--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1D00017 Date: 01/06/98 From: GLENN AMS Time: 10:47am \/To: BRIAN TIPLING (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Regarding Service Rec -=> Quoting Brian Tipling to Glenn Ams <=- BT> Hi Glenn... BT> On 12/28/97, Glenn Ams mumbled this about: Regarding Service Record. GA> Hey guys, is it possible to get some info on someones service record, tour GA> of duty, etc.? My brother-in-law is (may be?), shall we say, exaggerating GA> when and where he served, (or so his sister, my wife, is absolutely GA> convinced), in order to impress his daughter, who is living with his GA> divorced wife. She is not convinced, and would be interested in the truth. GA> So, how would I go about finding this information? Thanks. BT> No chance at all... It's confidential information... However, BT> what you can do is ask him to back up what he is saying by showing you BT> his DD-214... The document contains everything of importance that was BT> done during the last tour of duty... If the person involved ever BT> reinlisted, then he'll have a DD-214 for each tour... BTW, be sure to BT> ask for the long form since it's the one which shows what kind of BT> discharge was given... BT> Brian Tempting, but John and Tom (and good sense) convinced me, I plan to butt out. I just get so frustrated when I hear about outrageous lies, especially about peoples' "service". Glenn Ams ... I bought powdered water, now I don't know what to add. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- PCBoard (R) v15.22/5 * Origin: The ACCESS System - Huntsville, AL (1:373/9) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1D00018 Date: 01/08/98 From: RAY CANADA Time: 08:26am \/To: FRANK LESSA (Read 1 times) Subj: Clinton impeached? -=> Quoting Frank Lessa to Ray Canada <=- FL> *** Quoting Ray Canada to Keith Knapp dated 12-10-97 *** > -=> Quoting Keith Knapp to David Hartung <=- > > KK> That's right, the Democrats have only half the money to spend that > KK> the Republicans have. Most of the Republican money comes > KK> from the Fortune 500. And as we all know, whoever spends the most > KK> money on each candidate has proven their Constitutional right to > KK> dictate the behavior of that candidate. After all, in America, if > KK> you have more money, you obviously have more rights. Isn't that > KK> the American way? > > > Sure is, but nobody taking a political contribution has to act on a > contributors request. > > As for sources of money, you should check the sources of Democrat > money. A larger percentage of their funds come from big contributors > than it does for Republicans. Ever hear of Ted Turner, Time-Warner, > AFL/CIO, Rialdys, etc. FL> I've worked some with a database of political contributors, and FL> I'd agree that Democrats tend to get a larger proportion of their FL> funds from large contributions than do Republicans, but I would FL> suggest that the "large contributors" (i.e. fat cats) are FL> overwhelmingly on the Republican side. There are many, many, many very FL> affluent Republicans who give moderate amounts to candidates and FL> campaigns: $100 here, $500 there. Given the huge income gap in general FL> between Republicans and Democrats, I'm surprised that so many wealthy FL> Republicans are, in my opinion, cheap - compared with less wealthy FL> Democrats who give much more - political contributors. Sorry I am so late in replying, but I am just catching up on messages. We had all the family here for the holidays. Youngest goes back to college tomorrow. Why do you say the large contributors are overwhelmingly Republican? Do you have data that says that, or are you just continuing the Democrat Party bull? My experience is that most business people try hard to avoid taking any political sides, and they tend to give to both sides to cover their posteriors. How much they give to which party tends to vary with who is in power. The shift in Congressional donations are an example. When the Dems had a lock on Congress, the Republicans could hardly get any meaningful contributions. Now the power shift has the Dems. scrambling for money (and selling their souls). I don't consider Turner, Barbara S., and the other entertainment elite as less wealthy. I think the record also shows Gates is more Democrat inclined, but Clinton's administration may change that over the next year or so. Anyhow, my view is that most business people tend to avoid taking sides unless they have a vested interest in a business related issue. Taking sides usually results in political attacks that affect the future of the business. Pay off both sides and hope they leave you alone! ... RAM = Rarely Adequate Memory --- Blue Wave/386 v2.30 * Origin: Orion's Sword | Bush, LA | (504) 867-9701 | V.* (1:3828/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1D00019 Date: 01/08/98 From: ROBERT PLETT Time: 11:31am \/To: KEITH KNAPP (Read 0 times) Subj: PBS On 01-07-98, KEITH KNAPP declared to DAVID HARTUNG: KK>We're arguing around a much more important point here, so let me KK>state that point more clearly: Do you believe the US government should KK>maintain a clear separation of church and state? Not as the term has come to mean. Neither did our founders generally, which is why the idea rests on a statement in a single personal letter, that by Thomas Jefferson to Baptists in Danbury Connecticut in 1802. Those Baptists had expressed complaint to Jefferson concerning their state's religious establishment (which they later managed to have repealed). Jefferson's "wall", he believed prevented any federal action whatever with respect to such establishments: "In matters of religion I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the constitution independent of the powers of the general government. I have therefore undertaken on no occasion to prescribe religious exercises suited to it, but have left them, as the constitution found them, under the direction and discipline of the church or state authorities acknowledged by the several religious societies." - Thomas Jefferson, 2nd Inaugural Address Note the reference to STATE authorities with respect to religious matters. As a Virginian, Jefferson acted to repeal its religious establishment exactly where such action properly belongs - in and through the Virginia legislature, NOT through any power of federal government, which power it was not granted. Unlike so many today, including current idiot courts, Jefferson knew what the First Amendment *really* means. The idea hasn't been confined strict separationists in this country either, who twist and distort the First Amendment beyond all shadow of resemblance to its original meaning and intent. Our Constitution quite simply neither says or implies any such thing, nor do any other state documents of the time. Others, however, have: "...the church is to be separated from the state and the school from the church, and the right of religious and antireligious propaganda is accorded to every citizen." - Constitution of the Russian Socialist Federated Soviet Republic, Article Two, Para. 13 Our forefathers had a far different view, believing that while the government must not in any way control religion, it must itself be influenced and guided by it, and acknowledge and honor God, the true author of our liberty ("God who gave us life gave us liberty." - Jefferson): "When Protestant Christians came to this country they possessed and subdued the land. They worshipped God and his son Jesus Christ as the Saviour of the World, and acknowledged the scriptures to be their rule of faith and practice. They introduced their religion into their families, their schools, and their colleges. They abstained from all ordinary business on the Lord's Day and devoted it to religion. They built churches, erected school-houses and taught their children to read the Bible and to receive and obey it as the Word of God. They formed themselves as Christians into municipal and state organizations. They acknowledged God in their legislative assemblies. They prescribed oaths to be taken in his name. They closed their courts, their places of business, their legislatures, and all places under public control, on the Lord's Day. They declared Christianity to be part of the common law of the land. In the process of time thousands have come among us who are neither Protestants or Christians ... All are welcomed; all are admitted to equal rights and privileges. All are allowed to acquire property, and to vote in every election, made eligible to all offices, and invested with equal influence in all public affairs. All are allowed to worship as they please, or not to worship at all, if they see fit. No man is molested for his religion or for his want of religion. No man is required to profess any form of faith, or join any religious association. More than this cannot reasonably be demanded. More, however, is demanded. The infidel demands that the government should be conducted on the principle that Christianity is false. The atheist demands that it should be conducted on the assumption that there is no God, and the positivist on the principle that men are not free agents. The sufficient answer to all this is that it cannot possibly be done." - Charles Hodge, Princeton, 1876 Bob /\-/\ - proud Ilk homebody@galstar.com C.A.T. ( o o ) Chapter Ilks == ^ == Green Country - Oklahoma http://www.galstar.com/~homebody/ * SLMR 2.1a * God who gave us life gave us liberty. - Jefferson * Origin: Shadow of The Cat (1:170/1701.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1D00020 Date: 01/08/98 From: ROBERT PLETT Time: 11:53am \/To: DAVE SHAKESPEARE (Read 0 times) Subj: PBS On 01-05-98, DAVE SHAKESPEARE declared to DAVID HARTUNG: DS>the historical thrust of the First Amendment's Establishment Clause DS>was to end any religious test for the exercise of rights, and DS>abolition of the compulsory support of religious bodies by the DS>citizenry. Wrong! Bob /\-/\ - proud Ilk homebody@galstar.com C.A.T. ( o o ) Chapter Ilks == ^ == Green Country - Oklahoma http://www.galstar.com/~homebody/ * SLMR 2.1a * Why don't you go smell up some cave! - American Maid * Origin: Shadow of The Cat (1:170/1701.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1D00021 Date: 01/08/98 From: ROBERT PLETT Time: 11:57am \/To: MARK LOGSDON (Read 0 times) Subj: 1/2] Smoking Costs s On 01-07-98, MARK LOGSDON declared to DAVID HARTUNG: ML>DH> Combine this with the recent law prohibiting doctors who take edicare ML>DH> from taking private money if a patient is over 65, and the whole ML>DH> picture becomes just a little scary! ML>Both will result in the rationing of health care, and what angers me ML>most is that the egregious item that you raised was part of a ML>REPUBLICAN-sponsored bill. But they tell me we're winning the ML>battle of ideology.... Yeah, right. Guess that's why I'm so happy with politics these days. |-\ Bob /\-/\ - proud Ilk homebody@galstar.com C.A.T. ( o o ) Chapter Ilks == ^ == Green Country - Oklahoma http://www.galstar.com/~homebody/ * SLMR 2.1a * If humanity advances much more, it will be extinct. * Origin: Shadow of The Cat (1:170/1701.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1D00022 Date: 01/08/98 From: ROBERT PLETT Time: 12:21pm \/To: DAVID HARTUNG (Read 0 times) Subj: Libertarian Party On 01-07-98, DAVID HARTUNG declared to ROBERT PLETT: DH> RP> As you well know, becoming or simply voting Libertarian is TOTALLY ut DH> RP> of the question for me, even were it to be the only party in xistence DH> RP> with conservative leanings, but I'm moved to comment nonetheless - DH> Robert, I am aware of your views, but I do wonder at them. While parts DH> of the LP platform do advocate things which I personally disagree DH> with, those of us who believe in limited government would be hard put DH> to argue against them on a Constitutional basis. Making it a wolf in sheep's clothing for Conservatives. Bob /\-/\ - proud Ilk homebody@galstar.com C.A.T. ( o o ) Chapter Ilks == ^ == Green Country - Oklahoma http://www.galstar.com/~homebody/ * SLMR 2.1a * Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - Paul * Origin: Shadow of The Cat (1:170/1701.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1D00023 Date: 01/08/98 From: ROBERT PLETT Time: 12:14pm \/To: DAVID HARTUNG (Read 0 times) Subj: Freedom of speech On 01-07-98, DAVID HARTUNG declared to ROBERT PLETT: DH> RP> Where is it in the Constitution that says others are obligated to DH> RP> provide a platform for an individual's speech? If you can find it, DH> RP> maybe I need to get in the faces of the owners of the Washington Post DH> RP> and insist they abide by that and publish my stuff, or face legal DH> RP> action - think I'll insist on the front page while I'm at it. Heck, DH> RP> maybe I'll go to the major networks too, and insist on my own segment DH> RP> during their newscasts. |-) DH> Robert, the guy who got fired got what he deserved, I was merely DH> playing devils advocate on our family list, the responses I have DH> gotten so far have been quite interesting, an much in agreement DH> with those here. Shucks. And I was so looking forward to preparing all them Washington (bleep!) articles and network news segments. |-) Bob /\-/\ - proud Ilk homebody@galstar.com C.A.T. ( o o ) Chapter Ilks == ^ == Green Country - Oklahoma http://www.galstar.com/~homebody/ * SLMR 2.1a * Dogs come when called; cats leave you on hold! * Origin: Shadow of The Cat (1:170/1701.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1D00024 Date: 01/08/98 From: ROBERT PLETT Time: 12:18pm \/To: DAVID HARTUNG (Read 0 times) Subj: Libertarian Party On 01-07-98, DAVID HARTUNG declared to ROBERT PLETT: DH> RP> In the end, there should be no government at any level involved in DH> RP> education. DH> Does the local school board count as government? Yes. |-) Bob /\-/\ - proud Ilk homebody@galstar.com C.A.T. ( o o ) Chapter Ilks == ^ == Green Country - Oklahoma http://www.galstar.com/~homebody/ * SLMR 2.1a * The one room school-house ... best education model known. * Origin: Shadow of The Cat (1:170/1701.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1D00025 Date: 01/08/98 From: ROY J. TELLASON Time: 08:30pm \/To: RAY CANADA (Read 1 times) Subj: Clinton impeached? Ray Canada wrote in a message to Frank Lessa: RC> My experience is that most business people try hard to avoid RC> taking any political sides, and they tend to give to both sides RC> to cover their posteriors. How much they give to which party RC> tends to vary with who is in power. <...> RC> Anyhow, my view is that most business people tend to avoid RC> taking sides unless they have a vested interest in a business RC> related issue. Taking sides usually results in political RC> attacks that affect the future of the business. Pay off both RC> sides and hope they leave you alone! Why does this make me think of organized crime? Sorta reminds me of all those gangster stereotypes, and the "protection" payoffs, and stuff like that... email: roy.j.tellason%tanstaaf@frackit.com --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-432-0764 (1:270/615) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F1D00026 Date: 01/08/98 From: TOM ENRIGHT Time: 05:49pm \/To: DAVID HARTUNG (Read 0 times) Subj: Gates vs Reno 01/ -=> On 01-07-98 08:29 David Hartung said to Robert Plett <=- RP> Isn't it interesting that Microsoft, whose operating systems have RP> multiple competitors out there, including the machine manufacturer, RP> (I've lost track of all that's available) is the company being RP> villified, while Apple, who has no competitors for its system so far RP> as I know (I ain't a Apple person), isn't? Seems like the same was RP> true for the NextStep computers too. Just who is it that's really RP> engaging in monopoly? DH> Robert, simply put, El Reno is going after Microsoft because they DH> have been too successful. This is just one of the reasons I support a DH> limited government! What about Microsoft's little policy of *requiring* vendors to buy Internet Explorer in order to be *allowed* to purchase Windows 95? That, to me, is an unfair trade practice. If Gates wants to give IE away or discount the price to gain market share it's one thing; but to require it's purchase by vendors is another. I don't much like either side on this subject. T.E. - San Diego Ilks (Sgt. at Arms) tomenright@funtv.com (Yeah, I finally broke down and got on the internet.) ... Scotty, beam me up! It ate my phaser! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Guilde of High Sorcery (619)575-8249 San Diego, CA (1:202/1100)