--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EG300000 Date: 12/01/97 From: MARK WHITBECK Time: 04:02pm \/To: CRAIG YOUNG (Read 0 times) Subj: Piracy Ya good point thats exactly what I meant.... TTYL.... By the way some of the many programs I have are Warez too! Talk to you later... --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Electronic Avenue BBS 210-533-5668 San Antonio, TX (1:387/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EG300001 Date: 12/01/97 From: EDISON BLACK Time: 12:46pm \/To: MARK WHITBECK (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Piracy In a message of 29 Nov 97 Mark Whitbeck wrote to me: MW> hey.. What's so wrong about going to buy some software aand maybe MW> letting your friends borrow it....it's not like your selling it.. if MW> your selling it i could understand that it could illegal.. but comeon MW> paying that much for software and maybe letting your friend check it MW> out shouldn't be illegal... Well that's not illegal. If you own the software and loan it to someone thats ok. It's the same as selling it and buying it back. It's only illegal when you make a copy so both of you can use it at one time. Edison --- Spot 1.2d Unregistered * Origin: Dislexic of BORG:"Prepare to have your Arse Laminated" (3:712/320.3) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EG300002 Date: 12/02/97 From: ROMMEL MIRAFLORES Time: 12:33pm \/To: CRAIG YOUNG (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Piracy CY> From what I understand, software is like Video Tapes - I believe it's CY> legal to copy them, as long as no profit is involved. In all the cases Actually, the copyright law states that duplication in whole or part is not permitted. Whether profit is being made or not, it is illegal to make copies of a product protected by this law. CY> of arrests & busts for piracy, the only time someone is nailed is when CY> they're making a profit CD's & selling them for $20.00 or something, etc> Some BBSes that get shut down are of free access and don't charge for the software available to users. The only reason that we hear about someone getting "nailed" while making profit is to show how others are making money (and how much) while the creator of the software is missing out on potential users of their product. Peace. --- DOG Pound BBS * Origin: DOG Pound BBS - +1-905 (1:250/323) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EG300003 Date: 11/25/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 02:23pm \/To: EDISON BLACK (Read 0 times) Subj: Piracy Edison, In Edison Black's message to Robert White on <20 Nov 97>, Edison Black said: RW>> The only reason it costs so much is because people like you steal RW>> from the programmer/company produces the software, therefore RW>> taking away profits that are rightfully thiers. They know people RW>> like you are out there and they will loose money because of you. RW>> thats why they charge excessive prices sometimes. EB> Garbage. absolute garbage. So you deny the fact that by Pirating software you are stealing? EB> While I am against piracy, it has nothing EB> to do with the price of software. Microsloth has high prices because EB> bill can sell ice to the eskimos. People are generally computer EB> ignorant and do not know what they need. So along comes bill, with his EB> advertising (advertising is legalised lying) and says 'this is what EB> you need. Thats business, nothing else. EB> People believe it and he charges them insane amounts of EB> money. Like Nike shoes or anything else. Nike doesn't charge insane EB> amounts because tiwanese factories copy nike shoes. Nike charges more EB> money because it can. So too does microsloth. they charge $500 for EB> software because they can. Not because they are being driven into EB> poverty. (he is the richest freaking guy in america isn't he?) ONE of the reasons he does charges as much as he does is because he can. Sure, he is going to get all he can get. Wouldn't you? If you were walking down the street and found $20 in the gutter would you put it in your pocket? Would you take the oppourtunity to get something for nothing? Hello?! Anyone home? Think McFly, think. Regards, - Robert White [ rwhite@cryogen.com - geocities.com/area51/dimension/6715 ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Terminal Shock; Fidonet; Treknet; +61-2-9771-1182 (3:712/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EG300004 Date: 12/02/97 From: JOHN GREER Time: 11:58pm \/To: EDISON BLACK (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Piracy [From: Edison Black] [To: Mark Whitbeck] [Subject: Re: Piracy] eb> Well that's not illegal. If you own the software and loan it to eb> someone thats ok. It's the same as selling it and buying it back. eb> It's only illegal when you make a copy so both of you can use it eb> at one time Maybe you don't read license agreements, you never own the software, just the boxes, disks and books, you lease the software. --- Terminate 5.00/Pro [Boycott Microsoft!] * Origin: - [neuromancer's domain] - @ (1:3407/4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EG300005 Date: 11/30/97 From: ANGELO BRANCADORO Time: 09:25pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: C=64 Hey Listen to this everyone, i went to this software store in a town nearby me, bcause they were going out of business, and so I bought "blank" disks you know I needed some. Well anyway I brought the home and and tried to run them on the C=64 and they were filled with pirated stuff. it was a box of 20 sks! --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Kefka's Lair 203-255-3908. HOME OF FINAL FANTASY! (1:141/421) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EGB00000 Date: 12/04/97 From: EDISON BLACK Time: 06:37pm \/To: ROBERT WHITE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Piracy In a message of 25 Nov 97 Robert White wrote to me: RW> So you deny the fact that by Pirating software you are stealing? Why on earth do you bother replying with such a question when you already know where I stand, and totally agree with me. If you read the paragraph you originally wrote, you were talking about why software costs so much. You went on to say it costs so much because of piracy, which is not true. I said it's garbage. I said it costs so much because the people who sell it simply want to charge so much.... So why do suggest I'm saying something else ? why do you then go on to repeat what I am saying ? Doesn't this : RW> ONE of the reasons he does charges as much as he does is because he RW> can. Sure, he is going to get all he can get. Wouldn't you? sound a lot like this, which you quoted: EB>> they charge $500 for software because they EB>> can. Not because they are being driven into poverty. I already stated I'm against piracy, so why ask me if I don't think it's stealing.... especially when you go on to say this... RW> If you were RW> walking down the street and found $20 in the gutter would you put it in RW> your pocket? Would you take the oppourtunity to get something for RW> nothing? I've found wallets purses etc in the past and have then gone on to find their owners too. I think you should reconsider who you are posing moral questions to. Maybe you should ask yourself such a question. RW> Hello?! Anyone home? Think McFly, think. Edison --- Spot 1.2d Unregistered * Origin: Dislexic of BORG:"Prepare to have your Arse Laminated" (3:712/320.3) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EGF00000 Date: 12/05/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 07:23am \/To: DANIEL TROY (Read 0 times) Subj: Piracy Daniel, In Daniel Troy's message to Edison Black on <29 Nov 97>, Daniel Troy said: DT> In a message originally to Robert White, Edison Black said: EB>> In a message of 13 Nov 97 Robert White wrote to Tim Murray: EB> RW>> The only reason it costs so much is because people like you EB> RW>> steal from the programmer/company produces the software, EB> RW>> therefore taking away profits that are rightfully thiers. EB> RW>> They know people like you are out there and they will loose EB> RW>> money because of you. thats why they charge excessive prices EB> RW>> sometimes. EB>> Garbage. absolute garbage. While I am against piracy, it has EB>> nothing to do with the price of software. Microsloth has high EB>> prices because bill can sell ice to the eskimos. People are EB>> generally computer ignorant and do not know what they need. So EB>> along comes bill, with his advertising (advertising is legalised EB>> lying) and says 'this is what you need. People believe it and he EB>> charges them insane amounts of money. Like Nike shoes or anything EB>> else. Nike doesn't charge insane amounts because tiwanese EB>> factories copy nike shoes. Nike charges more money because it EB>> can. So too does microsloth. they charge $500 for software EB>> because they can. Not because they are being driven into poverty. EB>> (he is the richest freaking guy in america isn't he?) EB>> Edison DT> I agree with Edison 100% microsoft have no respect they want to DT> monopolise the whole software industry so fuck them Thats the same as every company dill weed!. Its called BUSINESS! And its not a crime. It is completley within the constraints of the Law. Get used to it. Regards, - Robert White [ rwhite@cryogen.com - geocities.com/area51/dimension/6715 ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Terminal Shock; Fidonet; Treknet; +61-2-9771-1182 (3:712/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EGF00001 Date: 12/05/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 07:24am \/To: MARK WHITBECK (Read 0 times) Subj: Piracy Mark, In Mark Whitbeck's message to Edison Black on <29 Nov 97>, Mark Whitbeck id: MW> hey.. What's so wrong about going to buy some software aand maybe MW> letting your friends borrow it....it's not like your selling it.. if MW> your selling it i could understand that it could illegal.. but comeon MW> paying that much for software and maybe letting your friend check it MW> out shouldn't be illegal... You are still stealing potential profit away from the Companys involved. Regards, - Robert White [ rwhite@cryogen.com - geocities.com/area51/dimension/6715 ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Terminal Shock; Fidonet; Treknet; +61-2-9771-1182 (3:712/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EGF00002 Date: 12/05/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 07:25am \/To: CRAIG YOUNG (Read 0 times) Subj: Piracy Craig, In Craig Young's message to Mark Whitbeck on <30 Nov 97>, Craig Young said: ->> hey.. What's so wrong about going to buy some software aand maybe ->> letting your friends borrow it....it's not like your selling it.. ->> if your selling it i could understand that it could illegal.. but ->> comeon paying that much for software and maybe letting your friend ->> check it out shouldn't be illegal... CY> From what I understand, software is like Video Tapes - I believe it's CY> legal to copy them, as long as no profit is involved. The government dosent see it that way at all. CY> In all the cases of arrests & busts for piracy, the only time someone CY> is nailed is when they're making a profit board,copying Win95 CD's & selling them for $20.00 or something, CY> etc> thats coz if they hooked every dishonest person there wouldnt be many ppl left that werent behind bars/fined. Regards, - Robert White [ rwhite@cryogen.com - geocities.com/area51/dimension/6715 ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Terminal Shock; Fidonet; Treknet; +61-2-9771-1182 (3:712/101)