--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4K00002Date: 04/15/97 From: GEORGE ERDNER Time: 12:02am \/To: STEVEN VAN IMPE (Read 0 times) Subj: "BEST" ALBUMS SVI> This stupid ":)" thingee is very useful for people who, like me, don't p SVI> English at home and therefor do not understand many of the hidden humor SVI> such messages. May I point out that you didn't understand a simple tatem SVI> 'No a, no b'? May I point out that I DID understand the concept of "No A, No B" -- what I didn't understand was the identity of "B". It was a French Prog-Rock band known only to a few Frenchmen and a handful of Americans who follow French Prog-Rock. Much as I would enjoy being able to stroll along the boulevards of Paris, looking for obscure recordings in little shops here and there, I can not. SVI> My attempt was to use this message to improve my previous definition of SVI> ProgRock: after a split, every part of the band has to be reconsidered o SVI> if they're still ProgRock (you might remember my definition was not ased SVI> single songs or albums, but on group concepts). I recall that. Your definition was different from many of the other definitions that defined Prog-Rock. It seems that, given the abundance of definitions floating around, one can simply pick the definition you like best and go by it. Therefore, I choose to use the definition of Prog-Rock that defines the musical parameters that a song must conform to. And why not? It's no better and no worse than any of the others out there. And please note, I have tried to discuss Prog-Rock music many times in here. But it seems that everytime I make a statement about a piece of music that fits at least one of the many definitions of Prog-Rock that's floating around in here, the bulk of the responses I get consist of being told that the artist who recorded the song I mentioned wasn't "proggish" enough, therefore the music wasn't Proggish enough. I mentioned "Good Vibrations", by the Beach Boys. The artists were NOT Prog-Rock specialists, but that particular song WAS as "proggish" as anything by any band that specialized in Prog-Rock. I mentioned "The Ballad of Billy the Kid", by Billy Joel, another artist who didn't specialize in the Prog-Rock genre, but the song fit at lest one of the many definitions of Prog-Rock floating around. I mentioned "Funeral for a Friend" by Elton John, and -- well, I think you see my point. I must therefore conclude that the REAL definition of Prog-Rock is "any music recorded by artists on the short list of 'qualified' Prog-Rockers, regardless of what it sounds like, plus any music recorded by obscure artists that Prog-Rock echo 'insiders' happen to like". * OLX 2.1 TD * I don't eat red meat. I cook it. It's brown. --- Renegade * Origin: LOTL/2 * 412 746 3592 * lotl2.slip.lm.com * USofA (1:129/230) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4K00003Date: 04/15/97 From: GEORGE ERDNER Time: 12:02am \/To: STEVEN VAN IMPE (Read 0 times) Subj: Recent Purchases (aka New SVI> - Def Leppard: _On Through The Night_. Not my favourite, but it has some SVI> proggish-sounding tracks. Especially the last one, called _Overture_. ut SVI> the whole, no real prog. I don't believe it! Someone else who can appreciate and enjoy Prog-Rock songs that are mixed in with non-Prog-Rock songs and that were recorded by a band that doesn't have a reputation as Prog-Rock purists! I agree completely that _Overture_ was not only Prog-Rock, but it was GOOD Prog-Rock. * OLX 2.1 TD * I got a Harley for my wife -- pretty good trade, huh? --- Renegade * Origin: LOTL/2 * 412 746 3592 * lotl2.slip.lm.com * USofA (1:129/230) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4K00004Date: 04/15/97 From: IDRIS SAHIN Time: 01:58am \/To: JEFF JENKINS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: KC/Floyd -=> Quoting Jeff Jenkins to Chris Robbins <=- CR> that...I've seen Rush in concert twice myself (the last two times they CR> were in the Detroit area), and they still sound fantastic....the most CR> recent one, they played two sets, with no opening band, and they CR> played the entire side of 2112 to close the first set...wow! JJ> They were without a doubt one of my favorite bands for years, but when JJ> Power Windows came out they lost me. They were always superb JJ> musicians but the song content went downhill somwhere. Grace Under JJ> Pressure was a good album, not sure where the change started... JJ> possibly with Signals. it started exactly at Signals. I like signals not because of its music, but because it has perfect instrument playing JJ> Their latest album is really good though.... i hate this also. but i think Dream Theater, Ivanhoe, Sieges Even are cool bands with inspiration from Rush --- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR] * Origin: A Song for All Seasons * Gecko BBS +90-232-Screwit * (2:430/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4K00005Date: 04/15/97 From: IDRIS SAHIN Time: 01:58am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: new stuff i've got Mike Kenealy: Half alive in holywood. this is mike kenealy's band aka Beer for Dolphins, mike kenealy at guitar,keys, vocals and a drummer and a assist. two cds, first one live at studio, captured live, not remixed, the second one real live. nearly three hours of good fusion, i liked all the instrument performances, the only drawback is that as it is live mike kenealy plays either guitar or keys, mostly guitar, never both of them (only for a short passage). It has got very funny moments, making me remember that he was a Zappa sidesman. French TV: After a lenghty silence Virtue in futility Intestinal fortitude these are 2., 3. and 4. albums by French Tv. i would say that the second and the third are interesting fusion albums with few vocals, not hyper technical but imaginative. the latest is the more interesting and varied. Half of it is excellent original music a la RIO meets Canterbury. the other half consists of a 15 minutes VDGG cover and 2 total waste of time. Island: Pictures A forgotten band from 70s between vdgg and canterbury. I liked at first, but now find it kind of boring. X-legged Sally: Killed by Charity Land of Giant Dwarves Phenomenal Zappaesque hyper upbeat funky fusion. They have a large lineup of guitar,keys,bass, drums,sax, trumpet, clarinet, vocals. The music is very complicated, i only wish they had a better vocalist. Land of is more mature than killed and has lots of jam. Soh band:No Problem at all Think Red era King Crimson with John Zorn at sax and playing freer music. Krauldjursanstalten: Voodoo Boogie I'm sure that 99 percent of prog rock fans wont like this album but i love it. It is guitar,bass,drums a three men lineup both three making vocals. i dont know how to classify their music, but although it seems simple at first, it is extremely complex music (not fusionlike) with lots of jam. They remind me only of Watchtower. ... The future is only a way of talking, there is only now in time --- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR] * Origin: A Song for All Seasons * Gecko BBS +90-232-Screwit * (2:430/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4K00006Date: 04/14/97 From: KENNETH ABRAMS Time: 10:22pm \/To: JEFF JENKINS (Read 0 times) Subj: KC/Floyd JJ> They were without a doubt one of my favorite bands for years, but I was in love with Rush from the moment I first heard their first album. Continued to be a fan, although I lost track a bit when I first entered the Navy, into the 80's. JJ> but the song content went downhill somwhere. Grace Under Pressure JJ> was a good album, not sure where the change started... possibly with JJ> Signals. And that's pretty much where they lost my interest. It's not that I actually dislike their 80's material, it's more like they bore me. JJ> Their latest album is really good though.... Very. Actually managed to rekindle my interest in them. Best I've heard from them in over a decade. kabrams@erols.com --- RM 1.3 03106 * Origin: BBS Networks @ bbsnets.com 301-863-5089 (1:2612/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4K00007Date: 04/14/97 From: IAN FINES Time: 10:34pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Space Rock Fest??? I hear that there will possibly be a fairly big fest in August somewhere in New York (I'll get specifics). Bands in attendance supposedly might be: Alien Plantescapes F/i Hawkwind Ozric Tentacles Porcupine Tree Melting Euphoria If that isn't a damn good gathering of bands, I don't know what is... NP: Hatfield and the North- Fol De Rol Ian Fines IanFines@juno.com By the way.....does anyone have any info on Yes touring soon? --- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard * Origin: The Chessplayer's Forum (1:2410/278) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4L00000Date: 04/15/97 From: LAWRENCE LUCIER Time: 02:13pm \/To: GEORGE ERDNER (Read 0 times) Subj: Recent Purchases (aka New George Erdner @ 1:129/230 wrote on 04-15-97 00:02 about *Recent Purchases (aka New* GE> I don't believe it! Someone else who can appreciate and enjoy GE> Prog-Rock songs that are mixed in with non-Prog-Rock songs and GE> that were recorded by a band that doesn't have a reputation as GE> Prog-Rock purists! Another here that agrees with this concept, George. I've been sitting here reading quietly and holding my peace about this subject. My conclusions from the posts I've read? Some posters in this echo have an overly tendancy to be elitists/extremists on this issue. An example, (totally taken from my own personal experience and views), of what you are talking about, is the Styx song, "A Day" which if I remember right appeared right after their big hit song "Lady" on their second ablum. I hadn't twigged on to this particular number until quite a few years had passed after the ablums release and it just blew me away that they were capable of anything like it, especially in light of later albums by them. About the only real cut I liked by them (and still very much do) on their later ablums is "Boat on the River" (at least I think that's what it's called ). Actually my fave prog-rock is the 1812 Overture...........pity it was written way before the 1960's - 1970's as it's off topic for this echo! --- Sqed/32 1.13b2/r15155 * Origin: T-Shirts 'N Genes BBS - (250) 748-3408 v32b v42b XA CM (1:340/204) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4L00001Date: 04/16/97 From: JOHN WITTERSHEIM Time: 12:32pm \/To: SCOTT R. GODIN (Read 0 times) Subj: CityBoy -> Someone recently mentioned the band "CityBoy" to me as something I mi -> enjoy.. -> -> Anyone heard of them, and have any opinions on their stuff, and what -> I should look for? -> -> -> --- MacWoof 1.5.3; just keeps going and ... -> * Origin: http://cybernex.net/~sgodin/ (1:2604/104.3) I have all their stuff! there a great British rock band of the late 70's and the harmonic vocal of this band where soooooo nice! Great dual guitar/fuzz sound,and the lyrics and song structures are nice too,GET ANYTHING BY THIS BAND! Especially their first album " City Boy" and "The day the Earth Caught Fire" --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Fresh Start BBS * Edison NJ * (908) 248-1678 * (1:107/310.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4L00002Date: 04/16/97 From: JOHN WITTERSHEIM Time: 12:36pm \/To: VIK KAMBLI (Read 0 times) Subj: Floyd and Yes! -> Re: Beatles Rule! -> -> > MD> MH>Sure Pink Floyd had their "hits", such as "Another Brick In -> the Wall P -> > MD> MH>"Time", "Money", "Comfortably Numb", etc...but so did Yes: -> > MD> Not Prog. -> > Granted, the songs listed aren't very "proggish". But what about "D -> > Side of the Moon"? -> -> Dark Side of the moon was one of the most progressive albums of all -> time. When it first came out it completly shocked the music -> comunity. All and all it spent over 450 weeks on the billboard -> charts for top 100 albums. Now if that isn't progressive I don't -> know what is! -> --- VFIDO 7.12 -> * Origin: PC Online (1:2424/2406) Your tellin me! Progressive ROCK lesson #1 Yes is Prog,Floyd is ACID ROCK! sorry! but I am 41 and being a REAL pot smoking former Prog ROCK hippie from the 70's I like to catagorize all forms of rock into their PROPER catagories! --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Fresh Start BBS * Edison NJ * (908) 248-1678 * (1:107/310.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E4L00003Date: 04/16/97 From: JOHN WITTERSHEIM Time: 12:41pm \/To: KENNETH ABRAMS (Read 0 times) Subj: Marillion -> GE> some of the other DJ's at the radio station where I work, and non -> GE> of them knew anything about Marillion, either. In fact, none of t -> GE> had ever heard of Marillion. -> -> What kind of radio station? If you're now trying to claim Marillion i -> another obscure band, get over yourself. At least three top ten songs -> the 80's, one as high as #2. I remember hearing them on the radio in -> Jax, Fl back around 85, about the time _Misplaced Childhood_ was -> entering the charts at #1. Ended up buying that album. Every album -> up to that one was in the top ten. Maybe the problem is, those were -> UK numbers, not US. -> -> Kenneth.Abrams@bbsnets.com -> -> -> --- -> RM 1.3 03106 -> * Origin: BBS Networks @ bbsnets.com 301-863-5089 (1:2612/10) AH!!!!! now your talkin PROG at it's BEST,the first and formost GENESIS sound alike! MARILLION my 3rd favorite!,My 1st being of course GENESIS and my second "Camel" I have all of Marillion on CD!!! Except "Script for a Jester's Tear" and 3 others anyone have any info on a mailorder company that carries this let me know ASAP! --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Fresh Start BBS * Edison NJ * (908) 248-1678 * (1:107/310.0)