--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EGQ00001 Date: 12/20/97 From: TERRY MAY Time: 03:28pm \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: OWP Re: _OWP_, Ed Grinnell wrote to Terry May on 20 Dec 97: EG> The point is THEIR DIVISION faded, not just Oakland. During the last 4 EG> weeks, KC's divisional opponents have faded *out of their division* EG> and KC has dropped from the top to a tie for 5th. I don't dispute that. My original point was that you suggested the Raiders meltdown last week dropped KC's opponents' record, and I said it made no difference, because the opponent was the Seahawks, another divisional opponent. To wit: EG> KC's dropped to 4th but that has more to do with teams in their EG> division taking their lumps in the last weeks (Like the Raiduhs, who EG> blew an 18 point lead). ... I am Bjorn of Borg. Wimbledon is irrelevant. --- JetMail 1.00alpha0 * Origin: Terry.May@rebel.ronly.org - Las Vegas, Nevada (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EGQ00002 Date: 12/19/97 From: BARRY LAWS, JR. Time: 11:14pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Future baseball expansion... Have any cities been considered for future Major League Baseball expansion? If so, which ones? The only ones I can think of are Vancouver (I bet a Vancouver MLB team could have a rivalry with Seattle), Portland (someone said that the fan support would be there, but the money would not), Las Vegas (maybe call them the Las Vegas Bandits), San Jose (someone tried to buy the SF Giants and move them to SJ), Indianapolis (I guess the RCA Dome could house a baseball team), Orlando, Jacksonville, either Nashville or Memphis, either Lynchberg VA or Washington DC (isn't the new Washington Redskins stadium supposed to be in Lynchberg), and maybe New Jersey. BTW I heard a REAL funny prediction in Weekly World News last year, and that "blonde" "psychic" predicted that George Steinbrenner would move the New York Yankees to Huntington, West Virginia. :-) --- Telegard v3.02 * Origin: The Steiner Line BBS 910-626-7985 (1:3648/6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EGQ00003 Date: 12/19/97 From: DAVID G. RIESS Time: 11:47am \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Top Five Football Games Having confronted Dr. All, Ed Grinnell, International Man Of Mystery, exclaimed: EG> Since many of you weren't even alive when that happened, let's try EG> this: pick YOUR most memorable game. To make it easier to be objective, EG> there are two types of games that you can pick, the most memorable game EG> involving your favorite team and the the most memorable game not EG> involving them. Heck, you can even make it a top 5 of each category.:-) EG> Mine, involving Dallas: EG> 1. Pittsburgh 35, Dallas 31 - Huh? Hey, I didn't say that your EG> favorite team had to win. This game had it all, including Jackie EG> Smith's drop of a TD pass that would turn into a FG that was the EG> difference in the final margin. This game just fell out of my top ten last year, one of the few NFL games I've found really entertaining. My number one also features my team on the losing side. EG> 5. Buffalo 41, Houston 38 - Another painful overtime loss for Oiler EG> fans. A 35-3 lead in the 3rd quarter is wasted and the Bills had EG> overcome an NFL record 32 point deficit and it would take a win by the EG> Houston Rockets for the city to lose the "Choke City" tag. This could have made my list if I had actually seen it. I do recall however being at a hockey game featuring our old minor team the Hamilton Canucks. They gave regular updates of the score throughout the game and everybody gasped as the final score was announced. Anyway here is my top five, I won't divide it into home team non-home team lists: 1) Saskatchewan 43 Hamilton 40, 1989 Grey Cup at The Skydome in Toronto, Nov. 26, 1989. Picked by most observers as the greatest CFL game ever played. 2) Hamilton 42 Toronto 25, Eastern Final Game 2 at Exhibition Place in Toronto, Nov. 23, 1986. Toronto went into the game with 14 point lead in the total points series and had built up a 26 point lead by the end of the first quarter. Hamilton came back and won the total point series 59-56. Okay technically I didn't actually watch the game, but listened to it on the radio while I delivered pizzas, but I nearly went off the road several times when the Ti-Cats came back, making this very memorable. 3) Calgary 55 Hamilton 48, at McMahon Stadium in Calgary, Oct. 17, 1982. One of the highest CFL scoring games ever, with Tom Clements at the helm of the Ti-Cats. 4) Edmonton 38 Toronto 36, 1987 Grey Cup at BC Place in Vancouver, Nov. 29, 1987. Was considered the greatest game until the '89 classic. 5) University of Western Ontario 50 University Of Saskatchewan 40 in OT, 1994 Vanier Cup, at The Skydome in Toronto, Nov. 19, 1994. The only Vanier Cup (the national university football championship in Canada) to go into overtime. Saskatchewan rallies from an 18 point deficit to take the lead late. Western is forced to kick a FG on the last play to send into overtime. In OT a FG and a punt return TD gives the championship. Sincerely Yours David G. Riess EchoCanadianFootballGhod ... Mr. Data, what do you mean by `Oh boy'? --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR] * Origin: BEAVER KEEPER BBS (1:244/442) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EGQ00004 Date: 12/19/97 From: DAVID G. RIESS Time: 05:05pm \/To: BARRY LAWS, JR. (Read 0 times) Subj: Carolina Hurricanes Having confronted Dr. All, Barry Laws, Jr., International Man Of Mystery, exclaimed: BLJ> Why do I have a sinking feeling that the BLJ> Carolina Hurricanes will be the biggest disaster in the NHL since the BLJ> California Golden Seals? Or at least since the Kansas City Scouts..... Sincerely Yours David G. Riess EchoHockeyGhod ... If women don't find you handsome, they should find you handy-Red Green --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR] * Origin: BEAVER KEEPER BBS (1:244/442) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EGQ00005 Date: 12/19/97 From: DAVID G. RIESS Time: 07:25pm \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Baseball Having confronted Dr. All, Ed Grinnell, International Man Of Mystery, exclaimed: EG> had something to talk about. You go to an NBA, NFL or NHL game, you EG> don't have as much time to sit back and enjoy the game or your company EG> but you do at a baseball game. EG> The first thing that happens is that find yourself either "dressing EG> down" before you go to the park or unbuttoning your top button and EG> removing your tie because you've got to be comfortable for the next 2-3 EG> hours. Maybe you've paid for a scorebook or you've brought your own and ...... A nice little essay but it's really not much different from my own experiences going to Ti-Cat or Bulldogs games, though CFL and AHL rather than major league, and little yellow promotional footballs and pucks rather than baseballs. Only this past did my experiences at football games were negative, not because the team was 2-16 or that I couldn't sit back and enjoy the game but because I had to sit near a group of people that whined the entire season and constantly showed their ignorance of the game. I suspect that if you had to sit next to those people at baseball game your enjoyment of America's pastime would diminish significantly. Sincerely Yours David G. Riess EchoSportsMonger ... 1869-1994: 125 years of football in Hamilton. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR] * Origin: BEAVER KEEPER BBS (1:244/442) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EGQ00006 Date: 12/20/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 08:39am \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 0 times) Subj: OWP Terry May was thrown for a loss after he said: TM> That's what I meant. The Raiders fading down the stretch neither hurt TM> nor helped KC's opponents' winning percentage. The point is THEIR DIVISION faded, not just Oakland. During the last 4 weeks, KC's divisional opponents have faded *out of their division* and KC has dropped from the top to a tie for 5th. Here's how the divisional opponents of the 4 teams above them did outside of their division during the last 4 weeks (as well as KC's division). W- L Jax 7- 3 TB 6- 3 St. L 8- 2 Caro 8- 2 KC 0- 7 That's right -- 0 and 7 during the last 4 weeks. Fade city for the AFC West and only KC did anything outside of their division. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: On the 7th day, God created the Dallas Cowboys (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EGQ00007 Date: 12/09/97 From: DAVID G. RIESS Time: 05:02pm \/To: LUKAS TSCHANNETT (Read 0 times) Subj: NHL Stats Having confronted Dr. All, Lukas Tschannett, International Man Of Mystery, exclaimed: LT> You all know NHL trading-cards, me too - but I've one question: LT> What does the *Plus/Minus* on the back of the cards mean. It's very simple, it's the total number of goals scored by a player's team while he was on the ice, minus the total number of goals scored by the opposition while he was on the ice. A minus number indicates the player is a very lousy defensive player. LT> Please answer in simple english, because.....look at my FIDO-POINT :) LT> ! Origin: Lochau am Bodensee (2:318/6.27) I guessing you to be Czech? Follow much European hockey? What are your opinions on the upcoming Olympic tournament? Sincerely Yours David G. Riess EchoHockeyGhod ... Operator halted! Startrek's on! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR] * Origin: BEAVER KEEPER BBS (1:244/442) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EGQ00008 Date: 12/11/97 From: DAVID G. RIESS Time: 05:05pm \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Idea for NFL realignment saying: Having confronted Dr. David, Ed Grinnell, International Man Of Mystery, exclaimed: DGR> Actually the goods seats are usually about $30-$35. EG> You must be talking NFL exhibition because I can't think of a CFL team EG> being that stupid (Of course, given the relatively few fans going to EG> the games, that *could* be a factor). For NFL games, that's CHEAP. Well the payroll of a CFL team is low, with a salary cap of about $2.1 million and say add about $1.9 million for additional cost and have a budget of about $4 million all need is about 20,000 fans at average ticket price of about $20 and you have your costs covered. The top season ticket package for the Ticats is about $375 or about $37.50 a game. Obviously the need to keep fans coming to the games keeps the cost down. Sincerely Yours David G. Riess EchoCanadianFootballGhod ... "Still no help for the Klingon." --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR] * Origin: BEAVER KEEPER BBS (1:244/442) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EGQ00009 Date: 12/16/97 From: DAVID G. RIESS Time: 04:24pm \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Goonball? saying: Having confronted Dr. David, Ed Grinnell, International Man Of Mystery, exclaimed: DGR> today. It's only a matter of time before I go for a coaching DGR> certificate. EG> Excuse me? I'm sorry but several of the coaches that I know are stupid EG> as hell and don't even know the rules of the games that they're EG> coaching. Don't equate that certificate with anything of value. I know little of American standards, but without the passing the NCCP here in Canada I can not coach any sport. The NCCP requires me to understand the basics of the game, the ability to teach it to others, and to prepare those players for the next step in their sporting career. The standards up here are very stringent for coaches. If you are as truly knowledgeable about sports why aren't you coaching in order to challenge yourself as well as give young minds some of your experience? DGR> Odd considering the '70s was the time of the bench clearing brawls DGR> (which were eliminated in the early '80s) and the record setting PIMs DGR> that it took 20 years for you to be fed up with it. EG> Maybe you should read what I wrote instead of reading INTO it. I was EG> fed up with it LONG AGO. It's only been recently that I cut off nearly EG> all my ties to the NHL (and that consists of knowing who won the EG> Stanley Cup). Pure semantics. Either way you still kept watching. Why were you torturing yourself? DGR> You're I'm going to disagree, surely you didn't think they kept DGR> John Ferguson for his playing ability? EG> PUHleeze. Compared to the rest of the teams in the NHL, these guys EG> were sissies. Toronto had more goons in a couple of years than EG> Montreal had in a decade. Montreal sissies? Hah! Don Cherry tells a different story and he had to coach against those guys! DGR> The Flyers would not have won those cups had they also not had DGR> superb talent in the likes Bobby Clarke, Reggie Leach, and Bernie DGR> Parent. EG> AND the intimidation factor. Parent made up for a hell of a lot. That EG> team had talent but it wasn't as talented as others (If it was, they EG> wouldn't have needed the goons). Not as talented? In addition to the above players I mentioned they also had Bill Barber, Rick MacLeish, Gary Dornhoffer, and blue line corps that consisted of Moose Dupont, and the Watson brothers Jimmy and Joe. But you need the toughness to go with the talent. Look at Colorado last year, they traded away Chris Simon and they got pushed around by Detroit in the semi-finals. If your best players can't be the best players then you can't win. The Flyers for two years had the talent to win and the toughness to back it up, after the talent faded all they were was tough and that took them nowhere. Not such a black and white issue is it? DGR> I know doesn't count.) There you go, your argument isn't without DGR> merit from a dry statistical point of view. EG> Dry, statistical point of view, my fanny. It's valid from every angle Sorry your fanny is not a valid discussion point... EG> available. The game's had too many goons for my tastes and that's why EG> I don't give a rat's butt about the NHL. I think that a league has its So why whine about it? Besides how can you claim their are too many goons if you don't watch it? Where are you stats to back up your point? EG> priorities screwed up when it hands out a 1/2 season suspension for EG> someone who has been popped for drugs but doesn't give the same kind EG> of penalty to someone who carves up another player like a steak. Oh, I see, I thought you hated the fighting, in fact you hate the high sticking, the slashing, the spearing. Well who the hell does? Using your stick is not being tough, it's being a weasel, and the only effective way of taking care of weasels is to pop them one, because they sure don't give a rat's butt about suspensions. BTW only two players have ever been suspended for drug use Bob Probert (twice) and Grant Fuhr and both players where given a year's suspension for each offense. Sincerely Yours David G. Riess EchoDonCherry ... The android's head is off! Insufficient Data! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR] * Origin: BEAVER KEEPER BBS (1:244/442) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EGQ00010 Date: 12/16/97 From: DAVID G. RIESS Time: 09:46pm \/To: BARRY LAWS, JR. (Read 0 times) Subj: Canadian Baseball Barry Laws, Jr.? *** Having confronted Dr. David, Barry Laws, Jr., International Man Of Mystery, exclaimed: DGR> also allow baseball to play there. As for a nickname, I'm rather DGR> fond of their PCL name, the Canadians.... BLJ> PCL as in the Pacific Coast League (AAA)? I wonder what they would do Yesseree Bob! er...Barry! BLJ> with their AAA team if they ever got a major league baseball team BLJ> (probably move it somewhere). The only other cities I can think of Undoubtedly, though in hockey the Philadelphia Flyers moved their farm team to the Spectrum just across the street from their new arena and both draw well even when their going head to head. Chicago, Los Angeles, Phoenix and Detroit also have minor league teams in addition to their NHL clubs. Ottawa, Toronto, Edmonton, and Calgary all co-exist with junior hockey clubs. OTOH I can't think of any baseball examples. BLJ> that could use a major league baseball team are Washington (of course BLJ> the Senators failed twice so fans would probably be skeptical unless BLJ> they move some ailing National League team to Washington...that way BLJ> the Orioles would be in the AL and the Senators(?) would be in the BLJ> NL...the Senators [the original and the most recent] were AL), BLJ> Nashville or Memphis, San Jose [remember they tried to move the SF BLJ> Giants there], Las Vegas [do they have a MLB-quality stadium], and BLJ> maybe Portland. Carolina seems to be a popular destination for sport clubs in recent years and would have to be considered, ditto with Nashville. It's still a crime that Washington doesn't have a team (the most recent expansion bid had picked the Nationals as their moniker.) San Jose would be too close to San Fran, Memphis with their poor support of the Oilers might be a bad choice and Las Vegas really would need an indoor stadium. If MLB wants to continue to expand they might want to look outside English North America. San Juan, Puerto Rico would be a good spot as would Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic and certainly Guadalajara, Mexico City, and Monterrey in Mexico would all make could choices. Personally I can't wait for the London Kings to start playing... Sincerely Yours David G. Riess EchoMr.Geography ... I'm sorry, Dave, I can't let you do that. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR] * Origin: BEAVER KEEPER BBS (1:244/442)