--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1V00002 Date: 01/25/98 From: ROBERT PLETT Time: 11:40am \/To: MICHAEL MCREARY (Read 0 times) Subj: Secret Service? On 01-24-98, MICHAEL MCREARY declared to ALL: MM>Someone else asked a question in a mailing list. I want to ask it here. MM>Would it be possible to depose the Secret Service in the Groper-Gate case? MM>I know of no precedent for this, but I am not sure that it can't be done. MM>Any legal-beagles want to bounce this around? I'm no legal beagle, but from what I've seen and heard it seems pretty clear that they can indeed be deposed, and their records subpoenaed, like records of who came and went, and when. Bob /\-/\ - proud Ilk homebody@galstar.com C.A.T. ( o o ) Chapter Ilks == ^ == Green Country - Oklahoma http://www.galstar.com/~homebody/ * SLMR 2.1a * Execution is both painful and unpleasant! - Romulan Cmdr * Origin: Shadow of The Cat (1:170/1701.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1V00003 Date: 01/25/98 From: TOM ENRIGHT Time: 07:59am \/To: MARK LOGSDON (Read 0 times) Subj: Republican Party -=> On 01-24-98 15:57 Mark Logsdon said to Robert Plett <=- RP> test when it's PBA that's the issue? Do you think they would fund a RP> candidate that openly supports pedophilia? ML> Give them time. Given the current goings-on in the Oval Office, things are proceeding faster than you, or I, would that thought possible in precisely that direction. T.E. - San Diego Ilks (Sgt. at Arms) tomenright@funtv.com ... Beware the fury of a patient man. - John Dryden ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- MysticToss 1.20/Pro * Origin: Guilde of High Sorcery (619)575-8249 San Diego, CA (1:202/1100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1V00004 Date: 01/25/98 From: TOM ENRIGHT Time: 07:59am \/To: MIKE ANGWIN (Read 0 times) Subj: The American Culture -=> On 01-24-98 15:57 Mike Angwin said to David Hartung <=- DH> According to whom? The Republic of Texas people? It has been a long DH> time since I have had to apply this knowledge, but I seem to remember DH> that, on an Air Force base, the state flag is typically flown on the DH> same staff, below the Stars and Stripes. MA> According to the flag protocols of the state of Texas. In MA> affairs of the state government, and at state institutions, the Texas MA> flag cannot be properly flown beneath the American flag on the same MA> staff. Federal institutions in Texas generally abide by this MA> protocol. You had better re-read those protocols Mike, pay close attention to Sec 3 (i) as it *directly* contradicts your statement. I just sent you copies of the pertenant sections yesterday. Just in case they got lost in transmission I'll re-post them now: ---------------------------------------------------------- Texas State Library and Archives Commission http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/lobby/ref/6139c.htm Last updated October 23, 1997 Vernon's Texas Civil Statutes Art. 6139c. Texas Flag Code. Sec. 1. This article may be cited as the Texas Flag Code. Sec. 2. The rules set out by Section 3 of this article govern the use of the state flag in this state. Sec. 3. (f) The state flag, when carried in a procession with another flag or flags except the United States flag, should be either on the marching right, that is, the state flag's right, or, if there is a line of other flags, in front of the center of that line. When the state flag is carried in a procession in which the United States flag is carried, the United States flag should be on the marching right, that is, the United States flag's right, and the state flag should be on the United States flag's left. Sec. 3. (i) No flag or pennant other than the United States flag should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the state flag's right, that is, the observer's left. When the state and United States flags are displayed at the same time, they should be flown on flagpoles of the same height, and the flags should be of approximately equal size. The United States flag should be displayed to the United States flag's right, that is, the observer's left. However, when it is necessary for the state and United States flags to be flown from the same flagpole, the state flag should be displayed underneath the United States flag. When the state flag is displayed on a separate flagpole from the United States flag, the state flag should be hoisted after the United States flag is hoisted and lowered before the United States flag is lowered. -------------------------------------------------------------- You're bound to recieve at least one of these two posts. Just in case you haven't noticed, I *DO NOT* have a sense of humor when it comes to dishonoring the National Colors. T.E. - San Diego Ilks (Sgt. at Arms) ... Keep clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- MysticToss 1.20/Pro * Origin: Guilde of High Sorcery (619)575-8249 San Diego, CA (1:202/1100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1V00005 Date: 01/25/98 From: TOM ENRIGHT Time: 07:59am \/To: JUSTIN BAUSTERT (Read 0 times) Subj: [1/2] Smoking Costs -=> On 01-24-98 17:18 Justin Baustert said to Tom Enright <=- TE> Let me get this straight. What you said isn't what you said and we TE> are misreading what you didn't say. Is that what you're trying to TE> get us to believe by notsaying it? Kid, you are OBE to the bone. JB> You've yet to get it straight.. With anything as convoluted and crooked as your moral code [sic] and logic (?) that's no surprise. JB> Wake me when you do. So, instead of going through life with blinders on you have chosen a blindfold. Why does that not surprise me? T.E. - San Diego Ilks (Sgt. at Arms) ... Liberal Rule #4 - When faced with facts, ignore them. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- MysticToss 1.20/Pro * Origin: Guilde of High Sorcery (619)575-8249 San Diego, CA (1:202/1100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1V00006 Date: 01/25/98 From: TOM ENRIGHT Time: 07:59am \/To: ROBERT PLETT (Read 0 times) Subj: Dufus' Waterloo? -=> On 01-24-98 15:57 Robert Plett said to Mike Angwin <=- RP> One of the things that's fun to see going on is the way the media RP> types now very publicly parse every word he says, pointing out how his RP> statements can mean other than what they sound like, something we here RP> have long known about the Slickster. Drawing from the Jennifer RP> Flowers denial and now the admission of that affair, one pundit this RP> morning extended that sort of thing across everything this RP> administration has done from the beginning saying that what they do is RP> say, hey, we didn't rob no bank, that charge is absolutely false (it RP> was a savings and loan). Sorry to delete the rest of your post, it was well written. What has surprised me is the depth of the media and public reaction. Why now? Why this? We all know that Clinton has done as much or worse in the past. Was this simply the last straw or does the *perceived* vulnerability (youth) of the girl have a bearing? I was listening to one talking head, on TV no less, dig up Clinton's lies about his draft notice and the "Col. Holmes" letter as examples of his lack of veracity. They seem to be pulling out all the stops this time. The fun part is that the Republicans don't have to do a thing, they only need to sit back and enjoy the show. Every hour, it seems, the revelations get more and more damaging to the Dufus. The last report I heard said he was staying out of sight in the White House. The thought occurred to me that maybe Hillary has been bouncing lamps off his head again. :: chuckle :: T.E. - San Diego Ilks (Sgt. at Arms) tomenright@funtv.com ... If you get a divorce in Arkansas, are you still cousins? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- MysticToss 1.20/Pro * Origin: Guilde of High Sorcery (619)575-8249 San Diego, CA (1:202/1100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1V00007 Date: 01/25/98 From: KEITH KNAPP Time: 07:00pm \/To: ROBERT PLETT (Read 0 times) Subj: Religious costs. RP>I would also note in passing, because of your allusion in an earlier RP>post to stoning adulterers, that Jesus affirmed *all* such laws of God, RP>including the death penalty even for the tough to handle case of whoever RP>curses father or mother (Matt 15:3-9). I seem to recall that when he was confronted with the actual possibility of an adulterer being stoned to death, he cordially invited anyone who was without sin to start the proceedings. IOW, he criticized a rigid doctrinal with the words in a book (biblical literalism?) and consistently argued that a fundamentalist insistence on rules was inferior to bringing God into the world, and the love and mercy that result from it. Please note that the above is a good illustration of the fact that there are as many ways to interpret 'God's law' as there are human beings. RP>If you truly believe as you claim that Jesus was God incarnate, should RP>you not then believe His witness concerning scripture, or are the RP>traditions of men, like those for which He condemned the Pharisees, more RP>important to you than the words of God? |-) To make this vaguely topical.... In the traditional Augustinian hierarchy, there is God's law, then natural law, then human law. The Constitution is definitely human law, and I think that is what bothers you about it. The First Amendment prevents laws being made not only in favor of particular Christian sects, but Christianity in general, since Christianity in general is "an establishment of religion." If Buddhists or Moslems or Hindus show up here, and agree with the basic ideas of American liberty, and agree to abide by them, they have as much right to be here as we do. The Constitution is very definitely human law -- an attempt by human beings to define a state that includes both individual liberty and overall order. I think you believe that your interpretation of 'God's law' must rightfully take precedence over this human law. As far as I can tell, you believe that 'God's law' can be found unambiguously in a book containing the doings and sayings of people 3,000 years ago. I disagree very strongly. I believe that that book is a wonderful and occasionally inspired record of the heroic struggles of one culture to survive. There are places early in the book where Yahweh says that it is good and right to slaughter the women and children in a city. Do you believe that we should apply this "God's law' to modern heathens, or do you think that this was perhaps a rationalization by a desperate people who needed a homeland? And then there is the one person in the book who I think was actually enlightened, an incarnation of God, and this longhaired troublemaker consistently offends the scriptual literalists around him, e.g., man was not made for the Sabbath, but rather the Sabbath was made for man. The point of all this is that if 'God's law' is to take precedence over the masterpiece of human law that is the Constitution, somebody is going to have to decide what how 'God's law' is actually interpreted. You believe that a Christian interpretation should be the law of the land, as opposed to a Buddhist or Hindu interpretation. But even there, you believe that a book embodies the word of God, whereas I think that book was written by humans, some of them inspired. And the one who I think was an incarnation of God constantly disagreed with the biblical literalism of his time. Christian values are a good thing. But the values of good people abywhere on this planet are a good thing too, even if they differ in particulars. They are the various ways human beings have struggled to make order out of chaos. The US Constitution is an attempt to generalize these values in a way that can apply to all humans, regardless of race color or creed. And if you think that 'God's law' is rightfully supreme over this magnificent codification of decency and common sense, you are going to have to explain how your particular interpretation of 'God's law' is absolutely true while all others are false. If 'God's law' is to be made supreme over paltry human law, then it follows that adulterers must be stoned to death. That is simple biblical literalism. I asked you this once before: do you believe adulterers should be stoned to death? (Pardon me if I remind us that Christ seemed to suggest that biblical literalism was superseded by direct contact with love, mercy, and forgiveness.) * SLMR 2.1a * . If ignorance isn't bliss, I don't know what is. --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 5 Beta * Origin: * Binary illusions BBS * Albuquerque, NM * 505.897.8282 * (1:301/45) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1V00008 Date: 01/25/98 From: KEITH KNAPP Time: 07:00pm \/To: TOM ENRIGHT (Read 0 times) Subj: Religious costs. TE> KK> He also TE> TE>wrote.statements on *both* sides of several issues during his TE> TE>lifetime, including slavery. TE> KK> Right. While he publicly advocated the slow abolition of slavery, TE> KK> he privately asserted that them nigras were not capable of the TE> KK> attainments of real humans. TE>Is this the quote you're basing that asinine statement on? TE> "I have supposed the black man in his present state might TE> not be [equal to the white man]; but it would be hazardous TE> to affirm that equally cultivated for a few generations, TE> he would not become so." --Thomas Jefferson to Chastellux, TE> 1785. No, it isn't. I took the book back to the library and I didn't copy it out. But at some point in his life Jefferson stated that he thought black people were basically inferior to whites. The reason Jefferson seems to furnish quotes for everyone is apparently that he was several people bundled into one. He courageously advocated the slow abolition of slavery at a time when it wasn't cool, yet he kept slaves all his life. His own religious opinions were at variance from those of most Americans, so he accepted things in public documents that he did not believe in private. TE>Read the quote again. He is saying that given the same TE>educational and social "cultivation" that blacks would be the TE>equal of the "massahs" in only a few generations. Given the TE>culture they came from that is quite a vote of confidance. TE>Subject any group to the social, educational, and dietary TE>deprevations that blacks suffered under slavery and that group TE>will compare poorly with the ruling class. TE> "The rights of human nature [are] deeply wounded by this TE> infamous practice [of slavery]." --Thomas Jefferson: TE> Rights of British America, 1774. TE>Yep, sounds like a rabid slaver doesn't he? Please don't misunderstand what I'm getting at here. Jefferson was a Virginia planter, yet he had the brass balls to introduce abolitionist legislation. He detested slavery, yet he kept slaves to the very end of his life. He wrote some of the greatest documents in history about the rights of mankind, yet rumor has it that he fathered children by his slaves. We human beings need heroes, but when we look closely at our heroes, we tend to find that they are fallible and self-contradictory. Just like the rest of us. TE> KK> Oddly enough, when others here post Jefferson quotes that agree TE> KK> with your value programming, you don't complain that they have been TE> KK> taken out of context. TE>Because they aren't taking his quotes out of context. You are. When a Jefferson quote tends to agree with the tone of an echo, its provenance tends to be overlooked. TE>As far as religion is concerned I agree with Jefferson. I don't TE>give a fig if you believe in one God, twenty Gods or no God. My TE>religious views are my business and I refuse to discuss them TE>with, or defend them to, anyone. Others have the same right. Damn straight, pal. It is nobody's business what you believe, or what I believe, or what Mr Plett believes. Our beliefs only become an issue when we think they should be made into US law. * SLMR 2.1a * . You can't learn what you think you already know. --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 5 Beta * Origin: * Binary illusions BBS * Albuquerque, NM * 505.897.8282 * (1:301/45) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1V00009 Date: 01/25/98 From: ROY J. TELLASON Time: 11:49pm \/To: ROBERT PLETT (Read 0 times) Subj: Dufus' Waterloo? Robert Plett wrote in a message to Tom Enright: RP> What's really fun about it though is there *still* wouldn't RP> be knowledge of it had not Uncle Bob called Tripp a liar. RP> What was that about a woman scorned? Who are you referring to here? I musta missed something... email: roy.j.tellason%tanstaaf@frackit.com --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-432-0764 (1:270/615)