--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E2D00004Date: 02/08/97 From: DOUG WATERS Time: 01:38am \/To: MICHAEL DOYLE (Read 1 times) Subj: Your narrow mindedness [ReGaRDiNG]: Your narrow mindedness --[ Reply if You Want, I Don't Mind ]-- -------=======] You stated the following... [=======-------- > What bands do I listen to? You don't even know, don't bother to ask me, > and yet you tell me the bands I listen have no talent. You are indeed > a rarity; a profoundly narrow-minded nitwit. I salute you, Doug Waters. > -------=======] And my response is.... [=======-------- i dont care what you listen to!...the bands you listen to i assumed were crap...the doors have no talent...wow, its old...lots of trendy people listened to it back then, just as the trendy heard listens to green day and stp today...nothing progressive about that.. Doug Waters A Message From The City of Thought the city of thought Sysop: The Unbeliever 904.645.8850 The adventure awaits you --- VFIDO 7.00.00 * Origin: ****** the city of thought 904.645.8850 ****** (1:112/124) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E2D00005Date: 02/08/97 From: DOUG WATERS Time: 01:40am \/To: VIK KAMBLI (Read 1 times) Subj: Jim Morrison [ReGaRDiNG]: Jim Morrison --[ Reply if You Want, I Don't Mind ]-- -------=======] You stated the following... [=======-------- > Sorry I yelled and made such a big fuss about what you said. I was way out > of line. However my opinion on The Doors stays the same. Yes it's true > Morrison killed himself by O.D.ing but you are overlooking their many > artisitic accomplishments. The greatest of which I feel is the song The End. > I feel that this is music in it's purest and most beautiful form. Maybe if > you listened to it your opinion would change. > -------=======] And my response is.... [=======-------- i have heard a lot of doors stuff...nothing that grabs me by the, well you know...i'd rather listen to black sabbath...something that was at the roots of metal.. Doug Waters A Message From The City of Thought the city of thought Sysop: The Unbeliever 904.645.8850 The adventure awaits you --- VFIDO 7.00.00 * Origin: ****** the city of thought 904.645.8850 ****** (1:112/124) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E2D00006Date: 02/08/97 From: DOUG WATERS Time: 01:44am \/To: CHRIS ROBBINS (Read 1 times) Subj: Metal [ReGaRDiNG]: Metal --[ Reply if You Want, I Don't Mind ]-- -------=======] You stated the following... [=======-------- > "The Ramones can't outsolo...." So what? That is not the point! You > obviously don't get it...the Ramones write great, catchy, pop songs...I ike > all yer Sabbath and stuff, too...but I would have to say, I would hardly > consider Tony Iommi a virtouso! You want to hear a guitar virtuouso, listen > Yngwie Malmsteen, John McLaughlin, Joe Satriani, Ritchie Blackmore, etc. > -------=======] And my response is.... [=======-------- hey..guess what, malmsteen is considred heavy metal in most circles...his solos seem too contrived and pretentious...he is just out to get women...iommi is from the heart..he created some of the most eerie riffs ever...i'm not interested in feel good stuff...or i'm more punk than you stuff...pop is for the trendy herd!... Doug Waters A Message From The City of Thought the city of thought Sysop: The Unbeliever 904.645.8850 The adventure awaits you --- VFIDO 7.00.00 * Origin: ****** the city of thought 904.645.8850 ****** (1:112/124) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E2D00007Date: 02/07/97 From: MARTIN RIDGLEY Time: 04:22am \/To: VIK KAMBLI (Read 1 times) Subj: Beatles Echo! =-> Quoting Vik Kambli to Martin Ridgley, re: Beatles Rule!.... **> Re: the Beatles echo.... VK> How do I get it started? It's available everywhere. Just ask the Sysop of the BBS you are using to get it for you. I'll look forward to talking to you on there..... Cheers, Martin ~~~~~~~~ --- Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Eclectic Lab (1:153/831) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E2D00008Date: 02/07/97 From: MARTIN RIDGLEY Time: 12:04pm \/To: VIK KAMBLI (Read 1 times) Subj: John vs. Paul =-> Quoting Vik Kambli to Col Griffiths, re: Beatles Rule!.... **> Question-Who would you say was the better songwritter out of **> John and Paul? VK> I feel that John is a better song writter because in the words of the VK> great Phil Spector: "John was not only ahead of his time he shaped VK> them." I think they're both brilliant song-writers. John was arguably more adventurous and experimental and he was definitely a better lyricist. But I'd Paul wrote some truly great songs, too - and he had a more natural gift for memorable melodies. VK> Question what do you think is there best song? ONE best Beatles' song? Whoa! That's almost impossible to pick. We should really take this conversation to the BEATLES echo, or the General Music echo, though. It's kind of off-topic here. Besides, that'll give me a bit of time to think about the question! ;-) Cheers, Martin ~~~~~~~~ ... "I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round" --- Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Eclectic Lab (1:153/831) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E2D00009Date: 02/07/97 From: MARTIN RIDGLEY Time: 12:04pm \/To: VIK KAMBLI (Read 1 times) Subj: Beatles Rule! =-> Quoting Vik Kambli to Jon Web, re: Beatles Rule!.... VK> Best Beatles Album - Sgt. Peppers Lonely Harts Club Band! That's a tough one, but I'd probably agree with you. VK> Best Album of all time - The dark side of the moon. Best album of all time is almost impossible to pick. It's hard to be objective about it - we could probably agree on a few of the best, but it's largely a matter of individual taste, don't you think? Martin ~~~~~~~~ --- Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Eclectic Lab (1:153/831) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E2D00010Date: 02/06/97 From: PEDRO SENA Time: 04:02pm \/To: VIK KAMBLI (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Black Sabbath -=***> Vik Kambli on the Black Sabbath <***=- VK> Being the one that started the descussion I am entitled to an opinion. VK> Some I think you should watch what you say. Without Sabbath there VK> would be no '90's music. I have no problem with the opinion. Although Black Sabbath has had its moments in rock, they are not the progenitors of the harder rock scene, which was quite alive and well in England and America. The main difference is that the name and the subject of BS's stuff was a bit more off key to most people, and thus the attention. If you listen carefully, much of the nineties music, specially grundge, really owes a lot of its talent to the early San Francisco scene, and the bands that were doing really good rock, power rock, and amazing other stuff. Check out Big Brother and the Holding Company ( with Janis Joplin ) and you might find that the sound there, specially raw, is really a treat, and quite a hint of much other music to come. And there were many other bands, both in the over and underground, whose metal sound, was important. I can remember Spooky Tooth, and the like way before BS came around. And the London scene was not too bad either. Budgie was already around, way before Rush ( a bad copy of Budgie ), and there were many other bands, like Uriah Heep, Quatermass, Spontaneous Combustion, Garry Moore, the thread of bands that became Hawkwind, and others with the so called ( then ) teutonic sound. and many others.... I do not dispute the fame and the attraction that BS had, but they were not the leaders in the field. They just helped people find out that you could use the word devil and satan, and still laugh. It was just a wonderful publicity gimmick. As for the music, they DID have some nice stuff, but hardly progressive. But yes, it is good rock music for the most part, not progressive. ... in due time, and then... --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 * Origin: Oregon Trails BBS *503*655-4645* (1:105/208) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E2D00011Date: 02/08/97 From: JOSH RYMAN Time: 12:06pm \/To: MICHAEL DOYLE (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Your narrow mindedness -- This was in a message from MICHAEL DOYLE to DOUG WATERS -- MD> DW>wrong!...ever hear of carcass, sentenced, amorphis, morbid MD> angel, paradise MD> DW>lost, death?.....they have a lot more talent than many of the MD> bands you MD> DW>probably listen to.. MD> MD> What bands do I listen to? You don't even know, don't bother to MD> ask me, MD> and yet you tell me the bands I listen have no talent. You are MD> indeed MD> a rarity; a profoundly narrow-minded nitwit. I salute you, Doug MD> Waters. Is he not a paragon of intellectual smallness? I happen to have heard some of these bands he speaks so highly of...all I can say is that I'm glad my ear-drums survived to discover Yes, King Crimson, Genesis, and GOOD MUSIC in general. --- * Origin: We're having Post FUN!! in KC at 816-942-5641 (1:280/103) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E2D00012Date: 02/08/97 From: GEORGE ERDNER Time: 07:43pm \/To: VIK KAMBLI (Read 1 times) Subj: Black Sabbath VK> Re: Black Sabbath VK> How do we explain grunge- Led Zepplin, Sabbath, Jimi Hendrix and Cream!! How do you apply the term grunge to those four? More important, how do you include Black Sabboth with the other three? Led Zepplin may have been heavy metal pioneers, but they also produced some outstanding eclectic blends of musical styles. Their blends of middle Eastern tonalities and rhythms with classic rock and roll rank with George Harrison's similar work with Indian raga forms. They also derived as much foundation from their personal Celtic musical roots as they did from American bluesmen. "Stairway to Heavan" has become a cliche through excessive airplay, yet it is still an outstanding musical opus. Jimi Hendrix created a whole new paradigm for the guitar. His roots in R&B are evident, but he added entirely new tonal patterns. His innovative playing techniques redefined the electric guitar as a musical instrument. Cream was really two different bands. Live, they were just a very good power trio with terrible vocals. In the studio, they were an innovative quartet, with producer Felix Pappalardi's blending of blues and other sources creating some incredible innovations. The blending of neo-beat poetic lyrics with pseudo-orchestral instrumental voicings on songs like "Tales of Brave Ulysses" was incredible. Black Sabboth, on the other hand, was merely one of the first bands to play very loudly in a minor key. I enjoyed listening to them, but they were about as "progressive" as the Archies. * OLX 2.1 TD * It's called SARCASM. Look it up! --- RG0511/CDRMAIL 1.06b * Origin: LOTL/2 * 412 746 3592 * lotl2.slip.lm.com * USofA (1:129/230) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: E2D00013Date: 02/08/97 From: GEORGE ERDNER Time: 07:43pm \/To: GARY GOLDSTEIN (Read 1 times) Subj: Name the Artist GG> KJT>> The first one is, I believe... Gino Vanelli. GG> Really?? I thought Gino Vanelli was one of those sappy GG> ballad singers like Englebert Humperdink! I could be wrong, GG> though. Gino Vanelli was a sappy rock and roll singer. Imagine a cross between Englebert Humperdinck and Robert Plant. He's best described as being the world's only heavy metal lounge singer. * OLX 2.1 TD * It's not a rumor. It's something I heard. --- RG0511/CDRMAIL 1.06b * Origin: LOTL/2 * 412 746 3592 * lotl2.slip.lm.com * USofA (1:129/230)