--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGQ00004 Date: 12/17/97 From: TOM GOODMAN Time: 02:54am \/To: SHOSHONA BIEMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Bustin' Justin for Fussin' SB> When the ill-informed & inarticulate (those who often lack basic SB> communication skills and have limited vocabularies) can't think and SB> formulate intelligent arguments, they often resort to the basest of SB> comments as a substitute for expressing anything with depth or substance... SB> Justin's comment is a classic example... That is true. Ya know, I don't even like to think about Mz. Degenerates. Over the years, I noticed one thing about comedians. Some on't realize that people go to see them to laughand get away from the crap in the world. Dick Gregory was a black comedian who was hilarious. Then he got nto the race thing. Then he was faded out. Pernel Roberts was a popular actor n Bonanza, then he went Civil Rights Active, then he went. Tool Time began to get serious while they were number one. Then Kelsey Grammer's show became first in ratings. Red Skelton, Bob Hope, Bill Cosby, and the greats, all kept it confined to funny stuff and continued without the social issues. I think Mz. Degenerates will not last too long. And too, when one is without G-d, they tend to age more rapidly. If you've seen the person close up on TV, you will recall that she is really aging fast. What was it proverbs said? "A merry heart is medicine for the soul, but a broken spirit dries up the bones." Personally, I liked the Tool Time show, but it doesn't sit well with me that the father of the family is always a bumbling fool. Same with Al Budny. So, I feel that if we just ignore the cancers of society, they will eventually disappear. Shalom & Maranatha THOM MxLight 1.9 He's no longer on the cross. --- Aeolus v1.2.1 (#49820837) * Origin: Shofar@714-838-3837 Right-Minded in Orange County (1:103/505) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGQ00005 Date: 12/17/97 From: TOM GOODMAN Time: 03:01am \/To: WAYNE THOMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Armed And Dangerous WT> People are ingenious. If they are denied "ordinary" weapons, WT> they will make use of what is available to them, and figure out WT> the most deadly ways of using even the most trivial items... WT> I recently made a comment on another echo concerning the use of "field WT> expedient weaponry", and said that what the average pissed-off American WT> could come up with in the way of "kitchen table" weapons if he was suddenly WT> thrust into a civil war situation boggles the mind. Boy that's for sure. Did you know that if you followed King David's lead, got about 4 feet of leather shoe string with a pocket in the middle, nd used a few good sized ball bearings, you can hurl that thing at a velocity approaching Civil War Rifle Balls? It's true. I tried it. Far too angerous to encourage. Maybe we could have a substitute weapon of the week thread. TG MxLight 1.9 For God so Loved........(insert your Name) --- Aeolus v1.2.1 (#49820837) * Origin: Shofar@714-838-3837 Right-Minded in Orange County (1:103/505) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGQ00006 Date: 12/17/97 From: TOM GOODMAN Time: 03:05am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: A Name for VonKlint's mutt Interesting thought I buleeve. Perhaps he should have used "Money". In that way, he could have another excuse for trolling for money. tg --- Aeolus v1.2.1 (#49820837) * Origin: Shofar@714-838-3837 Right-Minded in Orange County (1:103/505) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGQ00007 Date: 12/18/97 From: TOM GOODMAN Time: 03:40am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Paducah? Root cause of the problem. All too often, we hear of the sensational tragedies and turn to link them up with a current socio or economic issue. But, in the Paducah story, the back ground ties in with the national movement "See you at the flag ole!" In this, kids in schools go to their flagpole and form a prayer circle. In these, it is well known that these continually pray for their own school, the staff, fellow students etc. In this society, the Athiests, Agnostic and anti-G-d types are actually free to blast away at anything they consider "religeous". This is the root problem I believe. With a religeous upbringing, there is an ingrained sense of right and wrong. With Athiesm, the principals of a Holy G-d are abhored and held repugnant. The shooter in this tragedy was of an Athiestic group that had no belief system associated with G-d or anything associated with him. This group was planning to stop the "Believers Group" from excercising their constitutional rights. The Liberal side of that ature resents it in an almost psychotic fashion. With nothing to direct their belief system, these Satanic clones will do anything to try to stop God's ids from anything, then turn to blame something else. In this, a stupid, nonsensical, anti-social Hollywood chunk of fermented garbage. This is not new. Almost weekly son assinine >Liberal< trots out a spin term much like >Mean Spirited<. To which the entire country should respond, "DON'T YOU EAN RIGHTEOUSLY INDIGNANT?" Which means, justifiably upset, which is supporteed by Bible teaching. I feel that as Conservatives, we should wrap an affair such as this p in a proper package and plant it, anchor it, highlight it, call attention to it to those clown anti-Americans who are slowly destroying the fabric of our Nation which was founded as Conservative Free State. The Paducah School is a result of the criminal Liberal Athiestic mind turned loose. Forgiveness is nice, but G-d instructs >Righteous Indignity<. Follow his guide and there will be positive results. Shalom & Maranatha Brothers and Sisters Thom G. MxLight 1.9 Joan of Arc is dead...long live Joan of .ZIP!!! [The flag is still there. MAKE it wave by your voices and action!] --- Aeolus v1.2.1 (#49820837) * Origin: Shofar@714-838-3837 Right-Minded in Orange County (1:103/505) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGQ00008 Date: 12/18/97 From: SHOSHONA BIEMAN Time: 04:08pm \/To: ROLAND BALKE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Redux: Pimping Arling RB> Pretending to the CMH, is, I believe, a FELONY. Dropping a dime RB> (roughly the size of Cleveland) on this foul and unspeakable RB> pretender is no more than just and highly overdue. I was going to, but I was begged not to... by my father (a REAL war hero who received a battlefield commission in WWII and served for 28 years before ill health forced him to leave the military)... You see, the lying no-good-nik is my own delusional big brother -- and, as it turns out, his war stories were ripped off from my father, but changed to VN locales. Guess which brother WON'T be inheriting my father's medals when he passes away? I embarrassed him big-time in front of his in-laws over the whole sordid affair -- upon viewing his fake commendations for the first time following my mother's funeral, I vocalized my disgust & outrage and called it the crock it was -- right in front of his MIL & FIL... I understand from my other brothers, that he took down all the phony commendations after that and no longer tries to "pass"... *BUT*, I'm still angry about his sick deception. I'm disgusted to be sharing genetic material with my brother -- he's always been an idiot, but I never knew how low he could sink until I saw his wall of shame, proudly displaying his dime-store decorations... UGH!!! In case you're wondering, I'm estranged from this brother. I want nothing to do with him and I never seek him out. YUCK!!! [ Shoshona Bieman, Sysop: Shofar BBS _@_ 714-838-3837 ] [ _ Such a nice Messianic Jewish, conservative Gal! _ ] [ MJCN: 30:30/2 _ ShofarBBS@aol.com _ Fido: 1:103/505 ] and she is NO phony ... whatcha see is whatcha get! --- Aeolus v1.2.1 (#49820837) * Origin: Shofar@714-838-3837 Right-Minded in Orange County (1:103/505) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGQ00009 Date: 12/18/97 From: SHOSHONA BIEMAN Time: 04:45pm \/To: DAVID HARTUNG (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Tapes JB> Do those types actually have the initiative to vote? DH> Let's ask them, Janada, Shoshonna, Seannette, do you vote? Yup... and I always spend many long hours researching the issues AND the candidates as I make my choices... [ Shoshona Bieman, Sysop: Shofar BBS _@_ 714-838-3837 ] [ _ Such a nice Messianic Jewish, conservative Gal! _ ] [ MJCN: 30:30/2 _ ShofarBBS@aol.com _ Fido: 1:103/505 ] --- Aeolus v1.2.1 (#49820837) * Origin: Shofar@714-838-3837 Right-Minded in Orange County (1:103/505) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGQ00010 Date: 12/18/97 From: SHOSHONA BIEMAN Time: 04:52pm \/To: MATT MUNSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Education in America. MM> In California, the reduction in bilingual education Matt, where are you located? I'm in Orange County... [ Shoshona Bieman, Sysop: Shofar BBS _@_ 714-838-3837 ] [ _ Such a nice Messianic Jewish, conservative Gal! _ ] [ MJCN: 30:30/2 _ ShofarBBS@aol.com _ Fido: 1:103/505 ] ... Reclaiming California, One Conservative at a Time! --- Aeolus v1.2.1 (#49820837) * Origin: Shofar@714-838-3837 Right-Minded in Orange County (1:103/505) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGQ00011 Date: 12/19/97 From: SHOSHONA BIEMAN Time: 12:03am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Snappy Response Snappy comeback to anti-leather AR Whackos: "A lady came up to me on the street and pointed at my suede jacket. 'You know a cow was murdered for that jacket?' she sneered. I replied in a psychotic tone, 'I didn't know there were any witnesses. Now I'll have to kill you too." -- Jake Johansen >>>snicker<<< [ Shoshona Bieman, Sysop: Shofar BBS _@_ 714-838-3837 ] [ _ Such a nice Messianic Jewish, conservative Gal! _ ] [ MJCN: 30:30/2 _ ShofarBBS@aol.com _ Fido: 1:103/505 ] --- Aeolus v1.2.1 (#49820837) * Origin: Shofar@714-838-3837 Right-Minded in Orange County (1:103/505) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGQ00012 Date: 12/19/97 From: SHOSHONA BIEMAN Time: 03:28am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Clinton Administration Sanctioned Clinton Administration Sanctioned & Fined (c) The Associated Press AP-NY-12-19-97 WASHINGTON (AP) -- Holding that the Clinton administration deliberately misled the court about Hillary Rodham Clinton's health-care task force, a federal judge is ordering the government to pay $285,864 in sanctions. U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth held Thursday that government lawyers directed by high government officials misrepresented the composition of a working group to shield its records from public scrutiny. "The Executive Branch of the government, working in tandem, was dishonest with this court, and the government must now face the consequences of its misconduct," Lamberth said Thursday in a scathing opinion. He ordered the money paid to the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc., which sued the Clinton administration to get access to the task force's deliberations. Courts relied on the Clinton administration's "dishonest explanation" of the working group, Lamberth said. But what he found "most outrageous" was the government's failure to correct the statement when it became clear it was erroneous. "It seems that some government officials never learn that the cover-up can be worse than the underlying conduct," Lamberth said. The White House declined comment. But Justice Department spokesman Bert Brandenburg said, "The government has consistently maintained that sanctions are not appropriate. We disagree with Judge Lamberth's conclusion but we take his opinion seriously. We are reviewing the decision and considering what action is appropriate." The judge found that the erroneous statement, sworn to by White House aide Ira Magaziner, was drafted by high government officials to mislead the court into believing that the working group was exempt from public disclosure of its records. Magaziner, who led the task force that drafted President Clinton's failed health-insurance initiative, swore that "only federal government employees serve as members of the interdepartmental working group" even though many members were not federal employees. "This court is convinced that Mr. Magaziner, and the drafters of his declaration, in an effort to avoid discovery and block live testimony, improperly represented as a fact that all 'members' of the working group were federal employees," the judge wrote. A federal appeals court ruled that because Mrs. Clinton was a de facto full-time government employee the task force was not an advisory commission and its records were not open to public scrutiny. But the panel sent the case back to Lamberth to determine whether the working group Magaziner headed also was exempt from the Federal Advisory Commission Act. "That is when we got in to the trenches firing at each other," recalls Thomas R. Spencer, a Miami lawyer who represented the doctors' group. "They knew if we saw those documents and they complied with discovery we would find out they lied." Lamberth also held that the Clinton administration during that phase of the case had "improperly thwarted ... legitimate discovery requests." The government "thereafter produced a great deal of information, but they still took no steps to correct Mr. Magaziner's sworn deposition," Lamberth said. The false affidavit, Lamberth noted, was drafted by White House lawyers, including the late Vincent Foster, deputy White House counsel. It was also reviewed by then-Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell, who later went to prison for defrauding his former Arkansas law firm and some of its clients. "It is clear that the decisions here were made at the highest levels of government," the judge said. "There were no rogue lawyers here misleading this court." A 1995 criminal investigation initiated at Lamberth's request concluded Magaziner could not be prosecuted for perjury. But the judge concluded that "such dishonesty is sanctionable and was not good faith dealing with the court or plaintiffs' counsel." "But the most outrageous conduct by the government in this case is what happened when it never corrected or updated the Magaziner declaration," Lamberth said. "That was a determination not made individually by Mr. Magaziner, but by the government through its counsel." "Most shocking to this court, and deeply disappointing, is that the Department of Justice would participate in such conduct," said Lamberth, a career Justice Department lawyer before President Reagan appointed him to the federal bench in 1987. "We've been saying there is a cover-up for three years," said Kathryn Serkes, spokeswoman for the physicians' group. "This is a vindication." "What is unfortunate is that the government's misconduct means it costs the taxpayers money." --- [ Shoshona Bieman, Sysop: Shofar BBS _@_ 714-838-3837 ] [ _ Such a nice Messianic Jewish, conservative Gal! _ ] [ MJCN: 30:30/2 _ ShofarBBS@aol.com _ Fido: 1:103/505 ] --- Aeolus v1.2.1 (#49820837) * Origin: Shofar@714-838-3837 Right-Minded in Orange County (1:103/505) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: EGQ00013 Date: 12/19/97 From: SHOSHONA BIEMAN Time: 03:56am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: NAACP Seeks Info on Brown Death Get a load of this, folks... The NAACP is now calling for the investigation into Ron Brown's life to be re-opened: NAACP Seeks Info on Brown Death (c) The Associated Press AP-NY-12-19-97 WASHINGTON (AP) -- A military pathologist's claim that Ron Brown, the late Commerce secretary, may have been shot in the head has led NAACP President Kweisi Mfume to ask the Clinton administration for information about the matter. "The NAACP is very concerned about the ramifications of these allegations and left unanswered and unresolved, they raise serious questions," Mfume wrote in a letter Thursday to Attorney General Janet Reno. "These allegations require an explanation." Government investigators conclude that Brown died from injuries he sustained from an April 1996 plane crash in Croatia. An Air Force pathologist was quoted in reports earlier this month as saying that photographs of Brown's body show a head wound that could have been caused by a bullet from a gunshot. Lt. Col. Steve Cogswell, a deputy medical examiner at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, said the wound should have prompted officials to order an autopsy. Cogswell is now the subject of an internal investigation and under orders not to leave his office area during work hours, according to the Air Force. Mfume also has asked Gen. Henry Shelton, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, for a briefing on the investigation of the crash, which killed 34 other people on the plane in addition to Brown. * "It is clear to me that this issue should not be allowed to fester," Mfume wrote. --- * "It is clear to me that this issue should not be allowed to FOSTER," quips Shoshona. "We must launch a REAL investigation now!" Any comments folks? On the one hand it looks like this could force a deeper investigation into Brown's possible "Fosterization" ... On the other hand, I'm sure the NAACP is looking at this as a racial issue -- which, if an autopsy does confirm the wound as being a bullet-hole, then Brown's death follows the trend/trail of the many mysterious deaths of Klinton Kronies, and is definitely NOT about race... it is, sadly, another example of the cold, heartless vindictive way Klinton's "liabilities" are dealt with. [ Shoshona Bieman, Sysop: Shofar BBS _@_ 714-838-3837 ] [ _ Such a nice Messianic Jewish, conservative Gal! _ ] [ MJCN: 30:30/2 _ ShofarBBS@aol.com _ Fido: 1:103/505 ] --- Aeolus v1.2.1 (#49820837) * Origin: Shofar@714-838-3837 Right-Minded in Orange County (1:103/505)