--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DEM00001 Date: 10/17/96 From: HAROLD BLACKMON Time: 05:30am \/To: LARRY PICKENS (Read 1 times) Subj: Drug Legalization LP>CC>What are the current sellers of drugs going to do for LP>CC>money?!? I imagine they'll just go out and steal to LP>CC>make up for their lack of income, so the crime rate LP>CC>will go up, thus offsetting any hoped-for reduction in LP>CC>crime... LP>I would like to point out that the two types of crimes in question are LP>vastly different. In the case of dealing drugs both the distributor and LP>recipient are engaging in a criminal activity; therefore, it is unlikely LP>that either is going to file a criminal report. In the case of theft LP>only one (give or take a few) of the individuals is a willing party to LP>the transaction. Someone will likely file a report. As you should be LP>able to see the latter is a much riskier proposition. They should be LP>eliminated through attrition. Many opponents of Legalization would argue that the free distribution of drugs or the use of drugs themselves would cause more deaths of the youths of this country...but they should be reminded that it's not drugs that are causing youths to commit murders,it's the PRICE of drugs that cause these crimes. I mean...how many Americans,or anyone else,has been murdered over the price of Cigs or alchohol!? --- OLXWin 1.00a All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound? --- Renegade v5-11 Exp * Origin: The Watering Hole *Take The Plunge!* (713)895-8356 (1:106/35) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DEM00002 Date: 10/17/96 From: HAROLD BLACKMON Time: 05:30am \/To: HOWARD CONAWAY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Norml News 09/19/ 01/ HC>=> While poring over Re: Norml News 09/19/96 (3), James Prior said to L HC> JP> One question about this allowing people to grow Mary-Jane for medical HC> JP> purposes....seems to me that there is already a way for those medical HC> JP> patients who really are prescribed the smoke to get it, legally. ood HC> JP> old Uncle Sam grows the stuff for patients in Military and VA HC> JP> hospitals. HC> We could REALLY use some more info on this program! All the public HC> knows about is the IND - Compassionate Use program, which is limited to HC> eight (8) recipients. HC> And if it is a prescription for pain and suffering, anyone HC> JP> can get it....and no hassle once they proove that the prescription is HC> JP> for them, and not stolen or copied from soneone elses. HC> This is ALSO news to me - could you tell us more? I'm aware that HC> Marinol is available to those with certain dehibilitating illnesses, but, HC> "smokable" marijuana? HC> JP> Fact of the matter is, I am one who has been smoking the stuff for HC> JP> years until about a year ago. It just didn't seem to help any after HC> JP> awhile, and I gotta be honest, the stuff Uncle Sam grows is top otch, HC> JP> class a, grade A-1 pot!!. Now I just stay high on pills....the pain HC> JP> the head gets so heavy at times my nose, Right eye socket and ears il HC> JP> start to bleed. HC> From what do you suffer? How do you know about Uncle's pot? He, and HC> the State of Maryland, just put me up for the weekend, in downtown HC> Baltimore's new Correctional Classification Center, for home HC> cultivation, possession, & intent to distribute. After finding my HC> Tryptophane, they added possession and distribution of COCAINE to HC> the list! I told 'em what it was, but, they never listen. HC> JP> Used to be able to chug a quart of Chevas Regal Scotch and go right o HC> JP> sleep, but with the drugs they got me on now, no drinking unless I an HC> JP> to have my heart freeze up like an overheated engin in the Indy 500. HC> I can't drink either, know the feeling. HC> JP> So, when it gets real bad, I get a shot of Sodium Pentathol .05cc igh HC> JP> square in the place the sun don't shine and I am sound asleep afore y HC> JP> head hit the pillow.... HC> JP> Sure beat daylights outta smokin dope that take forever to HC> JP> work....well, ok, 2 or 3 minutes..... HC> Does it, really? HC> JP> Now, my view on this thing for people being able to grow pot for HC> JP> medical reasons, sheeeeesh, you know as well as I do that if they get HC> JP> to growin that stuff, they not gonna just use it for their own use, HC> JP> they gonna make a little cash on the side, and then it is no longer o HC> JP> medical purposes. HC> Well... the State of OHIO just altered their criminal code, in 1995, and HC> changed cultivation from a Class III felony to a misdemeanor, with $100. HC> max fine, NO JAILTIME, and NO CRIMINAL RECORD! HC> I know, I know -> LET'S ALL MOVE TO OHIO!! HC> But, to answer your point, if ANYBODY can grow it in their basement, HC> without fear of retribution from the gov't., it wouldn't command so HC> steep a price! Are you aware that marijuana, the SECOND largest cash HC> crop in the US - Largest in CALIFORNIA & HAWAII - is MORE VALUABLE HC> THAN GOLD?? HC> JP> Now, If I were to pass on some of the grass Uncle Sam gives me, I HC> JP> would be dispensing of a medical prescription without a icense...that HC> JP> is federal felony....not a state slap on the wrist like they do now. HC> Please, tell us about this program! Baltimore is one of the more HC> progressive cities in regards to drugs - we're talking about dispensing HC> cocaine and heroin to our 60,000 addicts (out of a population of 637,000) HC> and can use all the help we can get!! HC> JP> Just wanted to let you have my views on the subject of legalizing pot HC> JP> for people to grow for their own use........I mean, come on now, you HC> JP> need a shot of codine for pain, they gonna let you grow your won oke? HC> JP> I think not. HC> Codeine isn't coke - comes from poppies. HC> JP> Take care, luck be yours and God bless you and yours til next we t!! HC> Don't be a stranger! HC> Howard Conaway HC> Baltimore Metro NORML Mr.Prior is right Howard,the gov't has BEEN growing MJ to study and prescribe for years. I have a friend who is a VietNam vet,and while being treated at a V.A. hospital,MJ smoking was allowed in restricted(or (Continued to next message) --- Renegade v5-11 Exp * Origin: The Watering Hole *Take The Plunge!* (713)895-8356 (1:106/35) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DEM00003 Date: 10/17/96 From: HAROLD BLACKMON Time: 05:30am \/To: HOWARD CONAWAY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Norml News 09/19/ 02/ (Continued from previous message) (Continued to next message) --- OLXWin 1.00a Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! --- Renegade v5-11 Exp * Origin: The Watering Hole *Take The Plunge!* (713)895-8356 (1:106/35) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DEM00004 Date: 10/17/96 From: KARL WAHLBERG Time: 12:39am \/To: JAMES PRIOR (Read 1 times) Subj: Sheer lunacy. Greetings, James. 04 Oct 96 15:16, James Prior wrote to Dennis Mummert: DM>> Today, I learned that an 8th grade Fairborn Baker Jr. High student DM>> has been suspended, pending an expulsion hearing - for bringing DM>> Midol to school. JP> First off, do you know it was Midol? Just because a package is JP> labeled "Midol" does not mean that is what it contains. You don't JP> expect the girl to bring Cocaine, Heroine or any of the other JP> alkyloids which are controled substances to school in a container JP> marked "Crack Cocaine" or "White Horse", or "Skag" or "Pure Heroine" JP> now do you? Didn't "bring it to school" - she took it from the Nurse's office! It was definitely Midol. DM>> There is NO (none, nada) reason for the suspension, let alone the DM>> expulsion hearing. JP> Right again......unless the container marked "Midol" contained ANY JP> substance other than Midol tablets. However, we do not know for a JP> fact that the con- tainer contained "Only" Midol. If they had suspended her for stealing, which she plainly did, I wouldn't have too much of a problem. However, they busted her for distributing drugs. This just plainly shows what a problem the current hysteria over drugs is causing, because "drugs" were involved in this case they flipped out - instead of addressing the actual known wrong-doing (stealing from the Nurse). Karl |-> __________________________________________________________________________ FidoNet: Karl Wahlberg 1:202/353 | LoraBBS Support | Team OS/2 Internet: OBlocal@ibm.net | http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1786/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- LoraBBS-OS/2 v2.41b3+ * Origin: A Warped User @ SandOS Local San Diego BBS 619-225-8173 1:202/353) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DEM00005 Date: 10/17/96 From: KARL WAHLBERG Time: 12:44am \/To: HOWARD CONAWAY (Read 1 times) Subj: Sheer lunacy. Greetings, Howard. 14 Oct 96 12:07, Howard Conaway wrote to James Prior: HC> Just what the hell does all this crap have to do with legalizing HC> marijuana? Go play in some other echo; we're DEADLY SERIOUS here, HC> and don't need someone to "just pass our time". I do think the case does show the current hysteria level about drugs and potentially drug-related issues in the country today beacuse of the War On Drugs, and as such isn't completly relevant. However, I'd much rather discuss passing 215 out here on Nov. 5! Karl |-> __________________________________________________________________________ FidoNet: Karl Wahlberg 1:202/353 | LoraBBS Support | Team OS/2 Internet: OBlocal@ibm.net | http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1786/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- LoraBBS-OS/2 v2.41b3+ * Origin: A Warped User @ SandOS Local San Diego BBS 619-225-8173 1:202/353) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DEM00006 Date: 10/17/96 From: ED COLLINS Time: 10:59am \/To: KARL WAHLBERG (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Prop.215 >I do think the case does show the current hysteria level about drugs and >potentially drug-related issues in the country today beacuse of the War On >Drugs, and as such isn't completly relevant. However, I'd much rather discus >passing 215 out here on Nov. 5! Ahh, Prop.215. I won't say how I voted, yes, I won't say how I voted, yes that wouldn't be prudent. ;=) VOTE YES ON 215 VOTE YES ON 215 --- ViaMAIL!/SL v1.00 * Origin: Rudy's Place BBS - (619)670-3040 (1:202/807) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DEM00007 Date: 10/17/96 From: RICH WOODS Time: 5:05 am \/To: HAROLD BLACKMON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Drug Legalization In a message dated 17 Oct 96 05:30:10, Harold Blackmon wrote: HB> Yeah,and Drug & Law Enforcement Authorities would,'t be able to buy HB> any more expensive "anti-drug" toys used to confiscate drug dealers' HB> money & homes to buy more expensive "anti-drug" toys. I might recommend the following book written in 1993 concerning US Drug policies, the DEA, CIA etc on the cocaine and crack epidemic. Levein is a former DEA agent - good book and well worth the read. --- DLG Pro v1.15/PDQMail v2.60 * Origin: I Didn't Inhale-Honest! Origin-White House, Washington DC (1:209/245) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DEM00008 Date: 10/17/96 From: SHANNON MCCORMICK Time: 09:34am \/To: L P (Read 1 times) Subj: Mj Science Summary (2) -=> Quoting L P to All <=- LP> "Compared with other licit social drugs, such as alcohol, LP> tobacco, and caffeine, marijuana does not pose greater risks." I was reading the echo with great interest when I came across this ^ little ditty in one of your messages. You took the thoughts right out of my head. How many people have been killed in car accidents involving pot? I'd say, not TOO many. I might even go as far as NONE. But, alcohol? THOUSANDS, in the States alone. I still don't know why they don't legalize it. LP> 5) Drugs with the highest potential for abuse have a direct effect LP> on the neurotransmitter dopamine; marijuana does not: Again - another argument pro. I rest my case, as did LP. Ellen. ... "42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?!" ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: STAT! Medical BBS - (514) 279-5145 HST/V.34 - (1:167/100.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DEM00009 Date: 10/18/96 From: DENNIS MUMMERT Time: 07:10am \/To: HAROLD BLACKMON (Read 1 times) Subj: Drug Legalization HB> I mean...how many Americans,or anyone else,has been murdered over the HB>price of Cigs or alchohol!? During Prohibition I, this was called territorial control (see St. Valentine's day Massacre). During Prohibition II, it's called gang war. --- Ezycom V1.10 * Origin: TechNet-1 Prime - An Engineering Syst (1:110/515) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DEM00010 Date: 10/15/96 From: JAMES PRIOR Time: 10:30pm \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Potloaf or "Brownies" -=>Steve Kemp Was chatting about Potloaf to L P about Potloaf on 07 Oct 96 05:32:31<=- SK> Damn, that would be one expensive pot-loaf. I'd rather smaoke the pot SK> first, then eat a meatloaf (the whole thing). he he * SPITFIRE v3.51 Hello Steve...you by any chance tried these Cannabis Brownies? And No I do not mean those little 8 year old girls in the brown dresses!! Talking about chocolate and Mary Jane's Brownies that the fellas used to get from the girls back home when I was in Nam. Course now the women in this country have all burned their B-ha's and begun to wear britches just like the men. None of them learn cooking anymore.....well, ok, maybe they learn how to fry burnt eggs and stuff, but not the good stuff they used to learn in HS Home Economics in the 60's....hehehe Hey, with the push to stop smoking on, brownies ain't half bad. I quit smoking cold turkey about oh, 6 years ago or so.........still keep me a little stash for the brownies though.......hey, the doctor might tell ya to quit smoking, but not very many gonna tell ya to quit eating....hehehe I see you are running Spitfire v3.51, you ever on SFNet? I am also running Spitfire v3.51 and am Node A0602102. Not much going on the old net now though. I Been trying to get rigged up with Fidonet, but not much luck.....two different apples. I have all the programs, Alexi/Amail, Frontdoor, and so on just no idea how to set them up. Been thinking of switching to Proboard for Fidonet and partitioning my HD and run just the message conferences on SF with no files. Had this one SYSOP here set this place up and running pretty good, but she hadn't left more than 20 minutes before I heard this loud "CRASH!!" and the computer dumped everything........was backing the HD up on tape, and it wiped that out even. If you have Internet, you could do me a great big favor and send me a copy of your set-up zipped into one file....course if it is all registered stuff then don't bother I won't use pirated stuff........learned long time ago what it is like to have to make a living and it is a blessed shame the rouble people have to go thru these days just to survive..... Anyway, any help you could be would be greatly appreciated. jprior@ctaz.com James Prior SFnet A0602102 James Prior Fidonet 1:314\44 Take care, luck be yours and God bless you and yours til next we met!! James Prior ... Yep, yep, yep, yep......I believe he ate the whole thing!! --- # Origin: Serendipity - Kingman, AZ, USA - (520) 753-5336 - (143:3000/0) * Origin: FidoNet <-> GodNet EchoGate! 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