--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DCG00001 Date: 08/11/96 From: MODERATOR AUTOPOST OF RULES Time: 12:70am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: NORML Echo Guidelines ECHO AREA: NORML MODERATOR: Rich Woods, 1:209/245.0 CoMODERATOR: LP, 1:17/75.0 DISTRIBUTION: Fidonet Backbone TITLE: Electronic Media Venture Marijuana Information DESCRIPTION: This echo is for the discussion and exchange of information regarding the rescheduling of HEMP MEDS for affordable health care & maintenance, Effective Medicine: "Nature's Remedies", as a non toxic, self-administrable medication with remarkably few side effects, for AIDS with wasting syndrome and AIDS therapy, AZT, AMOVATIONAL SYNDROME, ALCOHOLISM ,ANOREXIA NERVOSA, ANTIBACTERIAL CBD DISINFECTANT, ANXIETY, APPETITE STIMULANT, ARTHRITIS, ASTHMA, CANCER THERAPY, CHRONIC PAIN, CORN PLASTERS & POULTICES, DRUG DEPENDENCE TREATMENT, DYSMENORRHEA, EMPHYSEMA, EPILEPSY, EXPECTORANT, EYE DISEASEs, GLAUCOMA, HEAD INJURIES, HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, INSOMNIA, MIGRAINE HEADACHES, MOOD DISORDERS, MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS & SPASMS, NAUSEA, NEURALGIA, NEUROLOGIC DISEASES, MUSCLE SPASMS, PMS, RHEUMATISM, SICKLE-CELL ANEMIA, SALIVA REDUCER, SLEEP & RELAXATION, SPASM DISORDERS, STRESS DISORDERS, TUMORS and other disabling and or degenerative medical and emotional conditions or it's hundreds of therapeutic uses, as well as the discussion of renewable natural resource, HEMP, for the manufacture of products such as fiber, fiberboard, food, fuel, oil, paints, paper, pulp, rope and sealants. 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Origin-White House, Washington DC (1:209/245) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DCG00002 Date: 08/10/96 From: "DONNA J. LOGAN" Time: 03:36am \/To: RICH WOODS (Read 1 times) Subj: L&J: CBS/SS held liable for filming sear03:36:3308/10/96 Apparently-to: rich.woods@245.genesplicer.org Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 06:36:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donna J. Logan" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 22:22:14 -0700 From: Cerridwyn Llewyellyn To: a-infos@lglobal.com Subject: CBS/SS held liable for filming search @@@@@ IIII II II IIII III III @@@ @ @@@ II II II II II II II I @@ @ @ @@ II III II II II II II @ @ @ @ II II III III II II II @ @ @ @ II II II II II II II @ @@@@@@@@@ @ II II II II II II II @@ @@ II II II II II II II @@@ @@@ II II II II II II I II @@@@@ IIII II II II III III - The alternative newsservice - http://www.lglobal.com/TAO/ainfos.html Thought this may be of interest to this group. May help put an end to police-propaganda-tv in US. >To: cypherpunks@toad.com >Organization: Federal Reserve B.O.G. >Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 13:17:43 -0400 >From: "Thomas C. Allard" >Sender: owner-cypherpunks@toad.com > >tcmay@got.net (Timothy C. May) said: > >> What recourse does he have that camera crews were invited in on the >> searches? > >From: dante@halcyon.halcyon.com (Dan Tenenbaum) >Subject: CBS Liable for Filming Search >Followup-To: alt.prisons >Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 15:52:58 EDT > >[Paul Wright, the imprisoned editor of Prison Legal News, sent me the >following and asked me to distribute it widely on the the net because >there has been no coverage of this in the mainstream media. >Followups to alt.prisons because I read it. Nyah. >Typos are mine. >The article will appear in slightly different form in the next PLN. PLN >is available from P.O. Box 1684, Lake Worth, FL 33460. $12 for >subscriptions and $1 for a sample copy. >Dan Tenenbaum (dante@microsoft.com or dante@halcyon.com)] > >CBS Liable for Filming Search > > In a landmark decision a federal court in New York has ruled >that a CBS film crew and Secret Service agents are liable for filming and >broadcasting a search of a private citizen's home. It is the first reported >court decision to hold a television broadcaster liable for accompanying >police agents on a search and filming it for the broadcast. Anyone who >has watched "Cops," "Hard Copy," "America's Most Wanted," or any >of the "real life" cop shows has seen the degrading and propagandistic >manner in which the victims of police repression are portrayed. The >broadcasters and the police can be sued and held liable for such >actions. > >In 1992 Secret Service agents obtained a search warrant >from a federal court authorizing the search of an apartment shared by >Babatunde Ayeni, his wife Tawa, and small son Kayode, seeking >evidence of a credit card fraud operation. At 6PM on March 5, 1992, >several Secret Service (SS) agents forced their way into the Ayeni >residence announcing they had a warrant to conduct a search and >ask questions. Only Mrs. Ayeni and her son were home at the time. >At about 8:15 four more SS agents arrived with a film crew from the CBS >news program "Street Stories." The CBS film crew was never identified >as CBS employees. The CBS crew followed the SS agents and taped >them as they searched the apartment. They took closeup shots of the >home's interior, its closets, personal letters, family photos, etc. In the >apartment's foyer an SS agent was interviewed about the modus >operandi of people who commit credit card frauds and the tools of >their trade. During this tape sequence the SS agent implied the >complicity of the other residents of the Ayeni apartment. No >evidence implicating the Ayenis in any illegal activity was found >during the search. One of the agents was filmed expressing his >disappointment. > >The Ayenis filed suit against the federal agents as well as CBS, >contending that the search and its filming violated their fourth >amendment right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. In his >opinion Judge Weinstein agreed with the Ayenis. The defendants sought >qualified immunity, which the court denied. > >Under the doctrine of qualified immunity government agents are >entitled to be free from liability for money damages even if they violate >constitutional rights as long as the right is not "well established" so that >a person of reasonable intelligence would know that the right violated >was recognized. In the case the court held that any reasonable police >agent would have known that it is unconstitutional to have private >citizens accompany them on a search to film and broadcast the search. >The court relied on 18 U.S.C. sec. 3105 which requires that search >warrants be served by an official authorized to serve the warrant and >by no other person unless their assistance is required in conducting the >search, i.e. an accountant, forensic expert, etc., depending on the >nature of the offense being investigated. Thus, the SS agents should >have known that having a film crew taping their activities was illegal. > >Courts have previously held that taking photos is a "seizure" within >the meaning of the fourth amendment. CBS also claimed qualified >immunity from suit. The court notes that private entities are not >entitled to qualified immunity from suit, it only applies to government >actors. > >The court used harsh language in condemning the actions by >the SS and CBS. "The search warrant was issued to agent Mottola and >other agents of the Unites States Secret Service for precise and limited >purposes. It authorized their entry into the Ayenis' home only to search >for items related to credit card fraud. Agent Mottola's act of facilitating >the CBS camera crew's entry into the apartment and its filming of the >search exceeded the scope of the warrant. It was allegedly in clear >violation then well [sic] established fourth amendment principles. >...it is the equivalent of a rogue policeman using his official position >to break into a home in order to steal objects for his own profit or >that of another." > >For immunity purposes it would be "...grossly unreasonable >for a government agent not to have known that the presence of >private persons he invited in so that they could titillate and entertain >others was beyond the scope of what was lawfully authorized by >the warrant. > >"CBS had no greater right than that of a thief to be in the >home, to 'capture' the scene of the search on film and to remove >the photographic record. The images, though created by the camera, >are a part of the household; they could not be removed without >permission or official right....The television tape was a seizure of >private property, information, for non-governmental purposes." > >It is entirely possible that litigation by the victims of this type >of police and media activity may be able to halt the spread of >"police TV." Findings of liability against both police and the broadcaster >will see to it that police activity is not broadcast to "entertain and >titillate." So if you've been filmed against your will during a police >search you too can sue for an invasion of your privacy and your >fourth amendment rights. The court decision is reported at: >Ayeni v. CBS, Inc., 848 F. Supp 362 (ED NY 1994). > > > >rgds-- TA (tallard@frb.gov) >I don't speak for the Federal Reserve Board, it doesn't speak for me. >pgp fingerprint: 10 49 F5 24 F1 D9 A7 D6 DE 14 25 C8 C0 E2 57 9D -------------------------------------------------- --/\-- A-Infos A-Infos / / \ \ A-Infos A-Infos ---|--/----\--|--- A-Infos A-Infos \/ \/ /\______/\ http://www.lglobal.com/TAO/ainfos.html To Subscribe to a-infos Send a message to majordomo@lglobal.com With the message in the body: subscribe a-infos To Unsubscribe send: unsubscribe a-infos -------------------------------------------------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Unsub info - send to liberty-and-justice-request@pobox.com with "unsubscribe" in body (not subject) of the msg. List-Owner - Mike Goldman --- GIGO+ sn 132 at genesplicer vsn 0.99 pl3 --- DLG Pro v1.1u5/PDQMail v2.60 * Origin: I Didn't Inhale-Honest! Origin-White House, Washington DC (1:209/245) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DCG00003 Date: 08/11/96 From: L P Time: 09:08am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Norml News 08/08/96 (1) NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR THE REFORM OF MARIJUANA LAWS 1001 CONNECTICUT AVENUE NW SUITE 1010 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20036 TEL 202-483-5500 * FAX 202-483-0057 E-MAIL natlnorml@aol.com Internet http://www.natlnorml.org/ ... a weekly service for the media on news items related to Marijuana Prohibition. August 8, 1996 San Francisco Buyers' Club Raided, Closed By State Authorities August 5, 1996, San Francisco, CA: San Francisco Superior Court Judge William Cahill granted a temporary injunction on August 5 to close down the San Francisco Cannabis Buyers' Club. The club -- the largest of approximately 30 underground clubs located across the nation that supplies marijuana as a therapeutic agent to patients who possess a doctor's recommendation -- provided relief for an estimated 11,000 seriously ill patients throughout the bay area. The injunction was granted following a raid by state narcotics agents one day earlier. The early morning raid -- which occurred without the cooperation of local law enforcement or District Attorney Terence Hallinan -- was ordered by state Attorney General Dan Lungren, an outspoken opponent of this year's state ballot initiative to legalize marijuana for medical use (Proposition 215). According to newspaper and eye-witness accounts, the raid took place at 7:30 a.m., a time when the club was not serving clients. Armed with a search warrant, nearly 100 gun-toting agents broke down the club's front door and seized medical records, at least two computers, 40 pounds of marijuana, some documents pertaining to Proposition 215, and an undisclosed amount of cash. In addition, five other locations associated with the club personnel were raided. A spokesman for the state Justice Department, Steve Telliano, said that no arrests were made during the morning sweeps, but acknowledged that charges may be filed against some of the club's organizers at a later date. Many San Francisco leaders expressed both shock and outrage at the actions of the state narcotics officers. District Attorney Hallinan denounced the raid as a political act by Lungren, who has been mentioned as a Republican candidate for Vice-President. San Francisco Sheriff Michael Hennessy said that he will refuse to enforce the injunction and Mayor Willie Brown stated that he was "dismayed by the Gestapo tactics displayed by [the attorney general.]" In addition, several members of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, led by Tom Ammiano, expressed support for the legalization of medicinal marijuana and requested hearings into the raid. Also, the board passed a resolution calling on the Department of Health to draw up a public health state of emergency declaration for medical marijuana. Some proponents believe that this measure could eventually pave the way for the suspension of laws against medical marijuana in San Francisco. "I feel really angry at the way [the attorney general's office] did it," Ammiano told the San Francisco Chronicle. "It's the worst kind of political opportunism. We could have worked with them. Instead, they chose these storm-trooper tactics." The decision to close the San Francisco Buyers' Club was granted by Judge Cahill based on affidavits from narcotics officials that the club had sold marijuana for non-medical purposes to undercover agents. In a tape released to the media, club founder Dennis Peron was shown selling a quantity of marijuana to an undercover agent for what were alleged to be non-medical purposes. The agent was posing as an AIDS patient who wished to provide marijuana to fellow patients in a neighboring county. Evidence substantiating additional allegations of misconduct against the club, such as the charge that club staffers sometimes sold marijuana in excess of that required for personal use, was not presented during the hearing. "Judge Cahill ordered the club closed, but you cannot close the spirit of the club," announced Dennis Peron to a crowd of approximately 800 demonstrators who attended a candlelight march later that evening. "We'll stay open as [the] headquarters for Proposition 215." The big question now looming for activists on both sides of the medical marijuana issue is how the raid and subsequent shut-down of the Cannabis Buyers' Club will affect California voter's sentiments in November. While some Californians speculate that the timing of the raid may have been motivated by political reasons, many marijuana activists forsee the raid as potentially being a catalyst to inspire voters to support Proposition 215. "The [actions of the attorney general] prove the need to pass Proposition 215," said California NORML Coordinator, Dale Gieringer, Ph.D. "[He] has made it plain that he not only opposes the medical use of marijuana, but is also intent on wasting taxpayer's money enforcing laws against it." Phone calls concerning the status of the San Francisco Cannabis Buyers' Club should be directed to the following number: (415) 621-3986. Buyers' Club Raid Spurs Resolution To Declare Medical Marijuana Emergency Issue To Be Examined At August 15 Hearing --==<<< Continued next message >>>==-- --- RBBSMail/386 v1.0 * Origin: Who's Askin'? Matanuska-Susitna Valley, AK (1:17/75.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DCG00004 Date: 08/11/96 From: L P Time: 09:08am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Norml News 08/08/96 (2) --==<<< Continued from previous message >>>==-- August 5, 1996, San Francisco, CA: In the wake of a state raid on the San Francisco Cannabis Buyers' Club, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors -- led by Tom Ammiano -- has passed a resolution asking city health officials to declare a medical emergency allowing for patients to use marijuana as a medicine. Ammiano and others believe that state laws forbidding the use of marijuana may be circumvented by declaring an emergency. San Francisco already has such a program in place regarding needle exchange. The city attorney's office told the San Francisco Chronicle that it has no legal opinion on the resolution at this time and Sandra R. Hernandez, the city's director of health, remained noncommital. State Justice Department spokesman Steve Telliano alleged that county supervisors lack the authority to declare medical emergencies with the intention of circumventing the law. He explained that the needle exchange program is "illegal" despite being sanctioned by the city. The San Francisco Department of Health and the city attorney are set to examine the issue at an August 15 hearing. For more information, please contact Dale Gieringer of California NORML @ (415) 563-5858. For a copy of the resolution, please contact NORML @ (202) 483-5500. (Meanwhile) Oakland City Council Passes Resolution To Ensure Local Law Enforcement Do Not Arrest Medical Marijuana Users July 30, 1996, Oakland, CA: The Oakland City Council has unanimously passed a resolution (#72881) establishing a working group to ensure that Oakland police officers adhere to the city's tolerant medical marijuana policy. Earlier this year, the council declared its desire "not to expend city resources in any investigation, detention, arrest, or prosecution arising out of alleged violations of state and federal law regarding the possession, cultivation, and/or distribution of marijuana for medical use." "I believe that this marks the first time a legislative body at any level of government has established an official committee with the express purpose of ensuring that the police do not enforce marijuana laws," said Attorney Robert Raich of Oakland. Specifically, the resolution states that a "working group shall consider legislative and administrative methods to ensure enforcement of and compliance with the city's medical marijuana policy." The passage of the resolution occurred just days prior to a state raid on the San Francisco Cannabis Buyers' Club. A similar yet far smaller club currently operates in Oakland and has been endorsed by local officials. For more information on the Oakland City Council resolution, please contact Attorney Robert A. Raich @ (510) 420-1137. For more information on the Oakland Cannabis Buyers' Club, please contact Jeff Jones @ (510) 832-5346. -END- MORE THAN 10 MILLION MARIJUANA ARRESTS SINCE 1965 ... ANOTHER EVERY 65 SECONDS! Reporters and Researchers are welcome at the world's largest on-line library of drug policy material at: http://www.druglibrary.org/ --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 * Origin: Who's Askin'? Matanuska-Susitna Valley, AK (1:17/75.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DCG00005 Date: 08/11/96 From: L P Time: 09:22am \/To: TIM ELMORE (Read 1 times) Subj: Rules Etc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -=> Quoting Tim Elmore to Gar Wells <=- GW> I have some questions I would like to ask in this echo GW> The questions are in relation to cultivation and GW> current laws in California. TE> Unfortunately, discussing cultivation would be against TE> the rule (thank-you mr. moderator for posting them again) I rechecked the rules, and I didn't see where discussion regarding cultivation was off-topic -- it's just not specifically mentioned as being a primary focus of this echo. TE> I'm sure by a technicality we could discuss it's TE> cultivation in regards to medicinal benefits TE> or such..... Discussion of cultivation and the law also falls within "related news, newsletters, and views". TE> ATTENTION MR. MODERATOR! TE> Where would we go to JUST discuss the cultivation of TE> Hemp for medicinal or recreational reasons?? This is the only place to do so that I am aware of. Just recheck the rules regarding the recommendation to use aliases and the manner in which you might want to discuss whatever information you want to discuss. I wouldn't recommend posting anything here in a manner that you wouldn't want to express yourself in front of the police. But this shouldn't stop open discussion since I am sure that you have heard some things from a friend of a friend whom you really don't know, but who apparently has some interesting notions, questions or information that might be interesting or that someone might help clarify for everyone's benefit. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: cp850 Comment: Get PubKey WHOSASKN.ASC at BBS 907-745-6093 1:17/75 iQCVAgUBMg4L7V3p8JHts+exAQGBbAP+IcRF1Qi/pcUa1VNSnffUveXPH+cryRR/ OcciIBj+N5B0xY6bL9SyfGJYsS5XsQ71v3tY4uoao2wGcPD05K0+JyVZS5lezdNF 8/EN8NVfD0AoBrHCD712PXECK/f9X+QBdHKBdqig6/q6AFE/5ZSky0Ig00lSw+Ju Uhb15nUvMvQ= =PPyF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 * Origin: Who's Askin'? Matanuska-Susitna Valley, AK (1:17/75.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: DCH00000 Date: 08/10/96 From: GUY GEORGE Time: 06:34pm \/To: DAIN BRAMAGE (Read 1 times) Subj: 1996 elections & Hemp Present--Not Voting -------------------------------------------------------- Go ahead and vote, genius. YOU ram this "last of the superpowers" into small, struggling democracies and constitutional republics and put poor people out in the gutters and in doorways at night.... -------------------------------------------------------- Marijuana is still illegal after a 60 year hoax. Explain to me how joining one or the other ranks of "informed voters" at the polls, and "voting" for politically compromised liar after politically compro- mised liar would have changed this? I have not voted since McGovern, under public pressure, dropped his first running mate. The Issue: "Get out of Vietnam." -=> Quoting Dain Bramage to Rainbow Sally <=- DB> If yer not gonna vote yer part of teh problem. This nation needs DB> EVERYONES voice to be heard! I don't care if yer 100% abnormal to DB> _my_ standards and vote that way, but speak your peace with your DB> ballot, if ya don't , you have no grounds to complaine on. I certainly DO have grounds to complain--as every victim of this country's ignorant and arrogant VOTERS has. This is a set of VICTIMS which include those imprisoned for smoking hemp, by the way. (There! Nailed the echo Topic twice so far without even trying!) Once every four years, to punch a spot in a multiple-choice field to express my entire belief system and philosophy is not enough for me. For bringing this major flaw in our political THINKING to our attention, I am grateful to both Browne and Nader, though. If you say that I am part of the problem, then I ask you; how did the Progressives in Congress end up voting FOR what they called "terrible" and "bad" and "poorly written" and "egregious" bills? This was especially perplexing during the first 100 days of Newt's Blitzkrieg. The actions of even the Progressives were all right there, clearly visible on C-SPAN. How were they visible? zErO abstentions *is* quite visible! Meanwhile all the VOTERS were busy watching OJ's 4th amendment rights be ignored, without even KNOWING what they were watching! Allow me?