--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: E4J00005 Date: 04/14/97 From: JOE BOSWELL Time: 09:30am \/To: JOHN GREER (Read 0 times) Subj: Hmm... The point? -> I wonder sometimes what the point is to debate software piracy? -> -> It will ALLWAYS exist. There is no way to stop it unless -> the US gets really "Big brother", if you know what I mean. Well then one could say whats the point, there will always be a drug war, there will always be loadies, there will always be corruption, there will always be greed, point it, this all feeds off one thing, what is that one thing inside everyone that makes them do it? Greed, has to be something deeper, theres people out there that do this stuff for many many different reasons, lack of money, boredom, just to see if they can or how far it can go, immaturity. These seem to be the main reasons for it, the lack of money well heh that would be a discussion all in itself, boredom would be easily fixed, kids get done with theyre school stuff and come home to house with a computer in it and no ones around, what a perfect scenario, or you get off work and come home to an empty house and nothing to do but use the computer, dont want to pay for the art stuff you always wanted to do so what do you do? Steal it? How do you get people like that to stop? Another one I couldnt answer. Then theres the people that do it 'just to do it' heh that persons motivation/drive whatever really will tell how far they will go, cannot really stop curiosity. Immaturity, heh get the stupid kid in a baseball game not a computer get him interacting with other kids or reading in the library or something... Theres my opinion on the piracy thing. Everybody make piracy into a big thing these days, we have much bigger problems in this country other than piracy, we should try fixing the original problem we shut out and then these problems would fix/heal themselves. joe. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 * Origin: The Mystic Tower BBS Santee, CA (619) 596-0271 (1:202/330.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: E4L00000 Date: 04/15/97 From: JOHN GREER Time: 04:30pm \/To: KALMAN DANIEL (Read 0 times) Subj: heh Is it just me? KD> Now that's a base for comparison, here you'd get $150 for a months work KD> in burger king. Around here you get 150 a week working at Burger King. --- Terminate 4.00/Pro * Origin: [John Greer's Point... Via FidoNet] - (1:3407/25.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: E4M00000 Date: 04/16/97 From: JOE BOSWELL Time: 11:26am \/To: KALMAN DANIEL (Read 0 times) Subj: heh Is it just me? -> -> JB> applications put out by software companies. -> -> Would you please tell me how should I buy a $50 game from a hungar -> -> salary (about $200) ? And I don't even earn that much as I'm a st -> JB> Whats that an average of? What line of work? -> -> It's an average kind of average :) -> But to be more specific, if you work in Mc Donalds, you get 0.85 $ an -> This means $150 if you work 5 days a week, 8 hours a day. AHHH damn heh is the no such thing as like mi wage or what!?! No wonder these companies are so rich.. -> JB> Heh get in contact with the -> JB> hungarian black market if you want games cheaper. -> Don't worry, I'm already in contact with us... I mean them :) Heh I was serious... heh if you were to then heh... -> excuse at JB> all, if you dont have the money to buy a game, you -> either need to, 1 -> JB> work harder, -> I suppose games are made for kids/students mainly who can't work hard -> more money. Theyre made for the leisurly person that cant play a real game, like football or something... -> JB> or 2 heh get the hell out of the country, -> Well, that's what I'm not willing to do just to pay Bill what he -> wants. Nobody said you have to pay him just because you make more money! Heh -> JB> by the way is that 200 monthly weekly or what? -> Monthly. Weekly 200 is a top category salary here, not an average. Jesus... 200 a week wont even get you by on your own here, but then a taco bell or burger king job is not meant to... -> -> hungarian language cheaper as I -> -> don't think you for example would learn the hungarian language to -> -> use the software. -> JB> kinda understood that but the first parts just hazy? -> -> I meant that they could sell software in poor countries cheaper, and -> make more profit. Sounds that way! :) -> -> Do you know how much M$ Office '95 costs in Hungary ? About $600 -> -> which is three month's average salary here. -> JB> Well lets see here, 600 for MS OFFICE 95 huh.... -> -> How much does it cost where u live ? You didn't even say where you l Bout the same I guess heh dont really care how much it costs... ;) I live in Southern California, best place on earth! -> ass off 400 -> JB> every 4 weeks, 100 a week, -> -> Now that's a base for comparison, here you'd get $150 for a months wo -> burger king. heh That kinda dampens your day! -> JB> much you make, well its hard to really say anything since I know -> JB> NOTHING about hungary or anything of the sort, heh never really -> thought JB> I would be talking to a guy from there either but.... -> -> I don't expect anyone outside of Europe to have heard of Hungary, don -> worry. -> But I do expect you to know where Europe is, as I have heard of a few -> american -> guys who thought it was a state of the USA... :-( Hah yea most of us here seem to not be too bright, there are some STUPID people out here but then we have our really really SMART people too, they all seem to have gone into acting because THATS where the money is... -> JB> heh anyways you -> JB> mentioned 200 and im guessing thats average wage, again I dont -> know JB> what its an average OF so? -> -> Average salaery/wage for all kinds of work. But someone who finished -> school usually earns more than $200, lets say $300. But 10% of peopl -> could work dont have any job at all, so you have to be happy with -> anything you -> find. Im pretty sure a guy in hungary who graduated from college with a masters in engineering makes more than 200 a week starting off. cane. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 * Origin: The Mystic Tower BBS Santee, CA (619) 596-0271 (1:202/330.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: E4M00001 Date: 04/16/97 From: JOE BOSWELL Time: 11:32am \/To: KALMAN DANIEL (Read 0 times) Subj: heh Is it just me? -> Joe Boswell wrote to Vince Woo on 08 Apr 97 12:21:39 -> -> Hali Joe Boswell ! -> -> -> JB> pirated these days, mostly it seems by people UNDER the age -> of 18 -> JB> which are never really likely to buy the game they -> pirate anyhow, -> Maybe people under the age of 18 can't afford -> these prgs??? -> JB> Then maybe people under 18 shouldnt have these programs? -> WHY ??? Just because they or their parents dont earn enough ? -> Lets suppose I dont have enough maney for a program even if I work ha -> it. Just tell me why is it in this case worse for a programmer if I -> software and use it for my own purposes ? Don't tell me he loses -> money, because we supposed I dont have enough money so I wouldn't -> pay for the stuff. I said maybe they shouldnt have it, what person under 18 needs to pirate in the first place? They dont NEED something that badly do they? Im sure they can find a suitable replacement thats cheaper... In any case if they keep the same prices there as they are here and the min wage it 10x lower well then by all means, pirate the hell outta it if it keeps you going, you do what you gotta do. -> JB> should have theyre parents get them these programs. Or maybe, -> just JB> maybe they should do a little work, -> Yes. Unfortunatelly 'that little work' is about three times as much -> here as -> it is at your place for the same software. Thanks, but no thanks. Heh yea so I hear... Well I have no real arguement with piracy I just like to see what people use as an excuse, thing is pretty much everyone here in the US that uses that excuse cannot be for real, you can get a game for like 50 bucks and you make 50 bucks in a day.... With a burger King job. joe --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 * Origin: The Mystic Tower BBS Santee, CA (619) 596-0271 (1:202/330.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: E4M00002 Date: 04/16/97 From: JOE BOSWELL Time: 11:34am \/To: KALMAN DANIEL (Read 0 times) Subj: Ok all someone tell me this? -> Joe Boswell wrote to All on 08 Apr 97 12:38:29 -> -> Hali Joe Boswell ! -> -> JB> Ok PUNISHMENT, for pirates, does anyone know I MEAN KNOW exactly -> JB> what is done to a person found pirateing this or that, Im not -> talking JB> some little 14 year old idiot I mean like 0-7 day or -> 0-12 Hour FTP with -> JB> say 3 to 5 gigs on it of Illegal software, what would happen to -> JB> person? -> In which country ? In mine, the biggest penalty so far was about $22 -> was charged to two BBS's having some pirate files. Apart of that, if -> catch some companyes pirating, the worst is if they make them pay for -> the stuff they pirated. The US, they usually get pretty evil with the BBSs, charging them thius much for every instance, heh you know how that goes with 3 to 5 gigs of pirated software, somewhere in the neighborhood of 1 to 2 hundred counts of whatever... joe. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 * Origin: The Mystic Tower BBS Santee, CA (619) 596-0271 (1:202/330.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: E4M00003 Date: 04/15/97 From: JOE NHOR Time: 09:28pm \/To: JOE BOSWELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Ok all someone tell me this? G'Day Joe! JB> thought) so that would mean more than likely 1+ years in prison? JB> Charges for that higher than that of say homocide? I believe if what I remember is correct, it is a felony offence, under the copyright act, punishable by a maximum 5 years imprisonment and up to a 1 million dollar fine. Which is why if you do it, you'd better be damn careful not to get caught ith 3-5 gigs of NPD on your system. --- GoldED/2 2.50+ * Origin: Aces High/2 [905]547-5825 Hamilton, Ont. [Canada] (1:244/99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: E4M00004 Date: 04/15/97 From: JOE NHOR Time: 09:24pm \/To: JOHN GREER (Read 0 times) Subj: Hmm... The point? G'Day John! JG> I wonder sometimes what the point is to debate software piracy? There is none. You're either pro, or you're con, typing this message with a hacked editor. JG> the US gets really "Big brother", if you know what I mean. Actually... several authors are getting very very good at screwing up rates. Things such as hard drive overwrites and ugly viruses deliberately placed in the program come to mind. With a simple disclaimer that even a lawyer 5 minutes off the bench can write, it's all legal too. I do none of the above. Then again, I don't care too much either. If someone's going to rip me off for the penny ante money that I'm getting, then they've lost money by hacking it :-) --- GoldED/2 2.50+ * Origin: Aces High/2 [905]547-5825 Hamilton, Ont. [Canada] (1:244/99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: E4M00005 Date: 04/16/97 From: ALBERT ALCOCEBA Time: 10:58pm \/To: KALMAN DANIEL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: heh Is it just me? Hi Kalman! In Kalman Daniel's message to Joe Boswell on <12 Apr 97>, Kalman Daniel said: KD> WHY ??? Just because they or their parents dont earn enough ? KD> Lets suppose I dont have enough maney for a program even if I work KD> hard for it. Just tell me why is it in this case worse for a KD> programmer if I copy the software and use it for my own purposes ? KD> Don't tell me he loses money, because we supposed I dont have enough KD> money so I wouldn't pay for the stuff. I can't afford to buy a car. Tell me how it will affect Porche if I steal one of their cars because I don't have enough money and I wouldn't have bought one anyway. Regards, Albert --- FMailX 1.22+ * Origin: Stormblade BBS +61-2-9545-4371 (3:712/320) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: E4N00000 Date: 04/15/97 From: MICHAEL LUTZ Time: 08:16pm \/To: KALMAN DANIEL (Read 0 times) Subj: heh Is it just me? KD>WHY ??? Just because they or their parents dont earn enough ? KD>Lets suppose I dont have enough maney for a program even if I work hard or KD>it. Just tell me why is it in this case worse for a programmer if I copy th KD>software and use it for my own purposes ? Don't tell me he loses money, KD>because we supposed I dont have enough money so I wouldn't pay for the stuff Lets say that a rich uncle that you never knew dies and leaves you $1mil. And say I take it and you never know about it. Is that right? * SLMR 2.1a * Mice Krispies: The breakfast food cats prefer. --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: Wizard's Tower BBS, NJ (V34+) (908)-473-1933 (1:107/7010) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 167 NO PIRACY Ref: E4N00001 Date: 04/18/97 From: TERRY CHENG Time: 12:21am \/To: JOE BOSWELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Ok all someone tell me this? -=> Quoting Joe Boswell to All <=- Hi Joe, JB> is done to a person found pirateing this or that, Im not talking JB> some little 14 year old idiot I mean like 0-7 day or 0-12 Hour FTP with JB> say 3 to 5 gigs on it of Illegal software, what would happen to such a Well I have seen and still see plenty of web pages with pirated software on them, and they are still alive, not to mention BBS with pirated software and also FTP sites. I know that the "net police" search for things like these, but they mustn't be doing a very good job if so many of them still exist. Software piracy will be very hard to police, because I bet you that everyone has some sort of pirated software on their computer. Regards - Terry -+- OLMS 2.53p UNREG --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848)