rules, but I'm just saying, you know, if it ain't fun, what are you doing here? Cheers, Kenneth --- * OFFLINE 1.58 * Hardware: The part you kick. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff238/x] * Origin: OnLine Now Thunder Bay ON, Canada (807)-345-1531 (1:229/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4M00002Date: 04/17/97 From: DAVE HUGHES Time: 06:48am \/To: CHRIS ROBBINS (Read 0 times) Subj: ProgRock definitions > They all have at least one song (or part > of a song) that uses > an > odd time signature and usually this time signature has a numerator > which > is larger than the denominator (i.e. 5/4, 7/4, etc.). uchSuch --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: The Fireside, Houston, Texas (713)496-6319 (1:106/114) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4M00003Date: 04/17/97 From: DAVE HUGHES Time: 03:33pm \/To: CHRIS ROBBINS (Read 0 times) Subj: ProgRock definitions > They all have at least one song (or part > of a song) that uses > an > odd time signature and usually this time signature has a numerator > which > is larger than the denominator (i.e. 5/4, 7/4, etc.). Speaking of odd time sig's., have you ever heard the first Captain Beyond album; a song called "Dancing Madly Backwards (on a sea of air)"? Tha album seems to be outta print but I located a source for a CD. Only thing is, they want some $30 for it! I want that recording badly, but NOT THAT BADLY!!! Dave --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: The Fireside, Houston, Texas (713)496-6319 (1:106/114) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4M00004Date: 04/17/97 From: DAVE HUGHES Time: 03:40pm \/To: MIKE HANSEN (Read 0 times) Subj: Tommy Bolin mh> set many years ago. He loved it. Nothing about it mh> appealed to me. I'm curious. Why does Tommy Bolin mh> appeal to you? What made him a great guitarist? Who ever said Tommy Bolin was a great guitarist? I never heard anything "great" come out of his fingers! Dave --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: The Fireside, Houston, Texas (713)496-6319 (1:106/114) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4M00005Date: 04/17/97 From: DAVE HUGHES Time: 03:45pm \/To: IAN FINES (Read 0 times) Subj: Space Rock Fest??? Hawkwind is still around????? I haven't even heard anything from or about them since "The Space Ritual". Dave --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: The Fireside, Houston, Texas (713)496-6319 (1:106/114) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4N00000Date: 04/17/97 From: KENNETH NEWMAN Time: 07:44am \/To: LAWRENCE LUCIER (Read 0 times) Subj: RECENT PURCHASES (AKA NEW On 04-15-97 LAWRENCE LUCIER wrote to GEORGE ERDNER... LL> Another here that agrees with this concept, George. I've been sitting here reading quietly and holding my peace about this subject. My conclusions from the posts I've read? Some posters in this echo have an overly tendancy to be elitists/extremists on this issue. Prog is so broad that there is probably no single individual here or anywhere who likes all types of prog. In effect that means that here we all need to get along with other people who maybe don't like the same types of music we do, even if it all fits in the same overall category of progrock. What that means, in practical terms, is that you and George should feel free to discuss Styx and Def Leppard (but not Billy Joel and Elton John, since we have to draw the line somewhere) without having others slag your tastes as lowbrow and pedestrian. And on the other hand, other people here should feel free to disuss Finnesterre or the Plastic People of the Universe or Henry Cow without being slagged as elitists/extremists. Who knows, maybe we could all learn something from each other around here? FWIW, I liked Styx when they were on Wooden Nickel records, before they got the contract with A&M, and I have most of those albums on 8 track. They've still never been able to re-release the original recording of "Lady" so most people are only familiar with an inferior substitute. Some of the later albums have their moments, even and compare favourably to some of the better moments of Kansas. It helps to use the CD program feature or copy to cassette so you can edit out the lowbrow and pedestrian filler in between the prog bits, tho. ;-) Cheers, Kenneth --- * OFFLINE 1.58 * Get down and Modem the night away! --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff238/x] * Origin: OnLine Now Thunder Bay ON, Canada (807)-345-1531 (1:229/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4N00001Date: 04/18/97 From: GEORGE ERDNER Time: 12:02am \/To: JOHN WITTERSHEIM (Read 0 times) Subj: New Temporary Moderator JW> I going to be moderator here because I'm the only one on JW> here how know's what the hell Progressive Rock really is and what the JW> heck it really means! Progressive Rock is not just rock its Art Rock JW> like Early Genesis,Classical Rock Like Renaissance, Progressive Rock is JW> just ROCK that evolved in the 70's from simple music form valuing JW> emotions and attitude,to an elaborate form able to incorporate involved JW> compositional structures and sophisticated melodic,rhythmic,and harminic JW> elements.Progressive Rock has two prerequisites:Intelligence and musical JW> sophistication deticated by bands who still champion the old-fashioned JW> ideals of beauty,lyricism,and grandeur in art.In the craft of JW> Progressive Rock it does not simply mean new or different. Exactly -- you have described the MUSIC that is Prog-Rock. It is the MUSIC that either is or is not Prog-Rock -- not the artist who cerates it. To assume that only a Prog-Rocker can create Prog-Rock, and that any music recorded by someone who is not a Prog-Rocker can not be Prog-Rock is utter foolishness. Likewise, if someone who specializes in Prog-Rock were to explore new musical forms and create a piece of music that didn't sound like Prog-Rock, then that work of music would not be Prog-Rock. One of the most entertaining works of Prog-Rock I've been listening to lately is the song "Don't Let it Show", written by Marty Woolfson and Alan Parsons. The version I've been listening to is the cover of the Alan Parson's Project original that was recorded by Pat Benatar on her debut album. The opening passage is played on a guitar instead of organ, and Benatar had not yet abandoned her classical operatic training, so her vocals had the tonal qualities of a coloratura. Pat Benatar does not have a reputation as a Prog-Rocker. She's a Major Babe, yes, but not a Prog-Rocker. Yet that cover of a Prog-Rock song from "I, Robot" (and don't try to tell me that the Alan Parsons Project isn't Prog-Rock) is every bit as much a hidden Prog-Rock treasure worthy to discuss and to tell other Prog-Rock fans about as some obscure European band who's music is only available in out-of-the-way shops in Paris. Actually, there was one other rendition of that song that was also better than the original, though not as good as Benatar's cover. It was performed live by Christine Ebersole on Saturday Night Live in 1981. * OLX 2.1 TD * The more you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets. --- Renegade * Origin: LOTL/2 * 412 746 3592 * lotl2.slip.lm.com * USofA (1:129/230) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4N00002Date: 04/18/97 From: GEORGE ERDNER Time: 12:02am \/To: LAWRENCE LUCIER (Read 0 times) Subj: Recent Purchases (aka New LL> GE> I don't believe it! Someone else who can appreciate and enjoy LL> GE> Prog-Rock songs that are mixed in with non-Prog-Rock songs and LL> GE> that were recorded by a band that doesn't have a reputation as LL> GE> Prog-Rock purists! LL> Another here that agrees with this concept, George. I've been sitting e LL> reading quietly and holding my peace about this subject. My conclusions LL> the posts I've read? Some posters in this echo have an overly tendancy o LL> elitists/extremists on this issue. That is an understatement! LL> An example, (totally taken from my own LL> personal experience and views), of what you are talking about, is the tyx LL> song, "A Day" which if I remember right appeared right after their big it LL> "Lady" on their second ablum. I hadn't twigged on to this particular umb LL> until quite a few years had passed after the ablums release and it just l LL> away that they were capable of anything like it, especially in light of a LL> albums by them. About the only real cut I liked by them (and still very LL> do) on their later ablums is "Boat on the River" (at least I think that's LL> it's called weren't much! (grin)>). My ex-wife ended up with most of my Styx albums in the divorce, but I recall those particular songs and agree that they are not only Prog-Rock, they are rather GOOD Prog-Rock. LL> Actually my fave prog-rock is the 1812 Overture...........pity it was rit LL> way before the 1960's - 1970's as it's off topic for this echo! Then give a listen to PDQ Bach's "1912 Overture". Zappa doesn't have a monopoly on creative musical zaniness. Also, listen to "After the Storm", from Jim Steinman's "Bad for Good" album. It's hard to find, having been out of print for a long time. It is a full fledged symphonic opus. I find it very reminiscient of the movie sound track music of Dimitri Tiomkin or John Williams, or Richard Rogers' soundtrack for the 50's documentary "Victory at Sea". It seems that the best new classical music (which sounds like an oxymoron) are works written as soundtracks. Of course, I'm not sure where the line is drawn between Prog-Rock, which has classical influences, and "real" classical music, as far as discussing it in this echo goes. * OLX 2.1 TD * The Surgeon General offered me a cigarette! --- Renegade * Origin: LOTL/2 * 412 746 3592 * lotl2.slip.lm.com * USofA (1:129/230) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4N00003Date: 04/17/97 From: CHRIS ROBBINS Time: 10:06pm \/To: JEFF JENKINS (Read 0 times) Subj: KC/Floyd *** Quoting Jeff Jenkins to Chris Robbins dated 04-12-97 *** > they > CR> were in the Detroit area), and they still sound fantastic....the > most > CR> recent one, they played two sets, with no opening band, and they > CR> played the entire side of 2112 to close the first set...wow! > > They were without a doubt one of my favorite bands for years, but when > Power Windows came out they lost me. They were always superb musicians > but the song content went downhill somwhere. Grace Under Pressure was > a > good album, not sure where the change started... possibly with Signals. > > They went from being literature to being science, if you catch my > meaning. > > Their latest album is really good though....