--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1D00004 Date: 01/08/97 From: MARK YODER Time: 08:08pm \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 2 times) Subj: Football Playoff While threatening to strike, Ed Grinnell said to Mark Yoder: MY>> I thought it interesting that during the bowls on CBS, Holtz was MY>> such a campaigner for the playoff system. EG> I think it makes a lot of sense for him to be a proponent. I think it makes sense for *everyone* to be a proponent. -= .\\ark =- ... Religious error: (A)tone, (R)epent, (B)lame Ed? --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: Cubbies Forever! (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1D00005 Date: 01/08/97 From: MARK YODER Time: 08:26pm \/To: DOUG DUNDERMAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Football Playoff Doug Dunderman caught a foul-tip in the mask for saying: DD> It would not be to any advantage to Notre Dame to join a DD> conference. DD> 1. They have such a large backing all over the country and as DD> and independent they can schedule who they want to schedule. Not actually... Several teams that they used to play fairly consistently are now tied to conference schedules which allow them two or three *max* games per year to schedule out of the conference. That was one of the biggest reasons the Miami/ND games went away. Miami joined the Big East and had the choice of playing Florida/Florida St/ND, or tossing out one of the three and playing an easier opponent. Gee.. when you're out of conference schedule is UF/FSU/ND, makes you want to get back to those conference games, don't it? 8-) DD> 2. Would have to share profits from a bowl with the conference. Not to mention TV revinues, and the NBC contract would go away most ckitick. DD> 3. Would more than likely not have a big TV contract that helps DD> in recruiting and brings in more money to the athlete DD> department. Yeah.. that's what I said. 8-) DD> 4. Doug and Mark don't like the idea. (This is the biggest DD> reason that Mark and I can think of for not having ND join DD> a conference. Wait a sec.. now you're getting me more hate-ND mail. 8-) -= .\\ark =- ... Doug: Gold medalist, freestyle conclusion-jumping event. --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: Cubbies Forever! (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1D00006 Date: 01/08/97 From: MARK YODER Time: 08:01pm \/To: DOUG DUNDERMAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Holtz Doug Dunderman was beaned by Jose Canseco wild pitch for saying: DD> You can sure tell that Dale Brown has resigned. The day after he made DD> it official, he suspended his top scorer from the team for the year. Hehe... now that's the move of a nothing-to-lose coach. 8-) DD> coach. I see that Homer Drew from Valpo may be in the running for his DD> job. Homer served under Brown at LSU when he was first starting out. No kidding? I know Homer personally from his days at Bethel College in Mishawaka. Super guy and a very good coach. -= .\\ark =- ... Attention everybody! Doug has another cunning plan! --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: Fighting Irish Fan Club (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1D00007 Date: 01/08/97 From: ROB FERRARA Time: 07:53pm \/To: DOUG DUNDERMAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Football Playoff Doug Dunderman had this to say to Rob Ferrara and I quote: RF> Eliminate the need for rankings altogether. Take eight RF> conference champions or sixteen. I don't know how many RF> conferences there actually are. Independents will have to RF> join a conference, form a conference, or sit out. DD> It would not be to any advantage to Notre Dame to join a DD> conference. That would change when my system is instituted. Want to win the National Championship? Join a conference or form a conference. See how easy that is. DD> 1. They have such a large backing all over the country and as DD> and independent they can schedule who they want to schedule. Hence the term, "independent". DD> 2. Would have to share profits from a bowl with the conference. Would have to share profits from a playoff system with the other playoff participants. That's fair. DD> 3. Would more than likely not have a big TV contract that helps DD> in recruiting and brings in more money to the athlete depart- DD> ment. Probably true. A level playing field would hurt the haves more than the have-nots in the beginning. I concede that point. DD> 4. Doug and Mark don't like the idea. (This is the biggest DD> reason that Mark and I can think of for not having ND join DD> a conference. No problem. My system would eliminate subjectivity, ratings, and favoritism. And I expect a lot of sacred cows would moo. So be it. This is strictly cannon fodder, however. The NCAA would never step on this many toes. Rob --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Orion's Sword | Bush, LA | (504) 867-9701 | V.* (1:3828/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1D00008 Date: 01/08/97 From: ROB FERRARA Time: 07:57pm \/To: DOUG DUNDERMAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Bowls Doug Dunderman had this to say to Rob Ferrara and I quote: RF> Yep. You wouldn't like it, though. It would not include RF> independents. DD> Rob, you can't just let independants out of the picture. Please, DD> see my other message in regards to ND and why they have to stay DD> as independant. They don't "have" to. That's ridiculous. And I wouldn't be leaving them out of the picture. They'd be leaving themselves out if they chose to remain independent. When their tradition of not accepting bowl bids started being a disadvantage, they changed tradition. Independence would put up a better fight but would succumb. Rob --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Orion's Sword | Bush, LA | (504) 867-9701 | V.* (1:3828/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1D00009 Date: 01/08/97 From: ROB FERRARA Time: 08:35pm \/To: DOUG DUNDERMAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Student-Athletes Doug Dunderman had this to say to Rob Ferrara and I quote: DD> I for one think that ALL student-athletes should be required to DD> to maintain a "C" average. RF> All students, you mean. The athlete's standards should not RF> be any higher or lower than the rest of the student body's. DD> Rob, Rob, Rob, you are again missing the point of the message. DD> Notre Dame requires along with all students to maintain a "C" DD> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Read again, Doug. You said "ALL" student-athletes. DD> average. The point that I was trying to make was, that ND's DD> ^^^^^^^^ DD> requirements for the student-athlete is higher than what the DD> NCAA requires. Maybe so, but that's not what you said. DD> While I'm at it...I think that a lot of schools are using the DD> student- athlete while they make millions in football. RF> That's a mouthful from a Notre Dame fan. Notre Dame easily RF> makes the most millions. Are THEY using their athletes? DD> Notre Dame does everything in it's power to see that the student- DD> athlete gets that sheepskin. That's fine and is even commendable but they really don't have that power. It is up to the student. Do you have any information that a student is being denied a degree at any other university because of interference from the athletic program? DD> If a student-athlete must miss practice to study then so be DD> it...would that happen in some of the other so called football DD> powers? Doubt it! The students and universities are doing enough to remain eligible. Notre Dame goes beyond the minimum but their standards are not the highest. So what? DD> Again, Rob, you are so anti-ND that you only see part of the DD> message. And, finally, we come upon the last line of defense. Case closed. Rob --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Orion's Sword | Bush, LA | (504) 867-9701 | V.* (1:3828/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1D00010 Date: 01/08/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 06:35pm \/To: ROB FERRARA (Read 2 times) Subj: Student-Athletes Rob was hit by a Randy Johnson fastball for uttering: RF> conference also but I still think Notre Dame makes more because RF> of their contract with NBC, which they share with no one. I'd have to agree with James about Michigan. They make a lot from attendance, TV, playoffs, etc. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: On the 7th day, God created the Dallas Cowboys (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1D00011 Date: 01/08/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 06:37pm \/To: MARK YODER (Read 2 times) Subj: Student-Athletes Mark accepted an invitation to the Tidy Bowl by saying: MY> Hmmm... I doubt it. Michigan shares everything 10 other ways. ND MY> doesn't. If you're talking *strictly* football, it's pretty close. Michigan makes AT LEAST $1.3 mil more in attendance revenue (Not counting parking, concessions, etc). The Big 10 made AT LEAST $24 mil from the bowls. Michigan does NOT share its licensing revenue and the last thing that I saw list them as EASILY the top revenue maker in college football. Now, that's IF you assume that Michigan shares everything 10 ways. I don't think that football revenue is shared as much as basketball. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Bill James, James Dunlop. Coincidence? (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1D00012 Date: 01/08/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 07:11pm \/To: ROB FERRARA (Read 2 times) Subj: Football Playoff After being aced by Monica Seles, Rob Ferrara said: RF> I'm not. I want the criteria determined before the season RF> starts. I would prefer conference champions only but Some conferences aren't created equal. You'll notice that while I listed 7 conferences, there are actually more in Div-IA. I'd prefer to have the 16 strongest teams and by paring it down to the 7 strongest conferences and taking the best of the rest, I doubt that you'd get anything less than the 14 strongest in the country. RF> kid on an undefeated Penn State team that didn't win the RF> National Championship. Of course, they were an independent RF> then. You don't have to go that far back to find a Penn State team that went undefeated, didn't win the National Championship AND was in a conference. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Bill James, James Dunlop. Coincidence? (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 114 SPORTS Ref: E1D00013 Date: 01/06/97 From: OSCAR VELASCO Time: 04:47pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: NFL PLAYOFFS Hi All!!!! What do you think of the NFL Playoffs this year? I love it because Dallas Cowgirls are not in it. :) Speaking of Dallas, it's been a long since either Dallas or San Francisco not play in the Conference Finals. If would be nice to have the Jacksonville Jaguars and Carolina Panthers, two expansion teams, in the Super Bowl unfortunately this is Green Bay Packers year to win the Super Bowl. I was surprised but not overly surprised when the Jaguars defeated the Broncos. Actually, I even told my friend Jim, who now live in Denver that the Broncos will choke against the Jaguar's awesome defense. He told me that he is looking forward in watching the Broncos plays Pittsburgh in Denver. Sorry Jimbo, I guess you will see them play if there's any consolation prize's game. I was surprised about Pittsburgh losing though. I always thought it will Green Bay against Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl. I knew Dallas will lose against Carolina because the Panthers was 8-0 at home and with all the controversy in Dallas, some players were unhappy playing some guys namely Michael "suddenly I got a big head" Irvin for his off field activity. It's a shame because Irvin is a good player unfortunately his head is so big. I guess he's got lots of time to do his off field activity now. I am just happy that Dallas is out. I hate Dallas ever since Jerry Jones took over the team. Barry Switzer doesn't help either with his cockiness. Anyways, if New England Patriots and Green Bay Packers don't take those two expansion teams lightly, they'll be in the Super Bowl. Hurray for Green Bay Packers and New England Patriots. Hurray for Jacksonville Jaguars for upsetting the best team in the regular season. It goes to tell you that regular season don't mean anything as long as you make the playoffs. TRIPLE HURRAY for the Carolina Panthers for beating the team with the most cocky players, such Irvin, and Deion Sanders. I just feel bad for Troy Aikman for having to play with those idiots. That's my two cents....... GREEN BAY - 1996-97 Super Bowl Champion OZ --- PCBoard 15.2 * Origin: 32 lines 40 Gig BBS, Realtime InterNet SLIP (403)247-7900 (1:134/10)