--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F2300002 Date: 02/02/98 From: JANADA OAKLEY Time: 09:18pm \/To: ROBERT PLETT (Read 0 times) Subj: Back up TE> Bye the way, I finally got on the net and dropped by the TE> Guardian Angel site. Ye Gads girl, you're going to give some TE> old guy, like me for instance, a heart attack! RP> Too much firepower for ya, eh? Oh, bless your heart, Bob! RP> * SLMR 2.1a * Praise God for the Lovely Ladies of Limbaugh. I love that. One of these days I'm just going to have to get on Rush's show as an LLL representative...I was at least going to e-mail him the "Don't blame Rush, I was always like this!" picture, but I think I'll wait until some of the hub-Bubba of Tailgate dies down. ... Possible Scandal Name: Ex-intern killed in freak missile accident-gate ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: COLUMBIA SPITFIRE * Dallas, Texas * (214-275-5040) (1:124/3271) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F2300003 Date: 02/02/98 From: JANADA OAKLEY Time: 10:09pm \/To: TOM ENRIGHT (Read 0 times) Subj: Steer ya right! TE> How about it Janada, the Megalopolis of Texas? Good idea or JO> Ack! Ack! Ptewey! We're already in deep guano, even though JO> illegal immigration is supposed to be just that...ILLEGAL! TE> Don't hold back Janada, tell us what you really think. Well, Mom always said I was too backward and should open up some. I think she might be sorry she said that... TE> not? Of course Texas would have to change it's state animal TE> from the sheep to the pigeon. JO> Yep, we get sheered enough as it is. Although I always figured JO> our state animal was the longhorn steer. TE> Steer?!?! Uh, oh! I hate to bring this up, but you better be TE> a little more careful with them knives of yours. Wouldn't want TE> any accidents to happen. :: chuckle :: Now Tom, how could you think that about moi?...someone who could turn a male fly into a "steer" with a well-placed throwing knife? Now, I dunno if I could still do it from a running horse anymore though, I'm gettin' up in years, ya know. Actually, it was already a steer when I got here...That old bat, Ma Richards did it! ... A horse is a horse of course, of course. Unless it's Odo. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: COLUMBIA SPITFIRE * Dallas, Texas * (214-275-5040) (1:124/3271) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F2300004 Date: 02/02/98 From: JANADA OAKLEY Time: 10:10pm \/To: DAVID HARTUNG (Read 0 times) Subj: Conservative or not? JO> I meant to tell you that I do agree with you about the strict JO> demands toward being conservative enough, and losing people JO> along the way. I think that has been a real problem in JO> government, and in part for the NRA. In some ways there are two JO> similar factions in the NRA, but the biggest gripe seems to be JO> the "talking heads" and what they're doing with all the money, JO> which would be more of a common sense issue. DH> I have always found it interesting that those who are the first DH> to sqwak about narrow minds, are often the first to demand DH> complete adherance to the party line. The mainstream half of the NRA seems to think the extremist half is narrow-minded, not open to compromise...well, dangit, we *have* compromised ourselves to death. Now, talk about narrow-minded...the mainstream PTB suddenly told Leroy Pyle (extremist board member) to take the NRA emblem off his page. It's the "Members for a better NRA" part that they must hate. They threatened a lawsuit for unlawful use, but they must have forgotten that part on their page that had the emblem and banner on it, saying use to these and spread them around. As soon as this was pointed out, they took it off. They are sure going to a lot of trouble to shut Leroy up. I'm furious now, so I'm going to put up a "Members for a better NRA" section on my page too, and put a little blank spot and next to it "Emblem witheld due to new NRA's "No extremists" rules. I hate to see this acrimony, but if the people in charge are corrupt and selling us out anyway, what good are they? Well, other than that they've helped me look at some so-called "Republican" Congressmen a little differently. I know now that (R) by their name doesn't just automatically mean they are our friends. You can be hurt so easily by those you *think* are on your side because you don't expect it nearly as much. When it's liberals, at least we always know what to expect, even though it's all bad. ... Trust only those who would lose as you if things go wrong. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: COLUMBIA SPITFIRE * Dallas, Texas * (214-275-5040) (1:124/3271) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F2300005 Date: 02/02/98 From: JANADA OAKLEY Time: 10:13pm \/To: JOANNE JOHNSON (Read 0 times) Subj: stealing your tagline :- JO> -> OwlGore is really beginning to scare me more than Slick JO> -> Willy. JJ> A lot of people are saying this. That's why I'm torn right now. I know Slick is in the best position(?) right now. He's stopping the OwlGore/Hillary presidency, he's being attacked by his own media (gotta love it!) and he can't do us any more harm than he has already. This country has proven it can get by without a president for the past 5 years. We prosper in SPITE of him, not because of him...although we could do better with a real man in there...and I sure don't mean Hillary! Put Owlgore in there and he wouldn't just be golfing and watching the dog chase his tail...or is that the other way around...? He'd get busy trying to implement his Unibungler/Earth in The Balance Manifesto...I don't even like to think about that. And then there'd be Hillarycare...! Oh, the horror, the horror! JO> ... AlGore's head is as vacant as the breakfast room at a JO> honeymoon hotel. JJ> Sorry Janada.....have to steal this tagline. It is a good one. JJ> :-) Thanks a lot. I saw the phrase in a book of insults and thought that it was perfect for Owlgore. ;) ... Revlon's new Presidential winter line for 1998? Shades of Truth ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: COLUMBIA SPITFIRE * Dallas, Texas * (214-275-5040) (1:124/3271) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F2300006 Date: 02/02/98 From: JANADA OAKLEY Time: 10:26pm \/To: WAYNE THOMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Stupidest New Law Redux CY I'll still stick with the dirt as being the stupidest state CY law. It came from out of nowhere and begs so many questions: CY How many different soils were considered for this coveted CY honor? CY What distinguished San Joaquin Soil so that it could lay claim CY to the noble designation as the official dirt of the great CY State of California? CY What of the soil from other parts of California -- what made CY them inferior to the San Joaquin Soil? WT> All VERY good questions! WT> Hell, I -=LIVE=- in the middle of the San Joaquin valley, and I WT> have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER what they mean by "San Joaquin Valley WT> Soil". (209) I thought that area code looked familiar. Fresno? I lived in Bakersfield for 12 years. Now, I don't know what *THEY* mean by San Joaquin Soil, but I know that it's "special soil"! It's so special it's the only soil you can get San Joaquin Valley Fever from. Yippee! Did you ever hear the legend that the spores are from dust of the bones from American Indians that had their burial grounds disturbed? Shades of Poltergeist! ;) I don't know how true that is, but every time there was a dust storm I'd have a bad allergy attack, and almost all the major outbreaks of Valley Fever follow a dust storm. Weird, huh? I never had an allergy in my life until I moved there 18 years ago, and I still have them. The doctors out there later figured I'd caught a mild touch of Valley Fever when the first signs of allergy came up. (My brother lived there too, and he tested positive for it, same symptoms as mine). But I suppose we'll just be thankful for the "mild" cases, since a bad case can kill you! WT> Depending where you go in this valley, the soil can be adobe, WT> loam, peat, or any of the above combined with sand and/or rocks WT> from the size of dried peas up to the size of a VW bus... You got that right. I love the white rocks up by Lake Isabella. You know, I work security at a plant that actually molds bricks to *look* like that? They call it Kern Whiteriver Rocks. I guess it beats hauling the real thing half across the US. WT> * NRA Life Member, 1972 * So, are you an "extremist" too? ... I'm too far from California, my super powers are fading... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: COLUMBIA SPITFIRE * Dallas, Texas * (214-275-5040) (1:124/3271) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F2300007 Date: 02/02/98 From: JANADA OAKLEY Time: 10:39pm \/To: DAVID HARTUNG (Read 0 times) Subj: Libertarian Party DH> IOW, you do approve of the abolition of public education? RP> Absolutely, and I've said so in this forum several times. The RP> sooner the better, and that ain't soon enough. The public RP> school system is an engine of this country's destruction. DH> Hmm, let's see, no mandatory education, no public schools, this DH> would mean that those in school would be there because they DH> wish an education. What an interesting concept! Or even just because their parents wish them to have an education. (Hey, it was enough to make ME to to school!) Hmmm, so the kids in line for learning would be at school with less "distractions". That'd be iberalese for muggings, rape, murder and such...and the gangs could be somewhere else...maybe even killing more of each other and less innocent bystanders! Who'd a thunk it? ... What is Hollywood DOING to our children?! - Space Ghost ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: COLUMBIA SPITFIRE * Dallas, Texas * (214-275-5040) (1:124/3271) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F2300008 Date: 02/02/98 From: JANADA OAKLEY Time: 11:43pm \/To: MIKE ANGWIN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Global warning TE> How about it Janada, the Megalopolis of Texas? Good idea or JO> Ack! Ack! Ptewey! We're already in deep guano, even though JO> illegal immigration is supposed to be just that...ILLEGAL! What JO> with Owlgore pushing through the papers of thousands (without JO> checking their records!) just before the election, and JO> NAFTA...it's just awful. The influx of drugs is higher than JO> ever. I can only imagine the money that we are paying out JO> directly or indirectly. Even if they aren't getting an actual JO> check from the fed, it still costs the taxpayer a fortune in JO> loss from criminal activity, then to process and house them if JO> they are caught. It's bound to cost over time (maybe a *long* JO> time) when the illegals or almost legals vote in liberal JO> politicians. Our roads are a NAFTA-induced nightmare too. MA> An interesting point came to my attention last week during a MA> Cato Institute discussion about the "Drug War". It was pointed MA> out that about 3.4% of the population used drugs before they MA> began being classified as illegal in the late 1800's. Oddly MA> enough, by the mid-60's, with several decades of prohibition, MA> about 3.4% of the population used illegal drugs. In the late MA> 1970's it was decided that we must "declare war" on drugs and MA> the Drug War began in earnest with about 3.4% of the population MA> using drugs. Now, two decades, countless billions of dollars, MA> and millions of prisoners later, how about that, about 3.4% of MA> the population uses illegal drugs. I've read that too. I also saw the statistics for the DARE programs. More kids in schools with the DARE programs use drugs than at the schools without it. Well, it figures...afterall, sex education has worked so "well" in schools...both subjects should be up to the parents, if you ask me. MA> I would suggest, sooner or later, we are going to have to admit MA> that no matter what we do, no matter how much money we waste, MA> no matter how many of our civil liberties we give up, and no MA> matter how many otherwise innocent people we put in prison, a MA> certian percentaged of the population is going to use drugs. MA> Nothing we have done will alter this. The people that are MA> opposed to using drugs will remain opposed, and never use them, MA> and the people who want to use them will continue to do so. MA> For all the good intentions, all the honest efforts, all the MA> reasoned arguments, the whole thing is a total waste. As hard as it is to believe, I agree with you. Some people WILL do whatever it takes (that 3.4%) to get drugs. And I don't have a problem with learning from that history...as long as we don't call it a "disease" but a choice, and we don't ever let it be an excuse for any form of bad behavior. Personally, I don't really care if a guy (adult, anyway) gets high in his living room...I do feel bad for his ultimate fate, but it's not for me to break down his door and decide for him. But if he decides to drive that way or commit crimes to support his habit, then it should be open season on him. The Heinlein rule should apply: "Your right to punch me ends just short of my nose." And none of this namby pamby "War" on this and "War" on that, the Clintons love so much. It's a joke...and a bad one. An example of what's happened with the huge flow of drugs is all the kids od'ing on heroin here in Plano. I don't know what the answer is. The school system is better than most here, so education didn't stop them. It's a well-to-do town (both parents usually work at very good jobs), so ultimately the kids probably have too much money, too much time to kill, and not enough parental guidance. MA> Relative to immigration, unless we have a desire to preserve MA> the integrity of the welfare state and it's social programs, MA> not claiming myself these have any integrity to begin with, MA> what is the advantage to restricting immigration? If those MA> coming are coming to work, as Adam Smith said, "expanding MA> markets", all they do is make life better for all of us as MA> Smith pointed out, "expand wealth exponentially". One of the MA> greatest scams of the twentith century is how social liberals MA> have duped conservatives into defending the welfare state for MA> them by convincing them to abandon our traditional stance of MA> having an open immigration policy. [snip] I would never agree to an open border policy. We've already let too many people in that weren't checked out, and we do not need someone else's problems. I think our policy used to be if the person had something to offer, a trade, a skill, something...and I don't mean new ways to scam welfare or commit theft. Maybe it isn't fair, but life isn't fair, and if we let everyone live here, then what happens to us? We ALL suffer. It's just more socialism--misery for ALL. MA> As far as NAFTA goes it is a horrible deal, but not because it MA> opens up trade. Free trade is not an enemy of the consumer or MA> the businessman, but because of all the trappings of government MA> attached and expenses incurred. To initiate a free trade MA> agreement we should simply open the borders to trade and knock MA> down all the barriers. [snip] I'm not against free trade, and I think we could manage it without opening the borders and becoming Texico. I've *been* to Mexico, it's not that nice to visit and I sure don't want to live there. NAFTA is just a bad agreement altogether. And as I was saying about the roads. I know a lot of truck drivers, they have to jump through all kinds of hoop$ and pay even more fee$, part of which is supposed to help pay for roads. So it sickens me when I see these rattletrap trucks come from over the border that aren't paying license$ and fee$ like the people here, but it's all in the interest of "free trade", right? Dallas is always being threatened by sanctions because our air "isn't pure enough"...if they would quit lowering the acceptable standards, it would help, and it certainly doesn't help if anyone can come here from Mexico with a truck that wouldn't have passed emmissions 20 years ago! I pay a lot of taxe$ and fees every year to have a fairly new car te$ted...okay, I use the roads...but what about the ones that really tear up the roads and dirty the air? Heck, those are Owlgore's BUDDIES! They helped him become VP, so I guess it's "worth" it. Hogwash! JO> Yep, we get sheered enough as it is. Although I always figured JO> our state animal was the longhorn steer...even if sometimes it JO> seems a bit light on the longhorn and heavy on the steer part JO> ...kinda leaves us short on defense and/or testosterone. (sigh) MA> I always tended to prefer the armadillo meself... Too dany hard to peel! ... Can't you hate purple and not be a racist? - Bill Maher, Pol.Inc. ___ Blue W--- * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: COLUMBIA SPITFIRE * Dallas, Texas * (214-275-5040) (1:124/3271) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F2300009 Date: 02/02/98 From: JANADA OAKLEY Time: 11:56pm \/To: ROBERT CRAFT (Read 0 times) Subj: Childproof firearms - RC> Unlike their mandate of passenger side airbags - which the most RC> recent studies show kill 1 child for every 10 adults saved. Can RC> you imagine the governemt OK'ing pediatric use of a vaccine RC> that killed one child for every 10 adults saved? JO> Does gun control keep popping into your head like it does mine JO> when they talk about this? RC> In respect to flexible standards, yes. Incrimentalism at its finest. And you know they will never be flexible. It's already hard enough to defend your home and family, now you have to fight a gunlock too. My dad didn't have gunlocks, and he didn't keep the guns away from us. I was a lot more scared of my dad than I was of anything else. We didn't have any government-run 1-800-SAV-MY-BUTT numbers to call, cause Daddy's gonna spank me, like they flash on Oprah these days. JO> Percentagewise, the deaths are really quite low, but you JO> wouldn't know it to hear them talk. But airbags? Nah, that's JO> "different"... RC> Given Kleck's figures and those of National Safety Council, RC> there's approximately one child handgun death for every 3,000 RC> lives saved. Compare that to the 10:1 ratio of airbags. Why are RC> airbags then a tool to be kept, but handguns a "deadly" threat RC> to be disposed of? Amazing, isn't it? I get so furious at those lying ads where they say 20 kids die of gunshots a day...yeah, right! But then, who'd have thought a 50 year old politician could carry on a disgusting adulterous affair with a 21 year old and most people would say SHE was the culprit? I worry about this country and where it's heading. It's getting awfully warm around here, and it's not coming from El Nino! ... What was Clinton's excuse this time? "I didn't impale" ___ Blue Wave/QWK--- * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: COLUMBIA SPITFIRE * Dallas, Texas * (214-275-5040) (1:124/3271) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F2300010 Date: 02/02/98 From: JOHN SAMPSON Time: 08:24pm \/To: ROBERT PLETT (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Resignation? RP>On 01-31-98, JOHN SAMPSON declared to ROBERT PLETT: JS>Let's get reasonable here. Granted, it's a crime. It's prosecutable. JS>you honestly think you could find a jury in the District of Columbia JS>would CONVICT him? Remember this is the same city that re-elected it JS>crack smoking Mayor AFTER he was convicted. Marion Barry. So do you JS>that they'll convict Clinton? RP>I don't disagree with you about that, John. But, how is it we've come RP>to such a state? Isn't it because people like us haven't insisted on RP>calling it the crime that it is? If we don't say it, who will? If we RP>don't call for enforcement, who will? We got there by subscribing, as a society, to the philosophy of such great minds as Crosby Stills Nash and Young. You know, "If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with." Or "Dr." Tim O'Leary, Dr. Spock, and the rest of the usual suspects. We got there because the onus of pregnancy was removed by birth control and abortion. Once that problem was "resolved" then promescuity was a hop skip and a jump into the bed or wherever else one had a notion. We got there because the LIbEral dogma of the "ends justify the means" became acceptable. Because the media made it so. Because Hollywood shoved enough of it down our throats that it became second nature and acceptable. Or to quote Sen. Tom Daschle, the public just gave up. When I watched the "Stand By Your Man" speach on 60 Minutes on Sunday (it was the rerun of the 1992 interview with Bubba and Bubbette) it was patently obvious to me that Clinton, with Hillary's approval (she was nodding her head) avoided answering the question despite the best efforts of Steve Croft. What he said was that he wasn't going to commit to a black and white answer and left it to the imagination and interpretation of the American people as to whether or not he had an affair with Jennifer (or Gennifer) Flowers. He neither denied or confirmed. People heard what they WANTED to hear. Those who favored Clinton heard it as a denial. Those who opposed him heard it as an admission. He sidestepped the issue of Lewinsky today despite having said the American people are entitled to a forthright answer to that question. He has yet to deliver that forthright answer unless you count that 20 second finger wagging tirade posing as a denial as an answer. What it boils down to Robert is that sadly, the American people are a selfish self centered lot who are concerned about their comfort and their financial security. The majority now living on either coast could give a hoot if the President watched kiddie porn much less have an affair with a 21 year old woman. If I were one of those NCOs in Leavenworth, I'd be having my attorneys filing an appeal on my conviction for rape. If the CIC can do it, why would any of the NCOs be held liable? I agree that the CIC should be just as liable, but the fickle public doesn't see it that way. Ergo, where is Jesse or Al, or Kwesi or Major, screaming racial inequities. The, pardon my phraseology, Great White Father gets a pass on this, while African American NCOs are prosecuted, convicted, and imprisoned for virtually the same conduct. The outcry from the White House and especially from Hillary about a "right wing conspiracy" reminds me of a line from Shakespeare: "Methinks thou dost protest too much." John , jnsampson@ibm.net "To find reasonable doubt, one must first be capable of reason." ___ * WR 1.33 [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Wildcard BBS - Thornton, CO 1-303-252-0491 (1:104/725) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F2300011 Date: 02/02/98 From: JOHN SAMPSON Time: 08:34pm \/To: MIKE ANGWIN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Resignation? RP>On 01-31-98, MIKE ANGWIN declared to ROBERT PLETT: MA>RP>Adultery is a criminal act, a fact our society has chosen to igno MA> It could be classified as an immoral act depending upon one's MA>individual morals, and it may still, in some states, even be an ille MA>act, depending upon local statues, RP>A misdemeaner in D.C., according to John Sampson. MA>but to universally define adultry as MA>a criminal act, of and by itself, may not be entirely accurate. Mike: In a few states, how many I don't really know, adultery is still a criminal act. In New York, it's still a ground for divorce since NY hasn't become THAT enlightened in having "no fault" divorce. In the District of Columbia, adultery is still classified as a misdemeanor. Don't know when it was last successfully prosecuted. Guess it's been a while since the "inhabitants" of D.C. were so enlightened as to re-elect Marion Barry AFTER he did time for crack possession. The point Robert was making Mike is that even if adultery WASN'T a crime in some jurisdictions, it's still immoral. What possible message can Clinton be sending to the youth of this country by his behavior? Do as I say and not as I do? Adultery is OK? PERJURY is OK if the ends justify the means? How in God's name can a United States Attorney bring a criminal action against someone who perjured themselves in Federal Court when the President of the United States apparently has flaunted the law and has dared Starr to prosecute him? What kind of role model can Clinton be? How can he go on television and preach abstinence or caution against teen age pregnancy, or women's issues? It's abundantly clear to me that he treats women as sex objects. He's defiled his marital vows, totally trashed them. Has out and out lied to the American public. And we, the land of the quick and the naive, not to mention greedy, are willing to overlook these "minor" transgressions because the economy is good, unemployment is down, interest rates are down, inflation is down, etc. ad nauseum. The public is worse than a $20 whore on any city street corner. We as a society have sold out our social conscience for the belief that we're "better off" with this guy. This is the same guy who sold the White House, the election of 96, and God knows what else. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, guess what? It's a duck. John , jnsampson@ibm.net "To find reasonable doubt, one must first be capable of reason." ___ * WR 1.33 [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Wildcard BBS - Thornton, CO 1-303-252-0491 (1:104/725)