--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEY00006Date: 10/28/96 From: KENNETH ABRAMS Time: 05:34am \/To: MARTIN RIDGLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: King Crimson MR> That's what I thought, too. I don't know *exactly* when Kings' w MR> career began, but at the earliest I thought it was late 60s or earl I've got a small collection of King's books and I just checked various notes in them concerning the author. It appears his earliest works are those now known as the Bachman books, which include Running Man and Thinner, now movies. Those books were written in the late 60's to early 70's. The first one published under King's name, Carrie, came out in 74. So, yeah, it would certainly appear far more likely that King based The Crimson King on the band than vice versa. Kenneth Abrams Fido: 1:2612/114 RIME: HAFAADAI 5647 Hafa Adai Exchange Internet: Kenneth.Abrams@bbsnets.com --- RM 1.3 03106 * Origin: BBS Networks bbsnets.com 301-863-5089 (1:2612/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEZ00000Date: 10/27/96 From: STUART DUBOIS Time: 11:04pm \/To: CLARK RAY (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: The Beatles C>For me, it flows better than _Magical Mystery Tour_, MMT is a bogus album, made up to provide an album "vehicle" for a bunch of stuff. Side 1 is (obviously) the movie stuff, and side 2 is just singles (like _Let It Be_. It really works better as 2 very short albums. However, _The C>Beatles_ seems to be much more of a cohesive unit. Because it IS a real album. Plus, there's such a wide variety of styles on it; more than C>any other Beatle album. Righto. C>Back to _The Beatles_, though. I'm just so amazed at how this has C>affected me. I fully expected to not like much of it at all, but I C>was proven completely wrong. Greatest Hits You Missed vol. 7336. Stuart k\TCOE.MSG*?--- * CmpQwk #UNREG* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Tulare Co Office of Educ, Visalia, CA (1:214/33.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEZ00001Date: 10/27/96 From: STUART DUBOIS Time: 11:09pm \/To: CLARK RAY (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Italian prog C>Yes, and it should be pointed out that it's because of Genesis' C>success in Italy that the band stayed together at all. They weren't C>like much at all anywhere else and had bombed in the U.S. when they C>tried a small tour in 1971. Their albums weren't really selling C>either, except in Italy, so the band decided to spend a lot of time C>there. They eventually recorded _Foxtrot_ in 1972, which was the C>album that finally got the other countries to notice them. So it's all their fault? I wonder if Rolling Stone knows...if they had nukes? Stuart + nallyssNA'.* CmpQwk #UNREG* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Tulare Co Office of Educ, Visalia, CA (1:214/33.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEZ00002Date: 10/27/96 From: STUART DUBOIS Time: 11:15pm \/To: CLARK RAY (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: trip to the big Sac C> SD> Oregon _Distant Hills_ C>I fell in love with the first song immediately when I heard it at your C>place. Most of side 1 was breathtakingly beautiful. It's all folky C>and medieval and stuff. I just got 4 other Oregon LP's (for $*4*). I'll post my latest finds shortly. C> SD> The Pretty Things _Real Pretty_ C>I'm listening to it right now. Pretty good, but nothing to *really* C>get me going. It's early yet. I'll be surprised if you don't like that one. C> SD> Eskaton _4 Visions_ C> SD> A great album. Closer to Magma than other non-Magma C> SD> Zeuhl I've heard. C>I'm going to have to get this one. A bit more light-hearted than C>Magma but definitely zeuhl. I don't think the term "light-hearted" would ever have occurred to me. Stuart +>*?+>*_ Blue Wave+.WK v.+ beent--- * CmpQwk #UNREG* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Tulare Co Office of Educ, Visalia, CA (1:214/33.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEZ00003Date: 10/27/96 From: STUART DUBOIS Time: 11:20pm \/To: GARY SMITH (Read 2 times) Subj: Renaissance G> Well, after some brief research, I seem to remember that a couple G>of the ex-Yardbirds actually formed the first version of Renaissance. G>The NEXT album was "Prologue," which happens to be my favorite. I'm not sure if there's any actual connection between the 2 groups. Their music is very different, and there was several years between the groups. G> I borrowed "Live" and thoroughly enjoyed it. I can confirm that G>Annie was better live than in the studio. ISn't that odd? *I* thought so. G> A friend of mine taped several songs from "Camera Camera" (I G>think that's the name...it's the title of one of the songs, anyway) That album is NOT well-liked. _Timeline_ is supposed to be worse. G>and another guy gave me a tape with some other songs...one of which is G>"Jekyll and Hyde." I don't know what album it's from... Don't know that song. G> Oh, by the way, I'm just about to leave for New Orleans! Yep, G>our own moderator Mike Taylor has invited me to do his prog rock show G>on the radio with him tonight! He always liked you better than me... Stuart 10/27/96 --- * CmpQwk #UNREG* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Tulare Co Office of Educ, Visalia, CA (1:214/33.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEZ00004Date: 10/27/96 From: STUART DUBOIS Time: 11:27pm \/To: GARY SMITH (Read 2 times) Subj: the radio show G> Oops...I meant to say "unbelievable piece of CRAP" by some group G>called Kultivator. Man, oh man...and everything up until then was G>really good! He obviously has poor taste in music. They are derivative (which is a really tough word to type, you know). G> AND....I got a return invitation! He always liked you better than me... G> So when are YOU coming to do the show? Uhhhh... Stuart sh,LA-(504)867-9701-V.* (1:3828/1)* Orig+ --- * CmpQwk #UNREG* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Tulare Co Office of Educ, Visalia, CA (1:214/33.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEZ00005Date: 10/28/96 From: STUART DUBOIS Time: 07:51pm \/To: CLARK RAY (Read 2 times) Subj: stuffstuffstuff New stuff: CD's: Mellow Candle _Swaddling Songs_ A legendary folk-rock album. Not really High Prog, but fits under the big umbrella nicely. Sounds a bit like a slightly less proggy companion to Renaissance's first album, before the heavy orchestration. Piano/g/b/d and *2* female lead singers, who duet (and harmonize) throughout most of the album. They have a very strong presence, and at times (esp. when they are "scatting") they achieve a hard rock vocal effect that is very impressive, analogous to the way "Eleanor Rigby" and early ELO used violins etc. for the same effect. The instrumentation is top-notch, too. This isn't just folk with rock touches or rock with folk touches, it's a true fusion. The vocalists jam with each other, and the instruments play songs varying from ballads to fairly "folky" to fairly "rocky". The piano is fairly pronounced, too. The pianist (also one of the female singers) actually played with (shudder) Thin Lizzy once. No frantic soloing or maniacal chord changes, but this lives up to its billing. The sound is pretty good, too. Apparently the LP is worth big bucks these days, and didn't sell at all originally. Message _From Books and Dreams_ This one is occasionally billed as being better than their first (_The Dawn Anew is Comin'_), a Nektar-influenced album that falls much closer to conventional hard rock than Nektar's first 2, at least. It sounds pretty good in a heavy-70's stoner music sort of way, with lots of Nektar/early Man-type jamming. Some really stupid lyrics (I always say that, but these are worse than most): "Dreams are remembered by the few who forget/the sandman is perverted, and not a lovable bearded saint". That's NOT the worst... Still, as Novalis sounded like a mellower version of Nektar, this is a more straight hard rock-y version of Nektar. I haven't had time to compare this with _Dawn_, but it seems to be as good, at least. Not as good as Nektar's first 2, but similar in content. Wigwam _Nuclear Nightclub_ Haven't had time to listen to this one much. Doesn't appear to be very popular with fans... Colosseum II _Strange New Flesh_ You've got "Dark Side of the Moog" on your Magma _Attahk/_UW_ tape. It seems to be the best track on the album, but I haven't had time to hear this much yet. Some singing that really threw me off, compared to the "Dark Side" song (which REALLY cooks). Epidermis _Genius of the Original Force_ Only heard this once, turned down. Lots of harmonies, but I don't remember it very well. I'd like to point out that this is a pretty gnarly wad of music for one day's buying... LP's: Oregon _Our First Record_ (a posthumous release of a 1970 album) _In Concert_ _Winter Light_ _Music of Another Present Era_ (the 1st release) This must be most of their early stuff (along with _Distant Hills_). I paid *FOUR DOLLARS* for these...haven't heard any of them yet. Argent _Ring of Hands_ Their 2nd. The song "Lothlorien" from the Rhino box set is off of this, and it's a classic Early English Prog Song (in a Late Psych sort of way), amazingly enough. I like "Hold Your Head Up" (their big hit) but it doesn't score very high on the Prog-o-Meter. Hope the rest of the LP is as good as "Lothlorien". Ronnie Montrose _Open Fire_ Considered prog enough to have made it into the GEPR. I heard a Montrose (the band) album once, the one with "Bad Motor Scooter" and Sammy Fucking Hagar singing, and it was awful. I'm hoping this is better than that was... The above 2 albums are notable failures of mine, as far as finding the CD's. 0'sProgR--- * CmpQwk #UNREG* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Tulare Co Office of Educ, Visalia, CA (1:214/33.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEZ00006Date: 10/28/96 From: STUART DUBOIS Time: 07:54pm \/To: CLARK RAY (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: YES/PATRICK MORAZ C>NP: "Julia" -- The Beatles C>(god, this is gorgeous) Another song that deserves a heavy prog remake. Stuart 10/28/96 --- * CmpQwk #UNREG* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Tulare Co Office of Educ, Visalia, CA (1:214/33.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEZ00007Date: 10/28/96 From: STUART DUBOIS Time: 08:01pm \/To: KENNETH NEWMAN (Read 2 times) Subj: DON'T BWAH? K> KN> That live Le Orme is a really good album. How much do K> KN> they want for it? K> K> DM> $10 or $15, I believe. K> K> DM> Let me know if you wanna invest a few loons. K> K> Well, I'd pay five for it but $10 or more is in the range K> of "will feel physical pain if I don't own this vinyl" K> and this happens very very rarely, and usually only for K> mint Japanese pressings of amazing albums. You can probably buy the CD for $18 or so, also. Stuart NP: Futbol 10/28/96 --- * CmpQwk #UNREG* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Tulare Co Office of Educ, Visalia, CA (1:214/33.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEZ00008Date: 10/28/96 From: STUART DUBOIS Time: 08:03pm \/To: KENNETH NEWMAN (Read 2 times) Subj: PBS K> DM> I think it was pretty good but I can't remember anything K> DM> about it. Hope this helps. K> K> It certainly helps get rid of the swelling. [rimshot] K> ObProg: Esposito _Procession of the Hierophants_ 1976, is K> a pretty nice album, fusiony stuff. Who the !@#$%^& is that? I never heard of them nor that. Stuart 5-1531 (1:229/510)Line Now Thunder Bay --- * CmpQwk #UNREG* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Tulare Co Office of Educ, Visalia, CA (1:214/33.0)