--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E2D00006 Date: 02/07/97 From: GREG KURTH Time: 08:09pm \/To: ANDREW SERRANO (Read 1 times) Subj: DEION SANDERS AS> What does everyone think of Deion Sanders return to beseball? If it means he'll spend less time on the gridiron I'm all for it. . --- SLMR 2.0 #1330 Ever notice there's no crime at a shooting range? --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Telnet toltbbs.com or call 313-854-6001, Boardwatch #55 (1:234/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E2D00007 Date: 02/09/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 10:36am \/To: GREG KURTH (Read 1 times) Subj: DALLAS AT GREEN BAY Greg was hit by a Randy Johnson fastball for uttering: EG>> That's out of the question since Howard is an unrestricted free agent. GK> Are you sure about that. I'm positive. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Bill James, James Dunlop. Coincidence? (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E2D00008 Date: 02/09/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 09:32am \/To: ROB FERRARA (Read 1 times) Subj: Howard Rob Ferrara was thrown for a loss after he said: RF> He'll get more than $600k. Unless Ron Wolf has a stroke, it won't be from him. Well, maybe he'll go as high with incentives. RF> You may be right. But, then again, there are some who may RF> think he's a late bloomer, that what's past is past, and that RF> his best years are in front of him. Those people don't reside in Green Bay, Jacksonville or Washington. RF> I, too, think Eric Metcalf is a more proven player. The Pack will RF> have to offer him even more to keep the Falcons from matching and RF> he's quite a bit older. First off, older doesn't necessarily mean worse (Don't you think that if he chooses to play another 5 years that Jerry Rice's next 5 years would be considerably better than Howard's?). Don't forget that Metcalf can return punts, kickoffs, catch passes and run the ball - all, as well or better than Howard. Metcalf may not fit into the system that Reeves will install so they might not be as hot for him. As for being quite a bit older, while Metcalf's been around for 8 years to Dismal's 5, he's only 2 years and 3 months older than Howard and he's probably in better shape than Dismal. RF> Tyrone Hughes of the Saints is another unrestricted free agent who Hughes plays a position that can turn a player from a hero into a goat faster than any other position in football. He could end up filling a spot like Buckley did for Miami. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Bill James, James Dunlop. Coincidence? (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E2D00009 Date: 02/09/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 09:54am \/To: MARK LEWIS (Read 1 times) Subj: Disadvantage of being a s Mark was hit by a Randy Johnson fastball for uttering: ML> I don't thing such as Club loyalities matter any more, players will ML> change clubs at the drop of a hat, if the terms and conditions are ML> right, its a sad but true fact. "Loyalty" exists as much today as it did "back then." Don't forget that loyalty in all pro sports came artificially. When no competing leagues existed, players had no choice but to re-sign with their old teams so their "loyalty" was enforced by the system. When competing leagues sprang up, "loyal" players either jumped or their teams gave them a big enough raise to remain "loyal." When those leagues folded, "disloyal" players went back to the teams that they abandoned and those that stayed and remained "loyal", saw their salaries drop. One can say that far truer "loyalty" has been displayed by players like Kirby Puckett and Larry Bird because they remained with their teams when they had much more freedom to move than guys like Ernie Banks and Bob Cousey. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Does your Big Unit have a Big Hurt? (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E2D00010 Date: 02/09/97 From: DAN GOODMEN Time: 10:37am \/To: DANIEL DERK (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: RE: HEY > DD> Is there any other sport other than hockey? Hockey is the > greatest. DD> DD> > thank you do you play? and if so where? what ice or roller? DD> DD> No don't play, but love to watch ice hockey. Favorite team is Boston so t DD> hasn't been a good year. What about you? DD> DD> --- FLAME v1.1 DD> * Origin: Telnet toltbbs.com or call 313-854-6001, Boardwatch #55 (1:234/2 well i use to play ice but know i play roller... i dont really have a avorite team... --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: The Space Station BBS (805)252-0450 (1:102/1102) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E2E00000 Date: 02/09/97 From: ROB FERRARA Time: 04:58pm \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 1 times) Subj: Howard Ed Grinnell had this to say to Rob Ferrara and I quote: RF> He'll get more than $600k. EG> Unless Ron Wolf has a stroke, it won't be from him. Probably not. I think he's gone. RF> You may be right. But, then again, there are some who may RF> think he's a late bloomer, that what's past is past, and that RF> his best years are in front of him. EG> Those people don't reside in Green Bay, Jacksonville or EG> Washington. Definitely not in Jacksonville or Washington. I think Green Bay wants to keep him. Whether they're in the hunt remains to be seen. The other two probably don't want him at any price. I maintain he'll get somewhere near what he asks for. EG> First off, older doesn't necessarily mean worse (Don't you think EG> that if he chooses to play another 5 years that Jerry Rice's EG> next 5 years would be considerably better than Howard's?). I agree that older does not mean worse but age is a consideration. Jerry Rice is not from the same planet as Metcalf and Howard. You can't use him as a measuring stick. EG> Don't forget that Metcalf can return punts, kickoffs, catch EG> passes and run the ball - all, as well or better than Howard. EG> Metcalf may not fit into the system that Reeves will install EG> so they might not be as hot for him. If he can do all that, why wouldn't he fit in? Reeves has final say on personnel. When did he acquire the transition player status? Was that before or after Reeves? Rob --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Orion's Sword | Bush, LA | (504) 867-9701 | V.* (1:3828/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E2E00001 Date: 02/09/97 From: FRANCIS GRADIJAN Time: 02:17pm \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: interleague play Well I think Interleague play is a great Idea it gives fans a chance to really see who's the best team. Ok Ok there is a bad thing about this- WHAT ABOUT THE WORLD SERIES!!! Gosh it won't be so fun to watch anymore. * SFAME v1.5 COLUMBIA SPITFIRE * Dallas, Tx. * (214) 275-5040 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: COLUMBIA SPITFIRE * Dallas, Texas * (214-275-5040) (1:124/3271) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E2E00002 Date: 02/09/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 10:07pm \/To: ROB FERRARA (Read 1 times) Subj: Howard After being aced by Monica Seles, Rob Ferrara said: RF> Definitely not in Jacksonville or Washington. I think RF> Green Bay wants to keep him. Jacksonville and Washington would have kept him -- for $300,000 but only the Packers were able to pick up that bargain. The Packers would love to keep him but not for 7 figures unless it was an incentive loaded contract. RF> consideration. Jerry Rice is not from the same planet as Metcalf and RF> Howard. Metcalf keeps himself in great shape year round. It's not like Rice but certainly better than Howard. RF> If he can do all that, why wouldn't he fit in? Reeves has final say RF> on personnel. If Reeves runs a system similar to what he did in Denver, Metcalf can find a spot, however, if he runs one like New York, Metcalf wouldn't get as many touches as other players (I don't think he's ready to be a third-down player like Meggett). RF> When did he acquire the transition player status? Was that before or RF> after Reeves? Really doesn't matter, does it? Reeves isn't stupid enough to NOT keep his options open and it doesn't cost them anything to stick the transition tag on Metcalf. It's a smart move because they get something for him if he doesn't re-sign with them. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Jerry Jones is the Anti-Christ (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E2E00003 Date: 02/09/97 From: OSCAR VELASCO Time: 01:17pm \/To: MARK LEWIS (Read 1 times) Subj: DISADVANTAGE OF BEING A S -> I agree with your piont, smaller clubs can no longer competite in the -> big league, its a sad but true event. -> Money makes the world go around, the players are going after that -> money, while their still in demand, (Fair enough). -> I don't thing such as Club loyalities matter any more, players will -> change clubs at the drop of a hat, if the terms and conditions are -> right, its a sad but true fact. -> Money is spoiling, sport, it used to be the games which you played -> for fun, enjoyment, satisfaction and exercise, but not any more. Now -> its all about MONEY! I don't think you will see a team like Edmonton, Calgary, Hartford, BUffalo and any other smaller market team win a Stanley Cup in the near future. There is no such thing as loyalties anymore. I remember back then, players are playing the NHL because of thier love of the game, not because of the money. Now, it is all money and competition with the other players in the team. Case in point: Ed Belfour wanted more money than any other players in the Hawks, which I think makes sense because he was the best player in that team. BUt mocking his teammate like Hackett is not an excuse. You can't say in public that Hackett is just a backup. Because of money, players head are getting bigger. Watch for the players to move somewhere by trading deadline: VANCOUVER : Mogilny, Tikkanen, MacLean-g, Courtnall CALGARY : Gagner (we hope they won't trade him), Reichel, Albelin EDMONTON : Richardson(unresticted free agent after this season) TORONTO : Doug Gilmour HARTFORD : Kevin Haller BOSTON : Rick Tocchett, Adam Oates and many more..... Oscar --- PCBoard 15.2 * Origin: 32 lines 40 Gig BBS, Realtime InterNet SLIP (403)247-7900 (1:134/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E2E00004 Date: 02/09/97 From: GREG KURTH Time: 07:04am \/To: MARK YODER (Read 1 times) Subj: DALLAS AT GREEN BAY MY>They have to work him into the offense or they'll lose him. He's much young MY>than Don Beebe... Yeah, but Beebe still has 4.3 speed, and has prooven he can take numerous big hits. MY>As a return specialist, he plays about 11 plays a game... I though he was MY>making more than the $300k that Ed quoted. Nope. I know it is between $273K and $300K. If the Packer Report posts it, I'll let you know. . --- SLMR 2.0 #1330 Wide awake in dreamland --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Telnet toltbbs.com or call 313-854-6001, Boardwatch #55 (1:234/2)