--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EEQ00002 Date: 10/20/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 07:57pm \/To: DAVE NEUMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Greed The 49ers traded Dave Neuman to the Jets for saying: DN> Indeed.. they'd probably be suffering along, making mere 50 and 60 DN> million dollar contracts, rather than 100 million.. The millions are an offshoot of free agency, which was a hard fought battle. Without free agency, the players would be making far less than 50 or 60 million, they'd probably have packages that are less than $5 mil in total cost while the owners would be picking up quite a bit more profit because of it. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Jerry Jones is the Anti-Christ (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EEQ00003 Date: 10/18/97 From: DARNLEY SMALL Time: 02:24pm \/To: CHRIS OGNIBEN (Read 0 times) Subj: tennis CO> not sure she will win it. If there are any other people in here that CO> are tennis fans and been following the US OPEN please reply to this CO> message and lets talk about all that we seen. Tennis fan here, try looking in the tennis echo. ... "They call them a Royale with Cheese"-Vincent Vega, Pulp Fiction:-) --- FMail 1.20 * Origin: Reggie's BBS Bomaderry NSW Australia +61 02 4421-0720 (3:624/220) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EEQ00004 Date: 10/19/97 From: DONALD ROBINSON Time: 06:22am \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: What's wrong with the Pokes? EG> The Cowboys problems aren't just one person, it's a combination of problems I agree fully, The cowboy's REALLY ned Novachek back, Excellent Tight end...I heard that Jay was on the Injured reserved list.....Anyhow, Emmit has not been playing well as he could be.....Agreed that with big ole Nate out, there's less yardage per play, meaning that Emmitt has no place to run. And Deion Sanders has been playing VERY well l8ly, but there's still a missing piece with Jay......{:( --- GEcho 1.02+ * Origin: Joe's Garage BBS (203) 635-6569 - Middletown,CT - (1:320/635) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EEQ00005 Date: 10/20/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 07:55am \/To: DAVE NEUMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Greed Dave was hit by a Randy Johnson fastball for uttering: DN> time I'd reached my stop, we had 6 or 7 people in the bus involved DN> in the conversation. Just about anything that they said was merely lip synchs of what the media had been saying prior to that. This *greed* argument has been going on for a long time and it's only the occasional article that pops up in SI or USA Today that makes it seem like something recent. Many of these guys that are in their 50s and 60s were taking *greed* pot shots at the very same people that they are holding up to the younger generation as examples of all that was good in "their day." (Ted Williams has always blamed one Boston writer for him not getting an MVP or two when in fact, he wasn't the only one critical of Ted. This vendetta that he has against the guy has made it seem like only one writer *hated* him and those others are off the hook. They didn't vote against him, however, they did write articles that were critical of him). DN> Then explain player strikes. Players strikes are just like any strike. If you look at the older players and their constant whining about their pension and some of them are taking shots at the younger players for being so greedy that they won't help them out when in fact, it was management that is the source of their problems. The older players were scared by management not to form unions and management screwed them out of any kind of benefits. There are guys that have played before the 1950s that got NO benefits until their case was taken up by guys like Joe Garagiola and BATS or others in other sports. The strikes have forced management into giving the player benefits, relinquishing licensing rights, back benefits for older players (Oh, man, Stern and the owners really played the old players for all they were worth. They did everything to make the old players think that the younger guys were screwing them with their actions in the last labor agreement and some of the old fools took the bait and sided with management and came out publicly against the players. The PLAYERS were the ones that forced management into giving up the money that they were to the older players but Stern made them see it as the other way around and they spoke out in total belief that the players were screwing the "legends" of the game. In that last NBA action, which nearly resulted in decertification of the union ala the NFL, the PLAYERS compromised in every situation and management wasn't satisfied and they kept going back to the players to get them to compromise more. Once they had the old guys on their side, they really got down and went back for more) and many of the things that you might take for granted at work. Management is required by law to pay into workman's comp and they fight every case tooth and nail when in fact, these former players weren't even helped by the team when they were injured (The Cowboys have several players from the past who never got the medical attention they needed and their claims against WC are being challenged by Jerry Jones, even though Jones never paid one cent toward their comp claims). The strikes have tried to address many of these grievances and not some kind of frivilous items as some people might dream up about what the players want. If it weren't for strikes and work stoppages, the players wouldn't have never gotten free agency or higher salaries and while management would have been keeping twice as much as they do, the players would have still be seen as greedy (For crying out loud, when management was taking 65-70% of the total revenue, fans were still moaning about the greedy players when they were holding out for $500-$1000 a year. The older fans may have *forgotten* that fact but it's true). --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Jerry Jones is the Anti-Christ (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EEQ00006 Date: 10/19/97 From: DAVE NEUMAN Time: 10:51pm \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Greed ->What's trivial to you is millions of dollars to them. The more ->money at stake, the more divided the battle lines become, not the ->other way around. But they already *have* millions.. and they need more? I know that's a really blunt way of putting it, but I think it's what it boils down to for the average fan.. and admittedly, myself. -*- TurboEDIT v1.60a+ [MSP96] --- Ezycom V1.48g0 01fa0167 * Origin: Milky Way, Langley, BC [604] 532-4367 (1:153/307) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EEQ00007 Date: 10/19/97 From: DAVE NEUMAN Time: 10:52pm \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Greed ->Trivial details? I think that you've missed the importance of some ->of those srikes AND those *almost* strikes. If it wasn't for these ->stoppages and near stoppages, the players wouldn't have the kind ->of benefits and freedoms that they enjoy today. Indeed.. they'd probably be suffering along, making mere 50 and 60 million dollar contracts, rather than 100 million.. -*- TurboEDIT v1.60a+ [MSP96] --- Ezycom V1.48g0 01fa0167 * Origin: Milky Way, Langley, BC [604] 532-4367 (1:153/307) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EER00000 Date: 10/15/97 From: MARIANO MENDEZ Time: 10:34pm \/To: PAUL ROMINE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Redskins Rosario, Argentina. Hi Paul ! 14-Oct-97 08:25:00, Paul Romine wrote to Donald Robinson Subject: Re: Redskins DR>> JH> Go Skins!!! DR>> DR>> GO COWBOYS! PR> PR> Skins won.... bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! And Cowboys suck!!!!!! -- See ya -- Mariano. --- Terminate 4.00/Pro * Origin: "The story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye" 4:904/99.6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EES00000 Date: 10/22/97 From: JOE DRAVES Time: 05:18pm \/To: BARRY LAWS, JR. (Read 0 times) Subj: Carolina Hurricanes BL]Why do I have a sinking feeling that the Carolina Hurricanes will be the biggest disaster in the NHL since the California Golden Seals --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Alberta Genealogy BBS (1:342/5013) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EES00001 Date: 10/22/97 From: JOE DRAVES Time: 05:23pm \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Carolina Hurricanes -> BL> Why do I have a sinking feeling that the Carolina Hurricanes will be -> BL> the biggest disaster in the NHL since the California Golden Seals? -> They sure had a lot of people dressed up as empty seats in the their game -> against the Kings. That is true, but the story doesnt end with the kings. Their barn is almost always empty, if it ever fills it will not be for the sake of the Hurricanes, rather the opposing team that the fans want to see. It can be more accurately stated that the Carolina Hurricanes will be the biggest dissastor in the NHL since the Hartford Whalers. --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Alberta Genealogy BBS (1:342/5013) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: EES00002 Date: 10/22/97 From: JOE DRAVES Time: 05:24pm \/To: DAVE HASSLER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Carolina Hurricanes -> Go LEAFS! Please!!! When will Toronto Get a professional Hockey team anyways? --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Alberta Genealogy BBS (1:342/5013)