--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEF00001Date: 10/10/96 From: MIKE TAYLOR Time: 05:52pm \/To: JERRY KASSEBAUM (Read 2 times) Subj: RE: I'm Gonna Boogie Til... Thus quoth the Raven ... JK> Back in the summer of 1974 (give or take a couple summers) JK> a song came out with the lyrics: JK> I'm gonna boogie til my brains fall out JK> Boogie til my brains fall out... Hmm. Without even knowing (nor caring) who it was, I can tell you that the band (and these godawful lyrics) are off-topic for this echo, which deals with Progressive Rock. By definition, Progressive Rock lyrics must be instrumental and involve mythology and JRR Tolkein. Mike Taylor, Moderator, 60S_70S_PROGROCK --- Obolus 1.0.2 * Origin: water flowing underneath and all around my world (1:396/11.6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEF00002Date: 10/10/96 From: MIKE TAYLOR Time: 05:53pm \/To: CHRIS SMITH (Read 2 times) Subj: RE: Trevor Rabin Thus quoth the Raven ... JR> Heh. This is a nice setup, I'd reckon. Still, it'd be nice if they got JR> Bruford back. CS> What is Mr. Bruford doing, anyway? 8) Serious question? He's hangin' out with Fripp & Co. in the latest incarnation of King Crimson. Mike --- Obolus 1.0.2 * Origin: water flowing underneath and all around my world (1:396/11.6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEF00003Date: 10/10/96 From: GARY SMITH Time: 07:48pm \/To: PEDRO SENA (Read 2 times) Subj: absolute-ly Pedro: Well, you're the 2nd guy to register some confusion. I guess I was severely misinformed. I do not have nor have I seen the Absolute Elsewhere album. I was only TOLD that they had an album titled "Ancient Gods" and then released a semi-official EP with "Beelzebub." The guy I talked to didn't own the album, either, but he claimed to have heard the EP. Perhaps he was just catering to my eagerness to own the album for myself. I don't know. Gary --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Orion's Sword-Bush,LA-(504)867-9701-V.* (1:3828/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEF00004Date: 10/10/96 From: MIKE TAYLOR Time: 08:23pm \/To: MICHAEL DOYLE (Read 2 times) Subj: RE: survival of PROG Thus quoth the Raven ... MD> I would love to see it survive as a genre, but my fear is that MD> it has already died back in 1979 and we are just seeing a few MD> spurts of aftershocks Prog certainly doesn't exist to the extent it did in it's prime of the '70s. I don't think Prog truly died, though; rather, the style shrank to some extent and fell out of favor with the mainstream. The epicenter moved away from England, Italy and France to places like Japan and South America. Spain, like America, didn't really develop it's Prog scene until the second half of the '70s, after bands like ELP and Yes peaked with mainstream fans. A couple of fantastic Spanish albums by Mezquita and Crack came out in 1979, while mainstream Prog (Yes, ELP, etc.) was falling into disfavor. America had bands like Kansas and Starcastle, but I don't think America really hit it's stride until Happy the Man, the Muffins, However and so forth. Japan developed a very healthy Prog scene in the mid-'80s that continued into the early '90s. At the same time the British Neo-Prog scene was still a mostly localized occurance. South America seems to have flourished quite a bit in the late '80s and early '90s, and Sweden's current Prog scene seems to be more dynamic now than in the '70s. Of course, now Britain seems to be back in the act as a symphonic center. Even away from these "scenes," various Prog albums came out every year from the scattered corners of the globe. Prog, as a mainstream style, lasted about five years before the blooms died off due to sudden critical derision and the need for mainstream music listeners to hear something new. As a style, Prog's popularity lasted no longer than Punk, Disco, Psychedelic, Rockabilly, Techno-pop and many other styles. Even though the flowers fell off, the roots are still with us. Prog continually attracts a small group of new listeners as well as maintaining a core of dedicated fans, such as ourselves. Rather than the colorful flowers of a prairie in spring bloom, Prog is now the prairie in summer, seen but ignored by most folks as a field of grass. A few people will always take the time to appreciate the subtle beauty of the prairie, appreciate the dynamic and complex interactiosn, the harmonic existence of it's denizens....well, my point is getting buried in metaphor. I'm won't try to predict if Prog will ever again be a mainstream style. If Prog does again become popular, I doubt it will take the same form as the '70s. I do think Prog will be with us for a long time to come, though, always appreciated by dinosaurs and up-and-coming mammals alike. (Couldn't resist one more biological metaphor. =8) Mike --- Obolus 1.0.2 * Origin: water flowing underneath and all around my world (1:396/11.6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEF00005Date: 10/10/96 From: MIKE TAYLOR Time: 08:32pm \/To: CLARK RAY (Read 2 times) Subj: RE: SILLY QUESTION...? Thus quoth the Raven ... MT> For me, the Yes sound revolves heavily around Wakeman and MT> Howe together. I'm not discounting the others, of course. It's just MT> that Wakeman's silver lame capes were very important to me. CR> For me, I don't think the Yes revolves around any one member. CR> It's always impressed me that their sound was dependant upon CR> every member. This remained true up until _Tales_ when Howe CR> and Wakeman seemed to be taking more leads and White tended CR> to just be a good rhythm foundation. You'll get no argument from me. Each member was important to the style; despite the soloing from Wakeman and Howe, Yes were very much an ensemble band. What I hear most though is Howe and Wakeman, followed equally by Broof, Anderson and Squire. When Howe came on board with _The Yes Album_, he brought the focus onto the "classic" Yes style. With _Fragile_ and Wakeman, everything clicked and the band was in it's prime. Yes, every member had something to do with this transformation. They certainly weren't dragged along kicking and screaming. From a historical (and my) perspective, though, it seems that Howe (mostly) and Wakeman (secondarily) were the catalysts that led to the band's peak period. MT> "Gates" and "Sound Chaser." "To Be Over" doesn't do much for me, MT> though. CR> Really? I love all of it. "To Be Over" is gorgeous. I think it may be because of it's position. After the intensity and tension of the first two songs, I find my mind starting to wander during "To Be Over." Sure, it's a nice release of tension but I must over-release or something. =8) Mike --- Obolus 1.0.2 * Origin: water flowing underneath and all around my world (1:396/11.6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEF00006Date: 10/10/96 From: MIKE TAYLOR Time: 08:46pm \/To: CLARK RAY (Read 2 times) Subj: RE: echolyn's _Suffocatin Thus quoth the Raven ... MT> What label is it on? I'm curious whether it is some of the private MT> pressings or if perhaps Sony released it? CR> I guess the label is Bridge Records. There's an address for CR> them at the bottom of the back cover under a paragraph explaining CR> what the term "suffocating the bloom" means. The CD itself CR> is painted black with absolutely no writing on it at all. Tne CR> booklet inside the case feels very papery and folds out to CR> six pages with all the lyrics, except "Here I Am" (?). There're CR> addresses for Bridge Management and the Daedalus Newspaper. CR> Is that the same as yours? This is kinda interesting, Clark. The back cover of mine has the song titles and a few paragraphs explaining the meaning. It starts with "I remember watching Johnny..." and ends with "...to the full potential that God intended." But no address appears anywhere on the back cover. The CD is silver, with "Suffocating the Bloom" in script writing, the "echolyn" name and the song titles and times. Do you have any sort of matrix number on the inner ring of the CD? (Not the clear plastic but the inner laser part.) Very fainly, mine has 118224-D3-2307-1 and Disctronics USA. These are very faint and took a fair amount of moving the disc around to get it all figured out. What do you mean by papery? Flimsy? The booklet of mine is fairly stiff, almost like a manilla folder but not as thick. It does fold out (twice, which I think equals your six pages). It has all the lyrics (I think), inc. "Here I Am." The lyrics are printed in "handwriting." The two addresses are present, plus the usual thank yous and a brief blurb about the recording of the album. Definitely some differences between our copies. I wonder if the band repressed more copies or if there were a variety in circulation to begin with? Anyone else with _Suffocating the Bloom_ want to chip in? Mike --- Obolus 1.0.2 * Origin: water flowing underneath and all around my world (1:396/11.6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEF00007Date: 10/10/96 From: MIKE TAYLOR Time: 08:50pm \/To: CLARK RAY (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: PAVLOVIAN RESPONSE Thus quoth the Raven ... MT> In a remixed form, yes. And from everything I have heard, the remixed MT> CD lost everything that was good about the original LP, which I have MT> never heard. CR> Hmm, the CD sounds fine to me, and I'm pretty anal about CD CR> sound. CR> 'Course I haven't heard the original LP. The sound quality isn't what I'm talking about, but a different mix of the instruments. Like the famous Nektar remix of _Remember the Future_ where the all-important guitar is buried on the CD. I don't know the details but supposedly the instrument mix is VERY different between the LP and CD. Depending on how drastic, the change can be dramatic. Anyone who doesn't believe me should listen to Electric Orange's _Electric Orange_ and _Orange Commutation_. Two different mixes of the same recording and they are *worlds* apart. Mike --- Obolus 1.0.2 * Origin: water flowing underneath and all around my world (1:396/11.6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEF00008Date: 10/10/96 From: MIKE TAYLOR Time: 08:52pm \/To: CLARK RAY (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: PAVLOVIAN RESPONSE Thus quoth the Raven ... MT> I've always thought _Down to Earth_ was pretty decent but was ruined MT> to some extent by the circus narration between songs. That breaks the MT> flow. CR> I don't really agree, but I suppose I could do without the CR> narration. For me, the music just doesn't excite me like _Remember CR> The Future_ or _Recycled_. Me neither. I did say that _Down to Earth_ was "pretty decent" which is far from my enthusiastic comments about _Remember the Future_, _Tab_, _Recycled_, etc. The narration detracts from what good there is on the album. Mike --- Obolus 1.0.2 * Origin: water flowing underneath and all around my world (1:396/11.6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEF00009Date: 10/10/96 From: MIKE TAYLOR Time: 08:58pm \/To: SCOTT RHODES (Read 2 times) Subj: RE: Expired Listing Thus quoth the Raven ... SR> BTW, according to my sysop, the netmail to Elist is confirmed SR> to have been delivered crash to 1/201. Now I just need to see SR> if I get confirmation that it went through. Any word on this? Mike --- Obolus 1.0.2 * Origin: water flowing underneath and all around my world (1:396/11.6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DEF00010Date: 10/10/96 From: MIKE TAYLOR Time: 09:08pm \/To: STUART DUBOIS (Read 2 times) Subj: Gong Thus quoth the Raven ... SD> Single From the _Live Floating Anarchy_ album With "Opium for SD> the People" and a song whose title I don't recognize called SD> "Poet for Sale". When I went to buy it for $6, the guy said SD> "I found a couple more" so he only charged me $3. Something I recently discovered is that there are two _Live Floating Anarchy_ albums. The original is from 1978. In 1995, however, the Gong Appreciation Society (GAS) released a _Live Floating Anarchy 1991_ with the same players as 1978. Most of the same songs are there, plus many additional cuts, including "Poet for Sale." Of the original songs, some are in a different order compared to the 1978 version. I am assuming that the _1991_ version was indeed recorded in 1991 and not simply additional songs from the 1978 tour. SD> What's really odd is a CD I have which pretends to be this SD> album, but is, instead, all of _Anarchy_ except the long last SD> track (Baba Black Sheep/Mama Maya whatever the fuck), which SD> is the best song on the album, plus a bunch of stuff by Daevid SD> and "New York Gong". I was going to suggest that the version you have is the GAS version but it has a version of "Allez Ali Baba...", although without the "Mama Maya Mantram." Nothing is mentioned about New York Gong, though. SD> I was being a bit overgenerous to my collection. I've got the SD> conventional releases, plus a couple of comps (Gong is dead, SD> Gong live, etc.). Would you wanna get rid of these mere comps? I'd be interested in _Live, Etc._ if it's got the diecut cover and _Gong est Mort_ regardless of the cover. Mike ps: This info is all from the latest Canterbury discography in circulation. --- Obolus 1.0.2 * Origin: water flowing underneath and all around my world (1:396/11.6)