--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E3R00001 Date: 03/20/97 From: NICOLE CUNNINGHAM Time: 05:45pm \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Braves changes TM> Justice. Jones and Dye don't make enough money to get rid of, and McGriff' TM> contract is way too much for most teams to risk. That leaves Justice, as s TM> as he proves he's back. Most people agree with you (and so do I but I also think McGriff is a possibility) but the "experts" say that all four of them will stay to play another season. --- Depths Of Limbo * Origin: Demon's Realm (601)-396-1639 (1:3604/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E3R00002 Date: 03/20/97 From: NICOLE CUNNINGHAM Time: 05:50pm \/To: OSCAR VELASCO (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: BRAVES CHANGES OV> season. Obviously, in order to do that McGriff and Justice will the two OV> players to go. Unfortunately, not a lot of teams will touch them because See, that's what I thought but alot of Fox's "experts" think that the Braves will retain all four of the players. I don't have a clue where they would ut the budget if they didn't lose one or both of McGriff and Justice. OV> Klesko on fulltime first base, so they might trade McGriff. Jermaine OV> Dye, and Andrew Jones showed they are ready in the big league so Justice Great! Klesko is one of my fav's. But from what I've heard, he'll end up H. But he is a first baseman by nature. (did you know that when the Braves first brought up Klesko, they were looking at him as a LHP?) And you are definitely right about A.Jones and Dye proving themselves last season! --- Depths Of Limbo * Origin: Demon's Realm (601)-396-1639 (1:3604/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E3R00003 Date: 03/20/97 From: NICOLE CUNNINGHAM Time: 05:55pm \/To: JEFF HORN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: sports JH> What your favorite sport? Mine is football Football is my first love and baseball my second! --- Depths Of Limbo * Origin: Demon's Realm (601)-396-1639 (1:3604/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E3R00004 Date: 03/20/97 From: NICOLE CUNNINGHAM Time: 05:57pm \/To: GEARY WILLIAMS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Braves changes GW> because klesko will have to move to first base.... GW> I look forward to seeing Klesko as a regular in the line up. --- Depths Of Limbo * Origin: Demon's Realm (601)-396-1639 (1:3604/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E3R00005 Date: 03/21/97 From: GEARY WILLIAMS Time: 08:17am \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Braves changes TM> GW> these guys can run hit hit for power, throw.. they can do TM> GW> everything.. they could run 1st and second for rookie of the year this TM> GW> year TM> TM> Dye is not eligible for ROY, so he's not going to finish anywhere in the TM> voting. As for the other things you listed, he doesn't hit very well for TM> either average or power, and has absolutely no clue about the strike one, TM> leading to a terrible on base percentage. He's decent in the field, but TM> nothing to write home about. He's pretty much average at everything, but f TM> some reason, some Braves fans think he's a great, young player. He's not TM> great now and likely never will be. He'll probably always be a good fourth TM> fifth outfielder and nothing better. TM> TM> Jones is another story. He has great written all over him. It's only a TM> matter of time, assuming Cox plays him. TM> people wrote off sammy sosa, and look what the guy turned into.... dye is still a young player.. i think he has potential... jones is as good as it gets... he'll be around a long time... --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: 5Th WaRD BBs (81o)232-5162 (1:2240/420) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E3R00006 Date: 03/21/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 12:54pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: The Tournament Strangely silent in here about the tournament this year, isn't it? :-) So far I'd rate this as one of the best early tournaments in a long time. Upsets, near-upsets and a lot of close games. Will post some numbers for comparison in the very near future. I hope that the committee (Yeah, right) takes this into consideration next year when they start adding in at large teams and seeding teams. **** My top 5 picks (barring an upset or two tonight) are: 1. Kansas. Pollard's injury did them a world of good. Had they gone into this tournament undefeated (and there's no doubt in my mind that they would have if Pollard hadn't gotten hurt), they may have ended up like UNLV. While they have the pressure of being the favorite, they don't have the added pressure of having an undefeated season on the line. UNC *could* make it really difficult for them if they both meet. 2. Kentucky. Yeah, they lost more than their share of players, however, they're playing well and the one thing that they didn't lose was their coach. 3. UCLA. I don't think that they've got the horses to beat Kentucky but I think that they've got enough to beat Minnesota. Iowa State was a good warm up for their matchup with the Gophers. 4. North Carolina. *IF* they make it to the Final Four, they might be able to pull a rabbit out of their hat. 5. Utah. Kentucky's going to be a tough game but if they get past them, I think that they've got a chance to beat UCLA and a better chance at beating Minnesota. Minnesota? I'm not impressed by the Pig 10. Their style of play serves them in conference but in these later rounds, I don't think that they've got the firepower to take it all the way. **** Ok, now it's time to make some more enemies.:-) I keep hearing comparisons between Larry Bird and Keith Van Horn. Well, after seeing him play in the past couple of years, I have to say that on Larry Bird's worst days he doesn't compare to Van Horn. Oh, I don't mean that Van Horn is better but that Bird was NEVER as *limited* as Van Horn. Bird was a much better shooter - with REAL 3-point range, a FAR better rebounder, a FAR better passer and a FAR better defender. I don't even think that Van Horn is as good as Eric Piatkowski, who was a much better player at Nebraska and who had more skills than Van Horn and is currently occupying a spot on the Clippers' bench. The ONLY thing that Van Horn will have on Piatkowski is that he'll get picked by a team that will desperately need someone as hyped up as him to help draw fans (Eric had the misfortune of being drafted by Indiana, which quickly traded him to the Clippers, who had to find playing time for their overpaid guards/forwards and was quickly forgotten). Tim Duncan is the REAL deal and barring injury, will more than justify the hype; Van Horn will only disappoint those who actually believe that he's the second best player in the draft (or college, for that matter). **** Shea Seals. I've heard talk about him being disappointing this season but the fact is that he was the focus of most teams' attention. The NBA will provide him with far more freedom and he's going to be a *Pippin-like* player (Not as good defensively as Scottie is NOW but better than Scottie was as a rookie). **** You know what really gets me steamed is the self-righteous attitude several writers have had toward Bobby Knight because of the latest events. One writer wrote: A friend told me not so long ago: "If I ever had a son who was a basketball player, I would want him to go to Indiana and play for Bobby Knight." I could only look at my friend in silence. (I guess your friend NOW knows how you REALLY feel about him, doesn't he?) He is an intelligent man. He loves his son. And in the coach at Indiana University he sees someone who he believes could help transform a young man into a grown man. He is not alone. Others surely feel the same way, or Bobby Knight would never be able to recruit a single player. But I stand with the rest of the world, with those who see what Knight has done over the years, and I know I would do everything in my power to protect my sons from him, to shield them from him, to keep them from coming under his influence for a single day -- no, for a single minute. (Would you also whine about your kid if he were to choose to go into the military? If you think that Knight's a piece of work, try pulling some of that stuff with a DI. If you'd choose to shield your sons from Knight, are you going to shield him from the rest of the REAL world? Like it or not, the REAL world is a cold cruel place and Knight's kids are better prepared for it than someone who coddles his players. Knight doesn't have a lot of NBAers representing Indiana like some coaches have representing their universities, however, he does have his fair share of doctors, lawyers, etc.). Regardless of what he says, he shows us the real Bobby Knight not by his words but by his actions, by losing control of his temper, by throwing things and assaulting his players, verbally if not physically, and now by looking at a season that was not a success and saying the fault was not with him, but with his players -- the young men he brought to Bloomington with so much promise -- and telling several of them that everyone would be better off if they never saw one another again. (The military doesn't suffer fools, either. If you can't make the grade, sayonara baby -- maybe some civilian company will let you nurse on their corporate teat). The NCAA says a school cannot cancel a scholarship because of athletic performance, but who wants to be where he is not wanted? Knight clearly is trying to run off these underclassmen -- to free up space for new scholarship players -- by telling them that they were free to explore other opportunities, free to clean out their lockers and their dorm rooms and go back where they came from. He met with juniors Neil Reed, Andrae Patterson, Richard Mandeville and Robbie Eggers and expressed his unhappiness with what they had contributed to Indiana's season, which ended with a first round loss to Colorado in the NCAA Tournament. He questioned their dedication and their desire. What he really did was concede he could not coach these young men, could not make them better players or better people and his solution to that was to tell them to go ay. (Knight's had his share of teams that didn't live up to expectations and while I'm not completely familiar with every incident, I can't remember this many people being told to leave. The players that are staying are backing Knight to the hilt and they said THEY were responsible. Maybe they're sucking up to Knight but don't you think that if there isn't more to this than Reed's version, they'd be less likely to support Knight, fearing that he'd do the same thing to them? Reed's said that he's gotten some calls from former IU players supporting him. I'd have to think that they were ones that cut out of there and not the ones that stuck it out and now look back and realize that he prepared them for what the world has to offer) Patterson, Mandeville and Eggers have not commented on their intentions, but Reed, the son of a coach, has taken Knight up on his offer and is leaving Indiana. Though Reed started 26 of the Hoosiers' 33 games, averaged 12.9 points and led the Big Ten in free throw percentage, Knight told him he should go someplace where they would allow him to play his own way. It was a terrible rejection for a young man who went to Indiana believing all the things Knight's supporters have said about him, that he molds boys and makes them men, that his is a tough love that brings results. (Ever heard of Damon Bailey? He put up similar numbers through 3 years and didn't start to reach his potential until his senior season. Despite all the disappointment that he generated among those that expected more, none of his teammates accused him of being selfish like they've said about Reed) Now Reed has seen Knight's methods for what I've always believed them to be -- the paranoid rage of a man unable to control his own emotions while asking others to control theirs. A dysfunctional man posing as a leader of men, who, when facing failure, places the blame on the young men he vowed to tutor. "Leadership requires respect," Reed said in announcing he was leaving Indiana. "I have not been given any respect for three years." (What the hell does Reed know about leadership? Respect isn't DEMANDED, it's COMMANDED. If he doesn't feel that he's been given respect by Knight then maybe he should sit down and reflect on WHY NOT. Knight's given respect to guys with 1/10 the talent of Reed because they did the best that they could so it's not like he never gives his players respect) Still, he wanted to return for more, wanted to prove himself. Perhaps that makes him a masochist. Perhaps it simply makes him a young man who would have preferred to finish what he had begun. It did not matter. Knight had made it plain he would not be welcomed back to the Hoosiers' locker room next season. "If the choice were mine," Reed said. "I would have returned to Indiana University. But the choice was not mine. Coach Knight has made it clear that in making those decisions about my future, he is accountable to no one." (Baloney. Knight made it clear that he's accountable to the FANS and the AM) Indiana has been eliminated in the first round of the NCAA tournament three consecutive years now and finished this season with a 22-11 record after beginning the season 14-1. In the Big Ten the Hoosiers were sixth, with a 9-9 record. During the regular season -- seemingly subdued by the mediocrity of what was being accomplished -- Knight seldom displayed his hair-trigger temper in public. But in the announcement that he was leaving Indiana, Reed accused Knight of continuing "his longstanding tradition of verbal attacks and physical assaults on his players and his coaches." (Looks to me that Reed is using Knight's past as his "loser's limp.") In their post-season meeting, Reed said, Knight told several players: "You guys should transfer, because you are not going to play here next year." In his defense, Knight insisted: "I want ... this to work out for these kids the best way possible. I've told them in each case what I think, and they've thought it over and have told us what they would like to do, and we'll just take that and go from there." That is the way this all looks from his viewpoint. From mine, the old, long-held opinion has been reinforced; a coach is a teacher and should be graded on what he gives his students, not what he kes. (Why not talk to his former players. They have a far different view) Regardless how many basketball games he wins, Knight is not the kind of coach I want my children around as long as he domineers by anger and threats designed to rob his players their pride and their self-respect. (It's doubtful that we'll ever see your kids playing for anyone, let alone Bobby Knight. I don't always agree with Knight's methods, however, they're a lot better than him standing around letting his players play below their potential. Knight hasn't had a lot of players go on and STAR in the NBA, however, the ones that did got as much flak from Knight as Reed. If Reed wants a coach that'll kiss his rear end and let him play below his potential, there are hundreds of universities employing such coaches and not all of them are in Division I) --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: On the 7th day, God created the Dallas Cowboys (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E3R00007 Date: 03/21/97 From: ANDREW SERRANO Time: 07:12pm \/To: NICOLE CUNNINGHAM (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Braves changes NC>That seems to be the consesus. Thanks for the reply. You know, if I had to NC>pick someone to go, it would be Justice but I watched him in a Spring Traini NC>game and he did really well. I mean, yeah, all the others are great! But I NC>afraid that they'll lose someone else just because Justice is proving himsel NC>in Spring Training. Do you think the Braves can afford him for a few more years? I would really like to see him stay, but he was injured most of last year. But then look at Andre Reed of the Buffalo Bills, he was injured two years ago and came back last year to have an awsome year. Maybe Justice will have that luck. e-mail: a_serrano@juno.com --- Moderator: TEEN2613 --- SLMR 2.1a ۲ IN STEREO WHERE AVAILABLE * Origin: Mike's Maze - Webster, NY 716.872.0128 (1:2613/128) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E3S00000 Date: 03/21/97 From: DANIEL DERK Time: 04:56pm \/To: OSCAR VELASCO (Read 0 times) Subj: HURRAY FOR RAY BOURQUE!!! > They were interviewing Ray Bourque on TSN(Canadian SportsNetwork) > one > night and I heard him say, he wanted to stay two more years and will > stay in Boston, the only team in the NHL he played for. He's been in > the > league for 18 years and how good he is, he can make triple tha > amount of > money he is making right now playing for the Rangers, Detroit or any > team that are willing to spend lots of money for a good player. Good to hear that. Ray's a good guy, and a great hockey player. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Telnet toltbbs.com or call 313-854-6001, Boardwatch #55 (1:234/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E3S00001 Date: 03/20/97 From: GREG KURTH Time: 10:16am \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 0 times) Subj: DESMOND HOWARD EG>George. Most of the players that the Raiders got were guys who were unwanted EG>their old teams. Exactly! Unwanted because they were thought to be washed up, or uncontrolable......malcontents. . --- SLMR 2.0 #1330 Bullet casters recycled before it was popular --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Telnet toltbbs.com or call 313-854-6001, Boardwatch #55 (1:234/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E3S00002 Date: 03/20/97 From: ODYSSEY BBS Time: 12:03pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: magazine Hiho what's your favorite magazine? Poll ... Danger, All! Off-topic messages! Danger! ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- wcQWK 5.00 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: RaceNet(tm) Supports Smokers Rights !!! (1:3661/610.0)