--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGW00019 Date: 12/25/97 From: DAVID HARTUNG Time: 01:51pm \/To: JUSTIN BAUSTERT (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: 1/2] Smoking Costs -=> Quoting Justin Baustert to Robert Plett <=- RP> Apparently, you've still not been able to bring yourself to RP> acknowledge the serious criminality (on several fronts) of the AsG's RP> actions, but to the contrary, still strongly support that criminal JB> Prove to me that what the AsG are doing is illegal. A reasonable challenge, one which I will leave to those of my brother ilks who are better verses in legal matters than I. david.hartung@mcione.com Ilks of Metropolitan Walls/LENS Proud member of White House Enemies database ... Military Movements are not to be made public knowlage ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.21 [NR] --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: The GREAT PYRAMID 901-372-4980 (1:123/522) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGW00020 Date: 12/25/97 From: DAVID HARTUNG Time: 01:56pm \/To: JUSTIN BAUSTERT (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: 1/2] Smoking Costs -=> Quoting Justin Baustert to Robert Plett <=- RP> than once, and that is this: The AsG have engaged in an extortion RP> conspiracy against companies who are providers of a product that is RP> not only legal, but supported and protected at the producer level by RP> the government of the United States by act of Congress - the AsG are RP> in blatant violation of RICO, to name only one law they've broken. JB> Maybe you should forward this to whomever handles complaints in the JB> AG's office? That isn't my department. Justin, for whatever it is worth, this was an answer to your challenge to prove that the AsG have violated the law in their attempt to extort money out of the tobacco industry. david.hartung@mcione.com Ilks of Metropolitan Walls/LENS Proud member of White House Enemies database ... I'll have the popcorn, hot dog, fries, and a side order of grease. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.21 [NR] --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: The GREAT PYRAMID 901-372-4980 (1:123/522) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGW00021 Date: 12/25/97 From: DAVID HARTUNG Time: 11:21pm \/To: RONNIE THOMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: LAM LEE -=> Quoting Ronnie Thompson to All <=- RT> Although the Clintons apparently do not agree on the legality RT> of recess appointments, Mr. Bode noted, "We know they are RT> constitutional," thanks to the first lady's lawsuit. RT> Any comments????? Whether or not a given action is constitutional depends, in the eyes of the Clintons, on which side of the discussion the action supports. In the case of the Reagan action, the action was clearly unconstitutional, since the action(supposedly) advanced the conservative agenda. OTOH, in the case of Mr Lee, the appointment was constitutional, since such action advanced the LIbEral agenda. See how easy this is? david.hartung@mcione.com Ilks of Metropolitan Walls/LENS Proud member of White House Enemies database ... Human (n): Useful domesticated animal popular with cats. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.21 [NR] --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: The GREAT PYRAMID 901-372-4980 (1:123/522) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGW00022 Date: 12/25/97 From: DAVID HARTUNG Time: 11:29pm \/To: JUSTIN BAUSTERT (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: [1/2] Smoking Costs -=> Quoting Justin Baustert to John Sampson <=- JS> I do NOT believe the hype over second hand smoke. There is JS> insufficient medically PROVEN FACTUAL evidence that would convince JS> me that I may be affected by it. JB> So I take it the flight attendent case in Florida did nothing for you? JB> I thought second-hand smoke was the main point of the case? A jury verdict is not medical proof. david.hartung@mcione.com Ilks of Metropolitan Walls/LENS Proud member of White House Enemies database ... No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. - T. Jefferson ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.21 [NR] --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: The GREAT PYRAMID 901-372-4980 (1:123/522) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGW00023 Date: 12/25/97 From: DAVID HARTUNG Time: 11:31pm \/To: C.E. COPELAND (Read 0 times) Subj: Affirmative Action Case -=> Quoting C.e. Copeland to John Sampson <=- JS>The only problem with that theory is that the IRS is a political JS>weapon of the Klinton Reich and as such would NEVER be used against a JS>potential or existing political ally. JS> JS>Perhaps a hint to Justice Watch might be in order. JS> CC> Hi John, CC> I got news for you....Heritage foundation and Justice Watch CC> are two of the organizations being hit by IRS audits CC> And nobody in Washington seems to care.... It's called politics, plus, I seem to remember a piece by Paul Harvey before the 96 elections, which refereed to Clinton, Dole and Gingrich as very good friends. Assuming this is the case, does anything in Washington surprise you? david.hartung@mcione.com Ilks of Metropolitan Walls/LENS Proud member of White House Enemies database ... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.21 [NR] --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: The GREAT PYRAMID 901-372-4980 (1:123/522) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGW00024 Date: 12/20/97 From: MIKE ANGWIN Time: 10:24am \/To: KEITH KNAPP (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Clinton impeached? KK>I was being facetious, but only partly so. Another poster mentioned KK>that your ability to raise campaign money is a marker of your ability KK>to raise support, but I think that's only valid at the local level KK>anymore. Consider that it costs millions of dollars to get a KK>Senate seat these days. So who has millions of dollars? You? No. KK>Me? No. So who does? And we're kidding ourselves if we think KK>that money isn't buying a compliant candidate. It affects both KK>parties, and look how it biases the whole process away from KK>the American people as a whole. That's why there will never KK>be anything like real campaign reform. The purchase of political office, and the ability to by legitimacy as a candidate permiates every level of government. Even at the local level. Serious, qualified, and potentially popular candidates, without an ability to combat the financial power of even less qualified individuals, are lost to the positical process. Here in Houston, for example, in the mayors race recently concluded. Of a field of eight, where six were distinguished individuals, the two that emerged for the eventual runoff were those that spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, a sum far beyond the capacity of the others and far beyond what could ever be hoped to be rasied from supporters in a local election. As a result, Houstonians chose between the wealthy son of a Texas oil man backed by a national party, and a former member of the Clinton administration also backed by a national party. In our supposedly non-partisan mayoral race, funding for these two came from all over the United States with a former president and the sitting vice-president of the United States entering the local fray promoting their favorites. The other candidates, local citizens who have lived in Houston all their lives rather than just the time required to run for mayor, were swamped by the outside money and outside influence brought to bear. One, a fiscally conservative former city controller, who had reined in the lavish spending of the former mayor, another, an attorney and former city council woman who had decades of experience as an advocate for minorities and as a community activist, and another, a woman who has long been a leader in local conservative causes, were all crushed under the money tree. Their voices all but silenced. While I am not a person who normally desires government intervention or the creation of new laws that inevitably restrict our freedoms in one way or another, I do beleive something needs to be done about the electoral process at all levels of government. There is simply too much money at play and it affects, at every level, how we are governed in a negative way, detracting from the will and the ability of the elector to make a reasoned choice at the polls. Maybe we don't need committees or commissions to regulate how much can be donated by who, or what consitutes a donation, but, instead, take a simpler approach. Possibly we should simply restrict donations to those eligible to vote in a given race and only allow a single donation to a single candidate in any given race. Unions, of course, do not vote, neither to corporations, nor do civic organization, committees or even politcal parties. People of influence who are ineligible to vote in a given district ought not be allowed to cast a vote by making financial contributions. I would suggest we allow, in any given area, individuals to donate whatever they wish to the person they are eligible to vote for, but not outsiders. When it gets to the point that national unions and multi-national corporations, former presidents (though in this case this former president was a voter int he area), and sitting vice-presidents, enter into local elections, the only result can be a distortion of the democratic process to the detriment of us all. /\/\ike --- RBBSMail/386 v0.997 * Origin: (713) 664-0002 Lightspeed Systems - 24hrs (1:106/7.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGW00025 Date: 12/23/97 From: MIKE ANGWIN Time: 10:43am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Merry Christmas To one and all, a Merry, Merry Christmas and best wishes for the New Year. This is the time of year when we sit back and appreciate all the family and friends that make our lives full and bring us enjoyment. I am among the most fortunate of men. I am blessed with a wonderful and loving wife, seven adoring children, the most beautiful granddaughter in the world, a caring mother, a nurturing grandmother, and an extended family of relatives and friends that make my life full and complete. Among those friends, in spite of our intermittent philosophical differneces, are those here who have tolerated my seemingly odd view of the world and in doing so also contribute the the enjoyment of life. To each and everyone, thankyou and it is my sincere hope that all have a VERY Merry Christmas... /\/\ike --- RBBSMail/386 v0.997 * Origin: (713) 664-0002 Lightspeed Systems - 24hrs (1:106/7.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGW00026 Date: 12/26/97 From: BRIAN TIPLING Time: 01:06am \/To: DAVID HARTUNG (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Clinton: Pimping Arlingto Hi David... On 12/26/97, DAVID HARTUNG mumbled this about: Clinton: Pimping Arlingto. DH> The burning question of the day is, when are the American people going to DH> figure this out? O more importantly, when will they do something about it? They won't... They watch the nightly news, 20-20, etc.... They're ostly all mushrooms... Brian --- MacKennel 2.6 * Origin: Swamp City - San Diego, California - 619-547-7560 (1:202/1406.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGW00027 Date: 12/26/97 From: ROY J. TELLASON Time: 09:45am \/To: SHOSHONA BIEMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: 4-sale 2 highest bidder!! Shoshona Bieman wrote in a message to Janada Oakley: SB> Blinders!!! I would pay everything I own for BLINDERS!!! Looking at the sorts of taxes we have to pay these days compared to what was paid a generation or two ago, I'd say that you already do... (no smiley) email: roy.j.tellason%tanstaaf@frackit.com --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-432-0764 (1:270/615) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGW00028 Date: 12/26/97 From: ROY J. TELLASON Time: 09:54am \/To: SHOSHONA BIEMAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Clinton Administration Sanctioned Shoshona Bieman wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason: RT> And those who made the decisions oughta be held _personally_ RT> liable, not "the government", which is another way of saying RT> we're all paying for that foolishness... SB> Making us screwed twice (minimum): once by voting in the SB> #$&%@#$ administration (don't blame me -- I voted SB> Republican!), and then each time the government (via the SB> taxpayers) must pay for all their gaffes, faux pas, lapses SB> in judgment and all the other horrible things they do... SB> ARRRGGGHHH!!! Yep! I'd say that last line about sums it up... email: roy.j.tellason%tanstaaf@frackit.com --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-432-0764 (1:270/615)