--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1U00009 Date: 01/24/97 From: NICOLE CUNNINGHAM Time: 12:51pm \/To: ROB FERRARA (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Saints RF> Personally, I think a lot of coaches are obnoxious. True, true... --- Depths Of Limbo * Origin: Demon's Realm (601)-396-1639 (1:3604/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1U00010 Date: 01/24/97 From: NICOLE CUNNINGHAM Time: 12:54pm \/To: HOWARD BRAZEE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Nfl HB> I'm still rooting for the Broncos. I heard I can get pretty good HB> odds now!! :-) Sounds just like my friend. He cried when they lost. It was kind of funny. Actually, I like the '49ers but I like Green Bay too. I really wouldn't mind seeing either team win because the AFC hasn't won in like 13 years or so and Green Bay hasn't won since I and II. But Brett Favre is from close to where I live so I'm leaning more toward Green Bay. --- Depths Of Limbo * Origin: Demon's Realm (601)-396-1639 (1:3604/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1V00000 Date: 01/25/97 From: ROB FERRARA Time: 06:04pm \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Bowls Ed Grinnell had this to say to Rob Ferrara and I quote: RF> I'm not big on at-large bids because they hinge on someone's RF> opinions. EG> So do conference "champions." The Big 10's opinion is that a EG> team that finishes with the best record, even without playing EG> the others involved, constitutes a champion. I would rather they had a way to determine their champion on the field but I'm still only going to allow them one entry in the tournament. If they can live with the way they do it, so will I. I don't intend to impose criteria on the conferences except that they can only send one champion. EG> The SEC/WAC/Big 12 thinks that the champion should be decided by EG> a playoff, the ACC thinks that it should be the regular season EG> champion These are fine methods as far as I'm concerned. EG> and the Big East decides its champion by poll (That is, if 3 or EG> more teams tie and there is no clear head-to-head winner, the EG> highest ranked team is the champion). This is opinion. It sucks but again I wouldn't impose any criteria on them except that they can only send one champion. RF> I would fill out the field with byes and I wouldn't RF> seed the tournament. Everything would be done at random. EG> That's even worse. You could end up with the two best teams EG> playing in the first round. So what? Nothing unfair about it. They're all champions, remember? EG> Since there aren't 16 conferences, some teams HAVE to come from EG> the second place teams. No, they don't. If you have 11 conferences, you place 5 first round byes on the board and draw the 11 teams. Rob --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Orion's Sword | Bush, LA | (504) 867-9701 | V.* (1:3828/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1V00001 Date: 01/25/97 From: ROB FERRARA Time: 05:45pm \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Saints Ed Grinnell had this to say to Rob Ferrara and I quote: RF> He would have to apply that logic to himself as well. The RF> decision didn't stand. EG> Just what decision would have made sense? Any one that wouldn't have to be reversed. Ostensibly, it was Kuharich's decision to make but I'm sure his decision was OK with the owner. He should have made sure it was OK with everyone that mattered. He didn't. Instead, he called a press conference without having his ducks in a row. I consider that bungling and it's probably costing him any chance he had at that job. EG> As the staff proved with its actions, none of them deserved the EG> interim job in the first place and some of them probably cut their EG> own throats with their little mutiny. Rick Venturi, from that staff, got it and is guaranteed a spot in the organization next year. EG> If the Saints, as they are rumored, get Sherman Lewis, don't EG> expect to see him ask for their help. The rumor today is that it will be Mike Ditka and his hand-picked GM. This is one I didn't see coming. Rob --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Orion's Sword | Bush, LA | (504) 867-9701 | V.* (1:3828/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1V00002 Date: 01/25/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 09:46am \/To: ROB FERRARA (Read 0 times) Subj: Bowls Rob accepted an invitation to the Tidy Bowl by saying: RF> I'm not big on at-large bids because they hinge on someone's RF> opinions. So do conference "champions." The Big 10's opinion is that a team that finishes with the best record, even without playing the others involved, constitutes a champion. The SEC/WAC/Big 12 thinks that the champion should be decided by a playoff, the ACC thinks that it should be the regular season champion and the Big East decides its champion by poll (That is, if 3 or more teams tie and there is no clear head-to-head winner, the highest ranked team is the champion). Each champion depends on "someone's opinion" and in some cases, the polls -- another "someone's opinion." RF> I would fill out the field with byes and I wouldn't RF> seed the tournament. Everything would be done at random. That's even worse. You could end up with the two best teams playing in the first round. You might as well throw the system out and keep the bowls because you've decided nothing. RF> take 6 weeks. I figured 16 teams at 4 weeks was feasible. Since there aren't 16 conferences, some teams HAVE to come from the second place teams. In reality, there are only 7 conferences who can claim to have a champion that is able to make a serious run. By granting them automatic bids and filling the field with the best available remaining teams, you've put together the best possible field ala Div-IAA. RF> record, the NCAA has two viable solutions that would only add a RF> week to the tournament. Or they could have 7 conference winners and 9 at-large teams. Your plan doesn't even come close to "only add a week" to the tournament. RF> The stronger conferences should produce a stronger champion. You mean like Villanova and Kansas in the NCAA tournament? --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Does your Big Unit have a Big Hurt? (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1V00003 Date: 01/25/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 10:00am \/To: ROB FERRARA (Read 0 times) Subj: Saints Rob was hit by a Randy Johnson fastball for uttering: RF> He would have to apply that logic to himself as well. The RF> decision didn't stand. Just what decision would have made sense? If you allow the coaches to run the team then why even have someone make the tough decisions in the first place? He made a decision and he should have stuck by it. Ok, so the organization allowed the tail to wag the dog but the fact is, nothing he could have done would have been any better in the long run. As the staff proved with its actions, none of them deserved the interim job in the first place and some of them probably cut their own throats with their little mutiny. If the Saints, as they are rumored, get Sherman Lewis, don't expect to see him ask for their help. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Bill James, James Dunlop. Coincidence? (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1V00004 Date: 01/25/97 From: MARK YODER Time: 08:21pm \/To: DOUG DUNDERMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Holtz While playing "Finger Licking Good" with The Chicken, Doug Dunderman said: DD> If Holtz gets the job will be then become an Irish fan for DD> me????? I just heard today that Ditka might be going to the Saints... -= .\\ark =- ... Doug: A victim of retroactive birth control. --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: Fighting Irish Fan Club (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1V00005 Date: 01/25/97 From: NICOLE CUNNINGHAM Time: 01:01am \/To: ANDREW SERRANO (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: THE BEST "EXPANSION" AS> Excelent choice. And you made it rhyme too. I hope Don Beebe Thanks for noticing :-) AS> finally gets what he's tryed for so hard in the past, a Super Bowl AS> ring. Yeah, me too. It's about time. --- Depths Of Limbo * Origin: Demon's Realm (601)-396-1639 (1:3604/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1V00006 Date: 01/25/97 From: BILL GOUGH Time: 06:48pm \/To: ROB FERRARA (Read 0 times) Subj: Saints Rob Ferrara wrote in a message to Ed Grinnell: RF> The rumor today is that it will be Mike Ditka and his RF> hand-picked GM. This is one I didn't see coming. I'm sure glad I'm not a Saint with Iron Mike coming, life there will never be the same. :) G'Day, Bill Gough --- * Origin: The Comm Shack * Midland TX * 915-689-5435 * (1:3808/19) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1V00007 Date: 01/26/97 From: ROB FERRARA Time: 08:36am \/To: BILL GOUGH (Read 0 times) Subj: Saints Bill Gough had this to say to Rob Ferrara and I quote: RF> The rumor today is that it will be Mike Ditka and his RF> hand-picked GM. This is one I didn't see coming. BG> I'm sure glad I'm not a Saint with Iron Mike coming, life there BG> will never be the same. :) I'm kinda hoping it's not true. Rob --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Orion's Sword | Bush, LA | (504) 867-9701 | V.* (1:3828/1)