--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DER00001 Date: 10/21/96 From: KARL WAHLBERG Time: 07:50pm \/To: RICH WOODS (Read 1 times) Subj: Sheer lunacy. Greetings, Rich. 19 Oct 96 07:40, Rich Woods wrote to Karl Wahlberg: RW> You're really getting into civil liberties for which there is an echo. Yes. Sorry. RW> So let's get YOUR thoughts on 215........ I would rather have a FULL legalization bill up. However, "stealth" bill (and I do think it is), or not, I think 215 is a step in the right direction. The lawsuits it will bring up should prove good forums for the fight at bare minimum! Karl |-> __________________________________________________________________________ FidoNet: Karl Wahlberg 1:202/353 | LoraBBS Support | Team OS/2 Internet: OBlocal@ibm.net | http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1786/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- LoraBBS-OS/2 v2.41b3+ * Origin: A Warped User @ SandOS Local San Diego BBS 619-225-8173 1:202/353) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DER00002 Date: 10/21/96 From: DENNIS MUMMERT Time: 08:13pm \/To: RICH WOODS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Drug Legalization RW>Also in Canada where the price of cigarettes is $5 a pack mob smuggling RW>of cigs is commonplace and turf wars are erupting there (or have been RW>there for quite some time.) The same thing will happen here, and on a larger scale, when the nazis have their sway in Congress. Smoking will be on a controlled substance ticket, and blackmarket will primarily benefit. Hell, I'm even thinking about investing 10 or 15 k$ in a tractor-trailer load of Marlboros myself. RW>Great when you are really ADDICTED to a product and HAVE to have it. As RW>a former cig smoker I tried quitting SCORES of times. Just about to take that step again. BTW - did you fix up that little problem with the mailer robot thinking this was a dead echo again? --- Ezycom V1.10 * Origin: TechNet-1 Prime - An Engineering Syst (1:110/515) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DES00000 Date: 10/21/96 From: RICH WOODS Time: 4:55 am \/To: PHIL PATTENGALE (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Mj Science Summary (2) In a message dated 20 Oct 96 21:53:47, Phil Pattengale wrote: -> In any event (was it Car & Driver?) who did a study a number of -> years ago and mj intoxicated drivers drove BETTER than when they -> were stoned (pun intended) cold sober. PP> Actually, I think it was the parent corp of Consumer Reports who did PP> the driver test. OK - thanks for the clarification. PP> And that you do remember correctly, the stoned drivers were the PP> safest, followed by the sober drivers, with the drunks doing the worst. PP> Course, what they didn't tell you is that the stoned drivers took 3 PP> hours to drive the 1/2 mile course. 8-) Hahahahah - VERY good! --- DLG Pro v1.15/PDQMail v2.60 * Origin: I Didn't Inhale-Honest! Origin-White House, Washington DC (1:209/245) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DES00001 Date: 10/20/96 From: DANN TODD Time: 03:15pm \/To: HAROLD BLACKMON (Read 1 times) Subj: Drug Legalization Quoth Harold Blackmon to Larry Pickens on 10-17-96 05:30 HB> I mean...how many Americans,or anyone else,has been murdered over the HB> price of Cigs or alchohol!? My favorite story on this subject is about a convenience store that my wife managed a while back. Right after Michigan upped the cigarette tax by a significant amount ($.75 per pack) her store was hit 4 times in three weeks. It had never happened before. It seems that smuggling and theft of cigarettes is on the rise because government has increased to cost to make smuggling and theft worthwhile options. Regards, Dann ... __Free Country __Drug Free Country Choose One. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Blue Wave v2.12 * Origin: The Hideaway! - Light up or leave me alone - (1:2330/4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DES00002 Date: 10/21/96 From: DARR HOAG Time: 04:18am \/To: RICH WOODS (Read 1 times) Subj: Weekly ELWRN posting (5-month echo warni04:18:0710/21/96 * Cross-posted reply to msg originally in Z1_BACKBONE Hi Rich, *** On 20 Oct 96 07:00, Echolist Robot did say (to All,) this: > If your echo is listed here, it means that on the first day of this > month, your echo was flagged in the Elist with a DELETE WARNING, > indicating that the echo will be deleted from the Elist at month's end > if the listing is not updated this month. > [lots deleted] > NORML 07 Apr 96 by Rich Woods, 1:209/245 > [lots more deleted] Just a reminder. (*8 ... Hemp paper saves trees! (or would, if it were legal!!) --- Blue Wave/386 v2.30 * Origin: The Hideaway! - Light up or leave me alone - (1:2330/4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DES00003 Date: 10/05/96 From: DUNCAN LEAF Time: 05:40pm \/To: L P (Read 1 times) Subj: Vaporizer V. 1.0 RE: Vaporizer V. 1.0 BY: L P to All on Thu Sep 19 1996 07:33 am > Vapourizing > > REASONS FOR VAPOURIZING: > > > *Activation of THC acids in cannabis (decarboxylation); this occurs > at around 103 degrees Celcius with vapourization at around 180-200 > degrees. Smoking performs this process but is reported to destroy > between 40 and 98% of the THC (Korte, Miras etc.*). > > *The 'smoke' is much cooler and easier in the lungs. > > *The high is subtly different from that obtained with other methods. > > *The higher efficiency saves you money. > > * from _The Botany and Chemistry of Cannabis_, Joyce and Curry > (1970) The vaporizer is really good. It's effiecient and it's easier on the ungs. Though I can't say I notice much difference in the high. Everyone should try it if they haven't because I think they'll like it a lot better. Also you an order them from some companies now if you don't want to build your own. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: PC Bellingham (360)734-1193 Bellingham, Washington (1:3401/300) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DES00004 Date: 10/22/96 From: DAVID CREW Time: 02:42pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Hey.... .....anyone get motivated when they choke it and listen to music. Somethin with a fast beat. Well, just wonderin. L8s. /\/\ 00 NIBLET \__/ --- WWIVGate 1.12c * Origin: Dragon's Dreams [619-562-3928] (1:202/1318) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DES00005 Date: 10/22/96 From: L P Time: 10:19pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Republicans For Mariju(1) Republicans for Proposition 215 http://www.majority.com For Immediate Release: October 21, 1996 Contact: Eric Garris (408) 733-4350 Republicans Endorse Proposition 215 for Medical Marijuana George Schultz, Milton Friedman, Fullerton Mayor Among Supporters Richard Brookhiser's motives for supporting Proposition 215, the medical marijuana measure, are not strictly political. As Senior Editor of the conservative magazine National Review, Brookhiser believes that politicians and police should not interfere with the medical decisions reached by doctors and patients. But as a recovering cancer patient, Brookhiser found medical marijuana to be a lifesaver. "I support the use of medical marijuana because of my politics, but I'm also for it because I've had to use it," said Brookhiser. He turned to marijuana to fight the nausea caused by chemotherapy. "None of my doctors or nurses at New York University Medical Center or Memorial Sloan-Kettering discouraged me from doing this. They had all had patients who had used marijuana to fight nausea and who had reported good results. I had good results too. Because of the marijuana, my last two courses of chemotherapy were almost nausea- free." Brookhiser is urging his fellow Republicans to support Proposition 215. "God forbid that anyone should ever need chemotherapy, but statistics tell us that many of us will. Let me assure you that however you vote, if that moment comes to you, you will turn to marijuana. Extend that liberty to your fellow citizens." Brookhiser joins a growing list of notable Republicans who have defied their party's leadership by supporting Prop. 215. Recent endorsements for the measure include former U.S. Secretary of State George Schultz, Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman, Fullerton Mayor Chris Norby, and former gubernatorial hopeful Ron Unz. The conservative daily newspaper, the Orange County Register, was an early endorser of the intiative before it even qualified for the ballot. Schultz, former Secretary of State under President Reagan, endorsed Proposition 215 and gave a $1000 contribution to the committee supporting what he termed, "this important measure." Friedman, an economic advisor to several Republican presidents, said he "strongly supported the proposal." Silicon Valley entrepreneur Unz said, "It seems absurd and ridiculous that currently such doctors can freely prescribe far more dangerous and addictive, while being unable to provide their patients with marijuana." Fullerton Mayor Chris Norby said he was "surprised" that more of his GOP colleagues had retreated from this popular issue. The Orange County Register, flagship newspaper for the conservative county's Republicans, editorialized in June, "the evidence is quite strong that at least some patients with cancer, AIDS, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis and other diseases can receive benefits from marijuana that are not available from other medications. It is only humane to allow them -- in consultation with their physicians -- to use it legally." Several Republican candidates for office and local Republican clubs have endorsed the medical marijuana measure. But the number of elected officials of either party supporting Prop. 215 is small. Despite polls showing it leading by 20 or more points, most politicians have retreated from taking a stand on the measure either way. "Several Republican office-holders and candidates have told me privately that they support the measure, but will not publicly endorse it," said Eric Garris, director of Republicans for Proposition 215. "There has been intense pressure brought to bear on GOP candidates to not support the proposition by Governor Wilson, Attorney General Lungren, and Assembly Speaker Curt Pringle. These candidates and officials have been warned that they can expect to have their supply of campaign money cut off if they support 215." The biggest contributors against Prop. 215 are police union PACs, who are also among the biggest supporters of Republican candidates. "I was told that there was no way I could count on national Republican Party funding if I openly support Prop. 215," said Justin Raimondo, GOP nominee for Congress from San Francisco. "I have rarely seen such intense pressure regarding a ballot measure on the part of the party leadership. However, I did not feel I could abandon my principles on this important issue. I strongly urge everyone to support 215, regardless of the political consequences," Raimondo said. The World Wide Web address for Republicans for Proposition 215 is http://www.majority.com. ### --==<<< Continued next message >>>==-- --- RBBSMail/386 v1.0 * Origin: Who's Askin'? 61 deg. 25'N / 149 deg. 40'W (1:17/75.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DES00006 Date: 10/22/96 From: L P Time: 10:19pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Republicans For Mariju(2) --==<<< Continued from previous message >>>==-- Eric Garris egarris@majority.com --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 * Origin: Who's Askin'? 61 deg. 25'N / 149 deg. 40'W (1:17/75.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DES00007 Date: 10/22/96 From: L P Time: 10:50pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Growing Indoors (1) From: Sputnik Drug Information Zone http://www.nepenthes.xo.com/ Indoor Marijuana Cultivation "Greetings. This is a pamphlet that I typed up from a handwritten copy that I received a couple years ago. I've just finished typing it in but there's still some proofreading to do. While there are still a few typos in here, I would like to post it to alt.drugs. With the anon server gone, I'm hesitant to do this however. Call me a coward or paranoid, but I just don't feel comfortable posting something like this with with my name on it. If you could, would you post this to alt.drugs for me? I don't want credit for it, but I think its a decent pamphlet worthy of posting, especially the section on lighting. Tell them its from an anonymous source or take credit yourself if you like, it's not important to me. Also, let me know what you think of the file, I honestly don't know how valid some of this information is. When typing it in I edited out a couple paragraphs of truly absurd advice so I'm sort of suspect about the rest of the file (but it sounds good at least). I also added the editor's note at the end." Indoor Marijuana Cultivation Introduction: Growing marijuana indoors is fast becoming an American Pastime. The reasons are varied. With the increased interest and experimentation in house plant cultivation, it was inevitable that people would apply their knowledge of plant care to growing marijuana. Many of those who occasionally like to light up a joint may find it difficult to locate a source or are hesitant to deal with a perhaps unsavory element of society in procuring their grass. There is, of course, the criminal aspect of buying or selling grass; Growing marijuana is just as illegal as buying, selling, or smoking it, but growing is something you can do in the privacy of your own home without having to deal with someone you don't know or trust. The best reason for growing your own is the enjoyment you will get out of watching those tiny little seeds you picked out of you stash sprout and become some of the most lovely and lush of all house plants. Anyone Can Do It Even if you haven't had any prior experience with growing plants in you home, you can have a successful crop of marijuana by following the simple directions in this pamphlet. If you have had problems in the past with marijuana cultivation, you may find the solutions in the following chapters. Growing a marijuana plant involves four basic steps: * Get the seeds. If you don't already have some, you can ask you friends to save you seeds out of any good grass they may come across. You'll find that lots of people already have a seed collection of some sort and are willing to part with a few prime seeds in exchange for some of the finished product. * Germinate the seeds. You can simply drop a seed into moist soil, but by germinating the seeds first you can be sure that the seed will indeed produce a plant. To germinate seeds, place a group of them between about six moist paper towels, or in the pores of a moist sponge. Leave the towels or sponge moist but not soaking wet. Some seeds will germinate in 24 hours while others may take several days or even a week. * Plant the sprouts. As soon as a seed cracks open and begins to sprout, place it on some moist soil and sprinkle a little soil over the top of it. * Supply the plants with light. Flourescent lights are the best. Hang the lights with two inches of the soil and after the plants appear above the ground, continue to keep the lights with two inches of the plants. It is as easy as that. If you follow those four steps you will grow a marijuana plant. To ensure prime quality and the highest yield in the shortest time period, however, a few details are necessary. Soil Your prime concern, after choosing high quality seeds, is the soil. Use the best soil you can get. Scrimping on the soil doesn't pay off in the long run. If you use unsterilized soil you will almost certainly find parasites in it, probably after it is too late to transplant your marijuana. You can find excellent soil for sale at your local plant shop or nursery, K-Mart, Wal Mart, and even some grocery stores. The soil you use should have these properties for the best possible results: --==<<< Continued next message >>>==-- --- RBBSMail/386 v1.0 * Origin: Who's Askin'? 61 deg. 25'N / 149 deg. 40'W (1:17/75.0)