--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EBQ00007 Date: 07/21/97 From: AARON GELNER Time: 11:32am \/To: MARTIN BISHOP (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Pir8s in my area MB> I doubt anyone will agree with me on this, but I can't help but think MB> that computer pirating is reckless, stupid and makes a bad name for other MB> people....there are so many stupid IRC #warez or whatever it is really MB> ruining this thing we call the internet for everyone...many people truly MB> interested in computers and networks have been put in jail because of the MB> paranoia created every time some moron has to go say "I need illegal MB> software!" pirating was a REAL thing back in the early 80's when people MB> were pirating to break copy protection and that's it, it's not like that MB> nowadays.... Here is my opinion on the internet. I possibly say warez MAKES UP the internet, and if it weren't for them so elite "warez kiddies" than we'd possibly have only 10% of what we have now today of the net... :( There are just so many. I remember back about 7 months ago when I was one of those lamers. But ya know, hacking in our area beats warez which makes me happy. :) Public H/P/A/V boards with totally legal content, and then sysop talks so much $#!T about the warez kiddies... Geeze, I personally love art (ansi, ascii) over warez, cause we have/had a group, FoS in our area..... But now, it is D.E.A.D. hehe. People pirating back in the 80s had more intellect though =). Now days, "OH MAN, I **HAVE** TO GET THAT GAME" makes em sound so lame now days. But ya know what is funny, half THOSE WAREZ KIDDIES are not who you or I think. I was in a *GROUP* for like a week, and wel, the group pres was not someone who liked warez, he started a group to bust us all. But we all never went back on that irc channel.. heh. Well, I at least beleive that, but possibly, someone was IP spoofin ;). I appreciate your opinion though. But remember, now days it is greed, jealousy of bill gates, etc. Not none of this TRY AND DO THIS AND THAT. They are to dumb now days.. If it were the adults, well, than it would be better if it were ONLY them, cause with kids, such as myself, it is just GREED :) Who can get what first etc... It does get funny though on PUBLIC boards. Best places to bust because the board I am takng out requires MONEY to access em, and then right there, that is when the feds, etc, REALLY CARE. Who the @%#$# should be making money off pirating? I wanted to at one time, but looked through copyright materials, past bust articles, etc, It did NOT look to fun. They charge you pretty good. hahaha ;) . Oh well. I hope I put this warez "30" year old dude in his place where he belongs.. ;) B&MB, Devious --- AdeptXBBS v1.10a (FREEWare/2) * Origin: Deep Within The Abyss .. Lies The Inner Sanctum! (1:282/4123) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EBR00000 Date: 07/21/97 From: JOHN GREER Time: 01:59pm \/To: AARON GELNER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Pir8s in my area AG> As I stated above, I have been clean for 4 months. Not ANYTHING in my Clean? You must have been severly addicted to warez. Lemme guess, mommy saw your phone bill and took your modem away for a month? --- Terminate 4.00 * Origin: [John Greer's FidoNet Point] Via (1:3407/25.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EBR00001 Date: 07/21/97 From: JOHN GREER Time: 02:02pm \/To: AARON GELNER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Pir8s in my area AG> It is your punk @$$3@ who make bill gates rich anyways. Look at you, AG> they AG> DO raise prices do to PIRATING. forget it, I am getting to hateful of you AG> AG> warez kiddies.. rest will be discontinued, I do not wish to reply to Quite the little narc aren't you? --- Terminate 4.00 * Origin: [John Greer's FidoNet Point] Via (1:3407/25.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EBR00002 Date: 07/21/97 From: MARTIN BISHOP Time: 10:21pm \/To: AARON GELNER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: piracy -=> I *PERSONALLY* think people like to rip off Bill Gates -=> because they are -=> just so damn jealous of his money that they can NEVER -=> have... Some people get -=> to over-reacted with things such as piracy. It is all just -=> greed. Bill gates -=> isn't greedy, he just knows how to earn money quite well and -=> I am sure we all -=> would be doing the same god damn thing as well if we could. -=> I bet most of ya -=> would have to agree with that, but then again, those people -=> who say, rich -=> people suck... jealousy! =) heh Don't say they can "never" have it...but if you are a little pirate warez junkie, that's probably the case. The one reason I HATE the internet. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: DaCool BBS (516)496-4956 - Syosset, NY (1:2619/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EBS00000 Date: 07/20/97 From: KALMAN DANIEL Time: 04:53pm \/To: MICHAEL MAXWELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Hellloooo?? Michael Maxwell wrote to All on 16 Jul 97 06:02:26 Greetings Michael Maxwell ! MM> Why doesn't anyone come here? What do you mean ? MM> What I want to know is how come at the begining of many programs, they MM> say piracy raises prices? If a person gives a copy of, let's say MM> Duke3D, to three of his friends. How does that raise prices? Quite simple. The software companies say, that if they could sell the stuff to twice as many people, they would sell it cheaper. This, of course, is not self evident, because if they can sell it to twice as many people on the same price, they won't lower prices. But if they lowered prices now (without condition) they would get more people buying, the question is, would it worth it ? I gotta get some sleep... Daniel ... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander. --- OMX/Blue Wave/386 v2.30 * Origin: SM_aRT's HeadQuarters, Earth Colony (2:371/20.69) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EBS00001 Date: 07/20/97 From: KALMAN DANIEL Time: 05:00pm \/To: BRUCE CLARK (Read 0 times) Subj: Hellloooo?? Bruce Clark wrote to Michael Maxwell on 18 Jul 97 04:26:57 Greetings Bruce Clark ! MM> friends. How does that raise prices?? The companies just MM> won't sell as many, and neither will the store. So if anyone knows, MM> please let me know. BC> That's exactly the problem. Because the stores will sell fewer copies BC> of the software, the software company won't make as much money. As a BC> result, they have to increase the prices that the legitimate users pay BC> in order to keep that level of income. Don't tell me ANY company will lower prices just because more people are buying the stuff. In general, they can sell so many copies of Doom, Quake, and other popular games, that they evindently make huge profits, and they ell the software on the price that brings the most profit, not on the one that he users would like. BC> Think of it this way - The BC> programmer's want to get paid, the graphic artists want to be paid, BC> etc. etc. You tell me what the company is supposed to do to be able to BC> pay those people (let alone make a profit) if only a handfull of copies BC> of the software are sold because of piracy. The company is supposed to write programs that people are willing to buy. I don't think much people are willing to pay for another boring average DOOM clone, they just use the shareware version, play it for a couple of days and delete the whole thing. If a company has a brilliant new idea out of which they can make a superb exciting brand new game (not a clone) they will be ble to make profit. if they can only make average games - well don't be suprised if noone will buy them. Regards. Daniel ... If banks can count why do they have 8 windows & 4 tellers --- OMX/Blue Wave/386 v2.30 * Origin: SM_aRT's HeadQuarters, Earth Colony (2:371/20.69) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EBT00000 Date: 07/22/97 From: MARTIN BISHOP Time: 03:42pm \/To: AARON GELNER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Pir8s in my area -=> ..... -=> Oh well. I hope I -=> put this warez "30" year old dude in his place where he -=> belongs.. ;) I wouldn't exactly say 90% of the internet is warez, mostly the irc channels are warez and porn, but most of the actual www is real...some of it is warez, a lot of it is porn and some of it is psuedo-hacking, you know...one of those stupid AOHell things I can't stand!!! I don't know about these stupid "groups". It's all a bunch of runny nosed kids trying to be k00l or k-rad or whatever, I used to be like that maybe two years ago, but I know PERSONALLY some of these warez dopes and I know they will never change. I was supposed to draw some ansees for the warez group TcF...so I'm gonna send them an ANSI bomb in it, that will be one less "group" to worry about. I personally have never been in an ANSI group (a real GROUP with people who share ideas and trade artwork) but I draw all of them for tSM and some other groups (tSM is not a warez group). There used to be one BIG ansi club in 516, i believe it was MiRTH, but it died --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: DaCool BBS (516)496-4956 - Syosset, NY (1:2619/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EBT00001 Date: 07/23/97 From: MARTIN BISHOP Time: 12:44am \/To: AARON GELNER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Pir8s in my area -=> Here is my opinion on the internet. I possibly say warez -=> MAKES UP the...... -=> .......Oh well. I hope I -=> put this warez "30" year old dude in his place where he -=> belongs.. ;) Sorry...i got a call replying to this message so here is the rest of my ply. I don't think that the internet is ALL warez, just the stupid IRC channels (something else to get addicted to), and the newsgroups..Now, what makes me mad is that a lot of the WWW is PORN! Porn and warez, what a great combination! In total of the so called "elite" sites out there they are 30 % warez/porn, 50 % psuedo hacking and a mere 20 % REAL hacking! By psuedo hacking I mean like that AOHell garbage that might as well be considerd warez....whats the "hacking" part, just click a few buttons and thats it! This is my kind of manifesto (like the UNAbomber!).... I think that all illegal trading/sharing of commercial software is not only stupid, pointless and un-ethical, it gives a bad name to REAL hackers and cool people! The cops or fbi or nsa isn't going to take away you're computer if you are just a little warez punk who surfs the channels looking for new warez, but the second you join a "group" forget about it.....Strength in numbers. Law authorities have more strength the more warez dorks they catch. Don't even try to make excuses "Bill Gates sucks and is richer than me so I steal his companies crap!" or "It won't hurt this HUGE company!" that is total BS!!! Every time something is not paid for, in retrospect, someone probably loses thier job or something evil happens to that particular company...companies aren't bad, they're just trying to do what capitalism has forced them into...make money. Warez actually is a distant relic of capitalism, as the more possesions you have in the warez world, the cooler and more important you are...If things had gone otherwise, nothing would be like the world of 1997 we see today, look for my letter to 2600 about this for further details.... A lot of stuff sucks. IRC is the WORST thing that ever happened....i don't even think this needs an explanation, luckily I have only HAD TO use it 4 times in my life, and all of them were in the #UNiX..pornagraphy sucks...it's just an replacement for a real relationship and i would like to kill every punk sitting in front of thier computer right now with a huge hard-on!!!! It's gotten me into more trouble than you could EVER CONTEMPLATE!!! I say this for you're own HEALTH!! Back in the day.... Back in the 80's, Pirating was for the sole purpouse of seeing if you could reverse engineer the coding, usually Error 23...that is not the way today.. What's a "hex-editor" said SuPeR-3lit3... Busted... Although I say warez is a worthless waste of muscle it takes to type...I personally would NEVER "bust" a sysop of a warez BBS, however I WOULD try with all my might to take down that f-ing board, reroute the line to some pakistanee grocery store, bring it down HARD!!! Let's take for example....if someone stopped a bank robber, but shot him with an unlicsened gun, who do you think they would feel more sympathetic about????? Real Hacking I describe the term REAL HACKING much in the above text...when I say REAL HACKING i am referring to any dedicated programmer who works in network setups, etc. anyone who explores various systems without doing any harm, anyone who experiments with phones and challenges the stupidity of the fone company, or any person interested in electronics, radio or ANSI artwork....what I mean psuedo-hacking, im talking about credit fraud and just being in it for a few free phone calls..... Final Thoughts... Why do people do it??? I don't know, I know I once did...and still don't know WHY! I can be patient with pirates but i choose not to...thankfully, people were not patient with me, and I can't thank them enough for it. By the way....Aaron...I've been modemless for a year, all my true hacking bbses are gone, know of any new ones in 516???? There like the only places you can post messages and get a quick response...it's sad that so much happened in 516...2600 Magazine, a few important elements in the formation of LoD, the whole MoD thing...just so much, and now all the more recent BBS's are gone (In Bloom, Route 666, Dead Pig, Ultra Sonic)... Have a 71derful day! TSM Co-Founder Martin Bishop --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: DaCool BBS (516)496-4956 - Syosset, NY (1:2619/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EBT00002 Date: 07/23/97 From: MARTIN BISHOP Time: 12:15am \/To: JOHN GREER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: piracy -=> Obviously the opinion of someone who doesn't live in -=> the -=> same state as him. Maybe your not aware of -=> Anti-Trust laws -=> in America. Currently he's violating them and will -=> be dealt -=> with in the near future. Dammit! All's fair in business!!!! Bill Gates might have stepped on a few people to get where he is, it makes him an asshole, but it also DOES make him the richest man on earth (next to Warren Buffet, and we don't see all ya bashing him!). If Bill Gates made his fortune on plumbing equipment no one would care! Why don't you stop worring about what Bill Gates does and worry about yourself for once...if Billy boy did something bad, than he deserves to pay for it....if you don't like Microsoft software, don't use it...I don't! --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: DaCool BBS (516)496-4956 - Syosset, NY (1:2619/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: EBT00003 Date: 07/21/97 From: RYAN BAGUEROS Time: 05:15pm \/To: MARTIN BISHOP (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: piracy *** Quoting Martin Bishop from a message to Albert Alcoceba *** MB> Yeah, why do most people say "Bill Gates sucks and he's rich so no MB> one cares and I'm going to steal his software" when they could be MB> out BECOMING Bill Gates writing they're own software that *really* Of course, keep in mind that Bill Gates is doing everything in his power (and he's got a lot of it) to make sure that this DOESN'T happen.. including making Windows a monopoly. --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: #thepublicistoblame#.subversivetelecom.OHiO (1:226/580.5)