--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DDW00063Date: 09/28/96 From: CLARK RAY Time: 11:54am \/To: SCOTT RHODES (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Genesis The message from Scott Rhodes rises higher: CR> I remember actually laughing a bit when I heard "Grendel" and that CR> part for the first time. He He. Extreme Genesis influence all over CR> that song. SR> I've actually never noticed any particularly strong influence beyond SR> the obvious bit in the end section. What strikes you as being "extreme SR> Genesis influence" besides that? First off, I think the opening is a nod to Zeppelin's "Stairway..." The overall form of the song is a nod to "Supper's Ready" and side 2 of _Abbey Road_ (in a way). There's Fish's voice which sounds like Gabriel in Genesis in 1971 to 1972. Then there's Rothery's guitar which, to me, has a thinner Hackett sound. It gets *very* Hackett like from 7:00 through 9:00 minutes into it. The bass through here is like Rutherford's on _Foxtrot_ and _Selling England_. I was going to say that the keyboard that comes in at 9:23 is Banks-like, but it's not really. His sound actually reminds me of Epidaurus, of all things (Epidaurus was a German Prog-synth band in the 70s that sounded more than a little like Genesis). Then there's the "Apocalypse in 9/8" part. What makes it not Genesis is the drumming, which is too controlled and not Genesis-like. So, maybe "extreme" was too strong a word, but there's more than a little Genesis influence there. CR> I've never been as crazy for that song as a lot pf people CR> seem to be, but it's OK. They've done better, in my opinion (ex: CR> "Forgotten Sons"). SR> I definitely agree, but then, if you listen to just "Incubus", it SR> becomes equally obvious that they've done worse. And that's before SR> they sold out. Hmm, I like "Incubus." The reason for that may be because it's from _Fugazi_, which, as you may know, I like considerably. All of this talk of Marillion has made me listen to all this stuff again. I'd gotten quite tired of it a few years back, but there's still more than a few passages here and there that still get to me. NP: "Hotel Hobbies" -- Marillion -------------------------------------------------------------- - Clark Ray - - email: clarkray@psnw.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Tulare Co Office of Educ, Visalia, CA (1:214/33.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DDW00064Date: 09/28/96 From: CLARK RAY Time: 12:09pm \/To: SCOTT RHODES (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: SLEEP DIRT The message from Scott Rhodes rises higher: CR> That was the first Yes LP I ever heard and bought. I bought it back CR> when there was no such thing as CDs. Yes, I'm actually old enough to CR> remember that time. SR> It was my second Yes album, after _90125_. As with you, this was SR> pre-CD (or maybe CDs had *just* come out). SR> I bought it because I was playing _90125_ to death and figured I SR> should check out some other stuff by them. I played _90125_ a lot too. I remember really liking "Changes" and everything after "Leave It." I should get that out and play it again. It's been years since I've heard it. SR> After hearing the opening SR> three seconds of "Heart of the Sunrise", I knew I'd made a *good* SR> move. Oh, yes. I'd never heard anything like it. It wasn't until some time latter that I learned that it was called Progressive Rock. Actually, I was hearing Art Rock and Progressive Rock being used interchangeably. Many books did that. NP: "Going Under" -- Marillion -------------------------------------------------------------- - Clark Ray - - email: clarkray@psnw.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Tulare Co Office of Educ, Visalia, CA (1:214/33.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DDW00065Date: 09/28/96 From: CLARK RAY Time: 12:26pm \/To: STUART DUBOIS (Read 3 times) Subj: RE: SILLY QUESTION...? The message from Stuart Dubois rises higher: SD> What happened with Big Penetrator anyway? I never even heard it came SD> out, just stumbled across it one day at a record store. I still SD> haven't heard it. Oh yeah? I'll play it for you sometime. It's not a great album, but there are a few things worth hearing. NP: "Torch Song" -- Marillion -------------------------------------------------------------- - Clark Ray - - email: clarkray@psnw.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- ... the frog was a prince, the prince was a brick, the brick was an egg... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Tulare Co Office of Educ, Visalia, CA (1:214/33.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 182 60'S 70'S ROCK Ref: DDW00066Date: 09/28/96 From: CLARK RAY Time: 01:00pm \/To: JOSH RYMAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: SILLY QUESTION...? The message from Josh Ryman rises higher: JR> Without a doubt, _Tormato_ was the point where they got to psychedelic JR> for their own good. (Though I LOVE that cover art!) Did you hear the story behind that cover? This comes from an interview with Jon Anderson that I have on tape somewhere. He said that at the time they were not a happy band. The cover had been designed to have something called a "Tor" on it (something like the Egyptian pyramids) and a man with devining rods looking for water or "magical things", as Jon put it. Someone in the band was upset at the time and threw a tomato at the cover. The band decided to take a picture of it and use that as the cover since it rather described the feelings of the band at the time.