--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: D5K00024 Date: 05/05/96 From: STEVE BUMGARDNER Time: 8:37am \/To: ROCKY FRISCO (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: tax stamps On Wed 1-May-1996 12:16a, Rocky Frisco said to Robert Sheaks: RF> *I* believe the government has no business dictating personal behavior RF> to adults. ... Well said! --- CNet/3 * Origin: The Anchor, Indianapols, IN 1-317-897-0793 (1:231/815) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: D5K00025 Date: 05/14/96 From: TERRY LIBERTY-PARKER Time: 09:13pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Philadelphia Ex-Cops Call Offenses Routi21:13:4705/14/96 * Forwarded (from: netmail) by Terry Liberty-Parker using timEd/386 1.10+. * Originally from Matthew Gaylor (1:382/87) to terry liberty-parker (1:382/804). * Original dated: Tue May 14, 14:25 age-Id: From: freematt@coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) ACLU News *From Prison, Ex-Cops Call Offenses Routine* PHILADELPHIA -- In a front-page copywritten report, The Philadelphia Inquirer on Sunday detailed the stories of three police officers involved in the biggest police scandal in Philadelphia's history. All three officers readily admit that they committed serious misdeeds in stealing an estimated $100,000 from suspected drug dealers. the Inquirer said. But they also say that much of their illegal activity -- including perjury and fabricating evidence -- was part of the system that police everywhere use in the war on drugs. "Its the system, they say -- they only did what they believed their commanders, politicians and yes -- you the public wanted," Inquirer reporter Mark Fazlollah wrote. He quoted one of the former officers, John Baird: "We didn't own and operate the system. We didn't invent it. We were just some of the many thousands of custodians. We inherited it." The ex-officers made a series of serious allegations, the Inquirer said, including: -- Hundreds of arrests were "bad." Baird told the Inquirer that he never saw a legal drug arrest. -- Groups of black youths hanging out on corners were routinely searched illegally. When drugs were found, the Inquirer said, police reports were fabricated to indicate that a drug sale had been witnessed. The Inquirer said that the ex-officers allegations are likely to add fuel to charges by civil rights lawyers that the Police Department has failed to police itself. David Rudovsky, a lawyer who is leading negotiations between city officials and civil rights groups -- and a member of the ACLU National Board -- told the Inquirer that what the ex-officers have said "reflects a pattern that we have seen independently." Rudovsky told the Inquirer that what the ex-officers said "rings true." "It's not only individual officers," he said. "It was a department that was indifferent to those facts." The Philadelphia Inquirer can be found on the Web at http://www.phillynews.com/inq/front_page/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- For general information about the ACLU, write to info@aclu.org ### **************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt@coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor,1933 E. Dublin-Granville Rd.,#176, Columbus, OH 43229 **************************************************************************** --- --- timEd/386 1.10+ * Origin: LibertyBBS, Austin,Tx [512]462-1776 (1:382/804) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: D5K00026 Date: 05/15/96 From: TERRY LIBERTY-PARKER Time: 10:05am \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: French ShutDown Internet -=> Note: Forwarded (from: TLP) by Terry Liberty-Parker using timEd. Originally from Matthew Gaylor (1:382/87.0) to terry liberty-parker. Original dated: May 15 '96, 10:00 age-Id: From: freematt@coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) From: Stanton McCandlish Subject: French situation update X-EFF_General_Info: info@eff.org X-URL: http://www.eff.org/~mech via G.Livraghi@agora.stm.it (Giancarlo Livraghi) of ALCEI/EF-Italy: [...] The following news from France speaks for itself. ALCEI has issued a press release (I can send you an English translation if you are interested). [...] In the Name of the Law ---------------------- Stop, in the Name of Penal Code Section 227-23, You're Under Arrest! Voila', the secret weapon French authorities used to launch the heaviest action yet against the Internet in France. The results of the "round-up" by the SRP (Paris Investigative Section) of the National Gendarmerie (Police) Monday, May 6: 48 hours of detention for the administrators of two of the largest Internet Service providers in France, FranceNet and World-Net. As icing on the cake, the police confiscated some computer equipment. "I'm shocked by the violence and the arbitrariness of this procedure," FranceNet's chief executive declared to the French daily, Le Monde. Section 227-23 of the Penal Code punishes acts related to pornography involving minors, especially children. It is such pornography that FranceNet and World-Net, as companies, are accused of...of what? Oh, no, you must understand, they are not accused of having produced this material. What they are accused of doing is transporting the messages of a substantial number of Usenet groups from the RAIN server (better known as Transpac, a subsidiary of France Telecom, the national telecommunications company) and making them available to their clients. In particular, the distribution of the newsgroups alt.binaries.picture.erotica.*" is apparently criminal. RAIN's officers have not been questioned or bothered in any way and continue to distribute these newsgroups. Obviously this strong-arm intervention solves none of the problems of pornography on the Internet. Even politicians and magistrates know that a subscriber can almost effortlessly use news servers almost anywhere in the world and that closing two outlets (FranceNet and World-Net) is utterly useless. This "example" was set at the same time as a large conference on the Internet opened in Paris. What example? Stationing police behind every modem? Exterminating, more or less capriciously, the "dark" corners of the Internet? Keeping a blacklist of the good and the bad? Setting up a system to watch and examine everything that circulates through the Internet, private or commercial? Inviting Big Brother into the den or family room or office of everyone with a computer? The villains of this story, FranceNet and World-Net, are two independent corporations, of some weight, certainly, but minuscule in comparison to the juggernauts and giants now arriving on the Internet. Among others, since May 2 (a coincidence?) France Telecom, by its subsidiary FTI. What our villains do not do is censor what is distributed, as some others decide, more or less arbitrarily, what is "good" and "bad" to read. We might then wonder whether FranceNet and World-Net have been targeted because they violated section 227-23 of the Penal Code or because they are annoying gnats detracting attention from more traditional corporations. In any case, this sin might end up costing these two executives a lot: they are subject to three years in prison and a 500,000 franc ($100,000.) fine. The French Internet community reacted rapidly to this unilateral censorship. Most of the ISPs have closed their Usenet service in protest. The newsgroup "fr.network.internet" has received a constant stream of protest articles. Many Home Pages are dressed in black backgrounds as a sign of mourning, with a French flag at half mast. Substitute news servers have sprung up all over the Web. The electronic mail boxes of French authorities are filling up with countless protest messages, and those of the two administrators, with messages of support. The first results of this Black Monday have started crossing borders... And you, the reader: consider this message as "another news source", different from the classic media, spread it everywhere you can, to the best of your ability. A message from Cybernauts and citizens who are rising up against all forms of censorship, against all the forms of control that are being set up slowly but surely on the Net. This story has already happened, yesterday in the US, today in France, tomorrow perhaps in some other European country... Don't forget, this could also happen to you...Oh yes it could. Giuseppe Salza (giusal@worldnet.fr) Philippe Buschini (philb@sct.fr) Translated in English by Jo Ann Cahn -- Stanton McCandlish
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Online Activist **************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt@coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor,1933 E. Dublin-Granville Rd.,#176, Columbus, OH 43229 **************************************************************************** ___ --- timEd 1.00+ * Origin: LibertyBBS Austin,Tx [512]462-1776 (1:382/804) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: D5K00027 Date: 05/15/96 From: SEBASTIAN LANGNER Time: 01:07am \/To: RALPH J ABRAMO (Read 2 times) Subj: BOOZE + POT RA> I like the British method of "smoke houses" for on-site use, myself. RA> I'm not too sure about mixing it with the alcohol atmosphere. I just RA> don't consider the two states compatible. I agree somewhat with you. In my example, if I was just to go out and drink one night with my friends, we'll be able to drink ALOT. If we go out another day and smoke weed the whole day, we can also pack away ALOT of smoke, but as soon as we mix the two together, it's a whole new ballgame. On an average night each of us could drink a 12 pack to ourselves, but if we smoke while we're drinking that would be cut down to a 6 pack. If you ask me that's a noticable decrease in alcohol consumption. cannabis Smokin' the Net --- RM 1.31 1321 You're a redneck if: Your dad and you are both in the third * Origin: Horizon - Mississauga, ON (905)855-7934 (1:250/348) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: D5K00028 Date: 05/15/96 From: SEBASTIAN LANGNER Time: 01:07am \/To: SCOTT MCGOWAN (Read 2 times) Subj: $ SM> For an 1/8 oz. I'm paying $35 for premo stuff. Lots of crystals & SM> smelly too. What I do miss is the "Black Hash" that we used to get. SM> But the pot here is so strong, it's almost like the hash! What area of the country would here fall under? cannabis Smokin' the Net --- RM 1.31 1321 MULTITASKING: Making love and farting. * Origin: Horizon - Mississauga, ON (905)855-7934 (1:250/348) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: D5K00029 Date: 05/15/96 From: LEWIS COLON Time: 08:21am \/To: ROCKY FRISCO (Read 2 times) Subj: Justice and evil -> Humans are a terribly corrupt species in general and can easily be stampeded -> into atrocities against the innocent, merely by creating and appealing to -> prejudice and bigotry. When this behavior is rewarded by financial gains, -> there will always be somebody in power to take up the swastika. Nicely stated..... --- * Origin: Lunar NetWork BBS Node #3 313-480-2853 vFC (1:2200/213) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: D5K00030 Date: 05/16/96 From: JOHN KASUPSKI Time: 12:11am \/To: SCOTT MCGOWAN (Read 2 times) Subj: solution SM>Legalize pot, and crime will be reduced. SM>Just legalize the damn stuff, crime will go down, you get rid of all the "po SM>pushers", tax the stuff, sell it with alcohol, increase tourism, decrease SM>paranoia, have happier citizens (hehehe), help hospitalized patients as well SM>terminal patients through their pain. I don't agree with this approach to arguing for legalization because it is vulnerable to counterattack on the grounds that it is bound to result in lower crime statistics when ANY formerly criminal act is legalized. This is a matter of simple (and rather obvious) mathematics. Liberals will point this out in a heartbeat, to obfuscate the fact that there would be a liegitimate decrease in crime stats due to the fact that smuggling the stuff or growing it secretly would no longer take place, since the stuff would be legal. No more border chases, no more LEO's shot at by pot smugglers, no more people blowing away innocent hikers because they got too close to some grower's field, no more high-speed chases by otherwise respectable people who run because they have two joints in a coat pocket. Would legalizing pot end abuses of other drugs such as heroin, crack, coke, speed? In my opinion, no...as long as there is a mind-altering substance around, some shit-for-brains will swallow/snort/shoot it, whether it's harmful or not. SM>What else can I say? Pot is going through the same "crap" as alcohol did dur SM>prohibition...a few narrow minded politicians who feel that "they know" what SM>good for everyone. Just accept the inevitable, pot will be legalized SM>eventually. As soon as the government realizes that legalizing pot, is not SM>legalizing "hard drugs". Not entirely. While prohibition was in effect, I'm sure a lot more men were killed over alcohol then have EVER been killed over smoke. The problem is that the government learned a different lesson from prohibition...namely that it can NOT enforce legislation that is genuinely NOT respected by the vast majority of Americans. Another example (besides prohibition) of this in American history is the CB Radio crze of the late 70's and early 80's. The FCC created CB with the intention of letting it provide short-range communication for personal and business use. Then the early-70's "Energy Crisis" crap hit the fan, with long gas lines, scarce fuel at times, and truckers out there trying to earn a living on the highways. Truckers started using CB, for personal and business use...for various reasons (most notably a song by C.W. McCall titled, "Convoy") it became extremely popular, but a lot of the people used it for hobby purposes, seeing how far they could talk (far beyond the legal limit of 150 miles!)...the FCC had nowhere near the number of agents it would have needed to enforce their regulations...they fielded so many license applications their system literally broke down, forcing them to abandon controlling license issuance on the band, and they got a lesson in government courtesy of the people. :) -=>Sharpshooter<=- --- SLMR 2.0 "Gun control means people control." - A. Hitler, 1939 * Origin: (1:260/128) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 173 NORML Ref: D5L00000 Date: 05/15/96 From: JAY BERGSTROM Time: 07:45pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: letter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Lifted from the pages of my favorite: Anderson Valley Advertiser: Booneville, CA 95415 cheers j Editor: While a medical marijuana initiative heads toward the November ballot, a Shasta County couple have become the latest medical marijuana patients to be arrested in california. Marshall Loskot, a paraplegic, and his wife Marilyn, who suffers from Crohn's disease, were booked on marijuana charges after sheriffs found nine plants and 1.5 pounds of marijuana in the freezer on their farm in Platina. The Loskosts, both of whom have medical need for marijuana, were charged with intent to sell, apparently because Marshall was convicted of a drug charges 12 years ago. Loskot is facing two years in State prison. The quantity of marijuana in his home was equal to what the government supplies every three months to each of the eight legal medical marijuana patients in the US. Other patients recently arrested for medical marijuana in California included: 1. Jessee Garcia, an AIDS patient from Gilroy, charged with possessing a small amount of marijuana that guards found in his backpack; 2. Barbara Sloniker, an AIDS patient from Columbia, charged with possessing seven marijuana seeds in her home; and 3. Janice Dubiel of Santa Rosa, a disabled veteran arrested with a joint at a VA hospital, whose case was dismissed. Dale Gieringer, NORML, San Francisco -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUBMZp7F/bKHFVpdQrZAQEsHQQAi46X2r/aZsPOhdQqUBvCmmJjeyloPcLa LCU83nCqPb+hOmE8UB8gpeki2ceBETGVGFyXRtwDDXRot/n+2JUTOJTLY5zFXi25 MSzy/xFBh9+dSaz1uU38JfgCRqgr7jq835wFcVPd4Wyq5uF9JMfNsJyry4ahhES+ Rqsi0HLH6A8= =Q+hB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ~~~ PGPBLUE 3.0 ... 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