--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 176 UNIX Ref: EBS00001 Date: 07/22/97 From: LAWRENCE GARVIN Time: 08:17am \/To: ASHER DENSMORE-LYNN (Read 3 times) Subj: SCO Experience? Asher Densmore-Lynn said in a message to Dennis Mccunney: DM> That depends upon what it happens to be doing. The principal DM> application is a compiler for a specialized language that is an DM> incredible pig - process a big job producing hundreds of pages of DM> tables and the entire system goes into snail mode for the duration, DM> no matter what we do in terms of things like "nicing" the application DM> mix. "nice -19" doesn't tame this app at all. AD> Uhm -- nice -really- ought to get the kernel's attention. I'm not AD> sure how exactly SCO's nice works, but over here (Linux), "nice AD> -19" means "Full Steam Ahead!" -- the table goes from -20 to 20, AD> and things like kswapd run at -20. AD> Of course, being totally ignorant about SCO's schema, this might AD> (probably) not apply. (: Oh, it definitely applies, Asher. But based on Dennis' description of the process, I'd be willing to be that the job is -heavily- I/O bound, in which case, CPU priority won't mean scratch as the job would be waiting on the disk subsystem most of the time. lawrence@eforest.houston.tx.us --- * Origin: The Houston Star | Houston, Texas (1:106/8277) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 176 UNIX Ref: EBS00002 Date: 07/22/97 From: LAWRENCE GARVIN Time: 07:21pm \/To: DENNIS MCCUNNEY (Read 3 times) Subj: SCO Experience? Dennis Mccunney said in a message to Lawrence Garvin: LG> Sounds like a perfect justification for a upgrade to OSR5, on a LG> dedicated machine, running with real-time priorities. :) DM> It would be, but it isn't in the cards. I'm doing the next best DM> thing, and networking the SCO server to another SCO machine DM> sitting next to it. I've installed the software on that, too, and DM> when a resource hog needs to be run, we can ftp it over and run it DM> on the other box, so the production machine doesn't roll over and DM> die, leaving interactive users twiddling their thumbs. Well, before you get all caught up in FTPing applications from one machine to another, remember that both systems have full NFS capabilities. All you really need to do is share the source directory from machine A, mount it on machine B, and run the sucker. :) DM> The trick is getting the networking implemented. Compaq says I DM> have to boot from the SmartStart CD-ROM to create the SCO network DM> drivers for the ProLiant server. When I try that, the ProLiant DM> says it can't, because I haven't enough memory. It wants 16MB. I DM> have 32MB. I haven't had time to investigate what's going on. Hmmm.... one of the problems with using Compaq server, despite the fact that they make -good- servers -- they have go and much up an otherwise SIMPLE installation procedure. lawrence@eforest.houston.tx.us --- * Origin: The Houston Star | Houston, Texas (1:106/8277) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 176 UNIX Ref: EBS00003 Date: 07/22/97 From: LAWRENCE GARVIN Time: 07:29pm \/To: RANDY EDWARDS (Read 3 times) Subj: New BBS Joins Echo... Randy Edwards said in a message to All: RE> From: Randy Edwards RE> This is just a quick note to say that the Spartacus Lives! BBS, RE> a public access Unix system tucked away in the woods of Vermont's RE> northeast kingdom at 802-626-4103, has now joined this echomail RE> conference. RE> (Sysop furiously waves hand and smiles...:-) Welcome to the UNIX echomail conference, Randy. RE> Regards, | Debian GNU/ __ o RE> . | / / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ RE> Randy | / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / RE> (FidoNet 1:325/805) | /____/ /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ RE> (redwards@together.net) | ...because lockups are for RE> convicts... But don't you think the signature block is a wee bit excessive. This is FIDONET, not USENET. :) Lawrence Garvin Moderator, UNIX lawrence@eforest.houston.tx.us --- * Origin: The Houston Star | Houston, Texas (1:106/8277) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 176 UNIX Ref: EBS00004 Date: 07/19/97 From: KURT WEISKE Time: 11:06am \/To: ALLAN JONG (Read 3 times) Subj: MINIX Experiences Allan Jong wrote in a message to Kurt Weiske: > Most of the networking is intended for ethernet use. So, unless > you can set up a router at home that will connect to your PPP source and > set up a local ethernet, it's a little hard to use. But, if you have > access to an ethernet, it's a nice little box AJ> So would I be assuming correctly that I wouldn't have a problem if AJ> I had a cable modem? If it acts like a modem and plugs into your serial port, yes, you'd have a problem. If your cable modem has an ethernet output and acts like a router, then you would have a problem. With the advent of really cheap PCs and free unixes for intel hardware, an industrious person could set up a dial-on-demand PPP daemon and network address translation to allow a person to run a home ethernet off of one PPP modem link. My co-worker is doing that with a 386SX20 with 8 megs of ram and an 80 megabyte IDE drive. One of the MINIX guys on the net has nailed up a PPP connection with a 286 router the size of a carton of cigarettes. I'll post the URL if I can find . --- timEd/386 1.10+ * Origin: realitycheckBBS - San Francisco, CA +1 415 666 0339 (1:161/418) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 176 UNIX Ref: EBS00005 Date: 07/19/97 From: KURT WEISKE Time: 11:09am \/To: LAWRENCE GARVIN (Read 3 times) Subj: MINIX Experiences Lawrence Garvin wrote in a message to Kurt Weiske: LG> Glad to hear the Minix has TCP/IP support. On a 386/20 could be an LG> excellent platform for a DNS/SMTP server for a two-user network! KW> There's another version called MINIX-vmd that runs on 386+ intel KW> machines only, but includes virtual memory, support for XFree86, KW> support for PPP, better compiler support, and has real-world apps KW> available as ports, similar to the FreeBSD ports collection. LG> Aha! bet that's the one I want for my 386/20, then. :) The VMD version has all of the SMTP stuff built-in, making it MUCH easier to net than the vanilla version. I spent 2 weeks on and off hacking on the SMTP parts that weren't quite finished. No man pages, no readme, no makefile. MINIX-vmd came with smail configured. Night and Day. For Oddity's sake, MINIX-vmd is a nice little package. It doesn't have the same "You can grok the whole OS in your mind at once" feeling that MINIX 1.74 had. I think I'd probably put linux or FreeBSD on it if I had 8 megs of RAM on a 386, but I'd try out minix first. The source is really well done and can be quite informative, if you know C. --- timEd/386 1.10+ * Origin: realitycheckBBS - San Francisco, CA +1 415 666 0339 (1:161/418) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 176 UNIX Ref: EBT00000 Date: 07/22/97 From: ANDREW SPROTT Time: 08:51am \/To: GUY LEFRANCOIS (Read 3 times) Subj: SCO installation probs Hi Guy, 15-Jul-97 18:06:00, Quoting Guy Lefrancois to Andrew Sprott about : SCO installation probs GL> Let me get this right... you have made a 400 meg partition that GL> you intend to use for SCO. This means the space is already GL> allocated. Most likely, you have already allocated all the GL> rest of the disk too. Correct. GL> If that is the case, what did you use to create the SCO GL> partition? Is that partition flagged as a SCO Unix primary Dos fdisk. >> AS> Secondly, OpenServer. Everything goes fine until I get >> > the error message; >> > Notice: RAM: No space on device on device 31/50 >> > /ramFS/instdir/iqm/iqm terminated by signal 8 GL> Remove the 400 meg partition you have reserved for SCO and GL> retry the installation. It should now see the free 400 megs GL> and allow you to use it. In other words, let SCO create GL> its own partitions and it should work. I removed the partition and tried to install, but the same problem happened, although, this time I got the warning warning no root disk controller Best Wishes, Andrew Sprott ... I used to use Unix, but couldn't get to greps with it. --- Terminate 4.00/Pro * Origin: Talisoft : asprott@crystal.dircon.co.uk (2:442/615.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 176 UNIX Ref: EBT00001 Date: 07/23/97 From: LAWRENCE GARVIN Time: 09:16am \/To: KURT WEISKE (Read 3 times) Subj: MINIX Experiences Kurt Weiske said in a message to Lawrence Garvin: KW> I think I'd probably put linux or FreeBSD on it if I had 8 megs of KW> RAM on a 386, but I'd try out minix first. The source is really KW> well done and can be quite informative, if you know C. Thanks for the tips, recommendations, and comments, Kurt. It wasn't until this discussion that I'd even considered putting my 386/20 back in service as an Internet server, but now, it seems so obvious. After all, I did run SCO Xenix 3.2.2 on the thing with 4MB RAM and 80MB HDD for about four years, and it ran great! I'm quite sure that an 8MB machine will serve the purpose as an SMTP/FTP/WWW box on the back side of an ISDN link. Of course, I'll have to buy a SCSI controller and SCSI HD, the BIOS on the 386/20 will only support drives to 120MB. :/ lawrence@eforest.houston.tx.us --- * Origin: The Houston Star | Houston, Texas (1:106/8277) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 176 UNIX Ref: EBU00000 Date: 07/24/97 From: DENNIS MCCUNNEY Time: 11:48pm \/To: LAWRENCE GARVIN (Read 3 times) Subj: SCO Experience? ** From Lawrence Garvin to Dennis Mccunney on 22 Jul 97 19:21:00 ** SCO Experience? LG> Well, before you get all caught up in FTPing applications from one LG> machine to another, remember that both systems have full NFS LG> capabilities. LG> All you really need to do is share the source directory from machine LG> A, mount it on machine B, and run the sucker. :) True, and I haven't forgotten, In my limited free time, I've been looking into how to do that on SCO. DM> The trick is getting the networking implemented. Compaq says I DM> have to boot from the SmartStart CD-ROM to create the SCO network DM> drivers for the ProLiant server. When I try that, the ProLiant DM> says it can't, because I haven't enough memory. It wants 16MB. I DM> have 32MB. I haven't had time to investigate what's going on. LG> Hmmm.... one of the problems with using Compaq server, despite the LG> fact that they make -good- servers -- they have go and much up an LG> otherwise SIMPLE installation procedure. Compaq makes *great* servers, with all sorts of features that I'll never use. But like any machine, it has minor quirks. [Email: dmccunney@roper.com] --- * Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: Lunatic Fringe * Richardson,TX * 972-235-5288 * (1:124/2113) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 176 UNIX Ref: EBU00001 Date: 07/25/97 From: DENNIS MCCUNNEY Time: 12:04am \/To: LAWRENCE GARVIN (Read 3 times) Subj: MINIX Experiences ** From Lawrence Garvin to Kurt Weiske on 23 Jul 97 09:16:00 ** MINIX Experiences LG> I'm quite sure that an 8MB machine will serve the purpose as an LG> SMTP/FTP/WWW box on the back side of an ISDN link. LG> Of course, I'll have to buy a SCSI controller and SCSI HD, the BIOS on LG> the 386/20 will only support drives to 120MB. :/ Why? If you have a bigger machine with more disk space, how about networking them? Use the Internet server as a firewall, and store the big stuff elsewhere. [Email: dmccunney@roper.com] --- * Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: Lunatic Fringe * Richardson,TX * 972-235-5288 * (1:124/2113) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 176 UNIX Ref: EBU00002 Date: 07/22/97 From: KURT WEISKE Time: 06:37am \/To: RUNE JOHANSEN (Read 3 times) Subj: SCO Experience? Rune Johansen wrote in a message to Kurt Weiske: RJ> :)) I have not been to any certification classes, but I am RJ> considering it. But, I am to attend the SCO Forum '97 August 17-22 RJ> this year (first time for me was last year) in Santa Cruz... Anyone RJ> else here attending? Nope, but check out the Seabright brewery in Santa Cruz if you're into microbrewery beer and good food. --- timEd 1.10+ * Origin: realitycheckBBS - San Francisco, CA +1 415 666 0339 (1:161/418)