--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 166 MUSIC Ref: F2K00002 Date: 02/13/98 From: SCOTT TAYLOR Time: 11:22am \/To: CHRIS ARMSTRONG (Read 0 times) Subj: ??Punk?? -=> Quoting Chris Armstrong to Scott Taylor <=- ST> CA> Actually punk and ska are related in a kind of way. But Voodoo ST> glo ST> CA> skull'sare DEFinitely a ska band. ST> KY>Word! ST> Yeah, and the word is "wrong". CA> Will you f#ck off?!?! From what I've seen, all that you are doing is No, I don't think I'll leave yet. CA> arguing with people! What's your problem?! Well, Chris, I haven't got much of a problem other than the same problem you might have if I was to say Pennywise was a Grindcore band. However, you seem to have a problem with people dissenting against points of view that conflict with yours. My point is this, Chris, you mob are entitled to say anything you want about anything for all I care, but I am entitled to also put forward my POV on the same subjects. If you have a problem with that, then feel free not to read my posts. Simple, wouldn't you agree? ... "What I need is a strong drink and a peer group." - Ford Prefect ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: < - Adelaide (08) 8351-7637 (3:800/432) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 166 MUSIC Ref: F2K00003 Date: 02/13/98 From: SCOTT TAYLOR Time: 11:27am \/To: CHUCK ALLEN (Read 0 times) Subj: ??Punk?? -=> Quoting Chuck Allen to Scott Taylor <=- -> CA> I have to agree with you, it is one of the reasons I enjoy Pun -> CA> andit's close relatives so much. -> -> KY>I'm glad others see it that way! -> Ken, don't take this the wrong way because I'm not meaning to be -> insulting here, but you are ignorant as all shite on the roots -> of Punk and what punk was really about. CA> Oh? Believe me, Chuck, if I was intending to be insulting, I'd probably be asked to take a permanent vacation from the echo. :) -> You're also forgetting that there have been some notorious -> racist, sexist, homophobic and fascist Punk bands.... CA> And can you show me any genre of music without its share of CA> racist, sexist, fascist, and homophobic musicians / bands? No, I can't. However, that does nullify Kenneth's view on what Punk stands for, don't you agree? Punk can hardly be against all those things as a genre of music or a scene if such bands exist with the genre/scene. -> Punk was an attitude more than anything, and it sure as hell -> wasn't an ideology.... CA> And the difference between attitude and ideology being? I was thinking more of ideologies being related to political views in regards to this. I think what I've been trying to get at is that Punk is too broad to say it stands for "this" or "that" when all it really stood for in the beginning was about anyone being able to have a go and have a chance to do things on their own terms. CA> Punk is one way musicians have chosen to express themselves. It is CA> not different than any other genre in this respect. I know that, Chuck, but it annoys me when people try to politicise an entire genre in very narrow terms, especially when the genre was originally against that very kind of thing. ... No Animals were harmed writing this tagline. We did that later on.... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: < - Adelaide (08) 8351-7637 (3:800/432) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 166 MUSIC Ref: F2K00004 Date: 02/13/98 From: SCOTT TAYLOR Time: 11:34am \/To: KENNETH YATES (Read 0 times) Subj: ??Punk?? -=> Quoting Kenneth Yates to Chris Armstrong <=- ST> For Christ's sake! Ska is older than Reggae.... KY> Ska evolved from Reggae you dolt, now intended it towards KY> Chris, this is to the other dork. Ska has been around for KY> a long time about as long as the sex pistols but before KY> that it was in the form of reggae and jazz big band types KY> like Squirrel Nut Zippers and Cherry Poppin Daddies. KY> Another good ska band is Royal Crown Review. You're wrong, Kenneth. Reggae evolved from ska. BTW, British style ska, the ska you're talking about, has been around since the 60's. Jamaican ska has been around since the 30s. If you really want, I can probably knock together a timeline of the whole thing. ... I had to quit jogging. It made my beer go flat. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: < - Adelaide (08) 8351-7637 (3:800/432) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 166 MUSIC Ref: F2K00005 Date: 02/13/98 From: SCOTT TAYLOR Time: 11:39am \/To: FATAL ERROR (Read 0 times) Subj: ??Punk?? -=> Quoting Fatal Error to Kenneth Yates <=- KY> ST> For Christ's sake! Ska is older than Reggae.... KY> Ska evolved from Reggae you dolt, now intended it towards Chris, this is KY> to the other dork. Ska has been around for a long time about as long as KY> the sex pistols but before that it was in the form of reggae and jazz ig KY> band types like Squirrel Nut Zippers and Cherry Poppin Daddies. Another KY> good ska band is Royal Crown Review. FE> Wow.. do you ever have your music history messed up. Ska has been FE> around much longer than reggae, and it was around long before the Sex FE> Pistols. It was invented in Jamaica sometime in the 50's if I remember FE> right. (I know it was invented in Jamaica, but I don't know about the FE> date). Try the 30's for its earliest forms, but as it sounds today, yeah the 50's is about right. Oh well, you get that sometimes. ... WARNING: My twit-filter is set on "Stun". ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: < - Adelaide (08) 8351-7637 (3:800/432) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 166 MUSIC Ref: F2K00006 Date: 02/13/98 From: SCOTT TAYLOR Time: 11:50am \/To: CHRIS ARMSTRONG (Read 0 times) Subj: Punks the bomb -=> Quoting Chris Armstrong to Scott Taylor <=- ST> FE> ideas, either. They were admittedly influenced by the Ramones, ST> whic ST> FE> doesn'tmake their sound original either. ST> KY>I don't care. I like them and that is all that matters. ST> Yeah, the Sex Pistols were both the Oasis and Spice Girls of the ST> 70's.... All hype, manufactured, and with wanky art college ST> attitudes.... CA> CA> I'm sorry, but I just had to cut in on this. I would just like to CA> say, that I'm sick of people putting labels on music. Who the f*ck CA> cares who the band sounds like or who likes the band. I'm sick of CA> this sh#t! I say just listen to what you like! If a type of music CA> just sticks in your head, and you just can't get your mind off of it, CA> then listen to it and just ignore what everyone else says. LISTEN TO CA> WHAT YOU LIKE!!!!!!!!!!! Chris, take a prozac. If you want to stop reading my messages, you know what to do. ... Basic airline flying: keep the pointy end forward. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: < - Adelaide (08) 8351-7637 (3:800/432) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 166 MUSIC Ref: F2K00007 Date: 02/13/98 From: SCOTT TAYLOR Time: 11:53am \/To: CHUCK ALLEN (Read 0 times) Subj: Punks the bomb -=> Quoting Chuck Allen to Scott Taylor <=- -> Yeah, the Sex Pistols were both the Oasis and Spice Girls of the -> 70's.... All hype, manufactured, and with wanky art college -> attitudes.... CA> ROTFL! CA> I do think you have hit the nail on the head squarely! Hehehehe.... Not that that's the kind of opinion that'd make either of us popular with a few people, but it's true, the Pistols had pre-packaged music, pre-packaged PR, pre-packaged images and pre-packaged attitudes. When I think about it, Malcolm McLaren was more of a punk than the whole band put together. ... "When you say you hate me, please sound sincere." - The Riffs ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: < - Adelaide (08) 8351-7637 (3:800/432) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 166 MUSIC Ref: F2K00008 Date: 02/13/98 From: SCOTT TAYLOR Time: 11:56am \/To: CHUCK ALLEN (Read 0 times) Subj: Punks the bomb -=> Quoting Chuck Allen to Scott Taylor <=- -> The Pistols, in most ways, represented the worst about punk, -> except for the most important way - they were 4 talentless -> yobbos who made a sh*t load of cash being talentless yobbos. -> You can't get more PUNK than _that_. CA> Uh, if they had stayed dirt poor, would that be more Punk? :) Now that all depends on who you ask. I don't think so, because Punk was always more about making your way on your own terms rather than all this grotty angst-ridden "poverty is credibility" shite that seems to flare up on the scene every now and then. ... Sex is vile and dirty. Do it only to someone you love. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: < - Adelaide (08) 8351-7637 (3:800/432) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 166 MUSIC Ref: F2K00009 Date: 02/13/98 From: SCOTT TAYLOR Time: 12:08pm \/To: JENNIFER OLIVER (Read 0 times) Subj: variety -=> Quoting Jennifer Oliver to Jennifer Sharward <=- JS> Actually, there's quite a few multi-genre listeners in this echo. I find JS> that different music fits different moods. I really like music. :) JO> i havent seen any discussions yet, i agree with differ music for JO> differ moods, the same music for every mood would get on my nerves, NO JO> VARIETY Part of that depends on what styles of music you like. I find ska fits most of my moods, with other styles being stuck in when ska isn't doing it for me. I find ska a broad enough genre to cover most emotions for me, whether it be Natural Rhythm's "Cellar Beat" to mellow out to, or The Selector's "Three Minute Hero" to have a bit of a skank while I'm cleaning my flat, to listening to some ska/punk to get into the mood to go out to the pub, to The Riff's "Don't Talk To Me" when I'm feeling down. Still, I do like variety, I get into Hard-Trance and Tribal techno, Jazz, Blues, Reggae, Dub, Ragga, Classical, Industrial, Grindcore, Noisecore, Skacid, Celtic, Celtic-Rock, Taiko(sp?) drumming and heaps of other stuff.... ... My lawyer got killed, an ambulance backed over him. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: < - Adelaide (08) 8351-7637 (3:800/432) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 166 MUSIC Ref: F2K00010 Date: 02/13/98 From: SCOTT TAYLOR Time: 12:17pm \/To: FATAL ERROR (Read 0 times) Subj: variety -=> Quoting Fatal Error to Jennifer Oliver <=- JO> 80s FE> The only music there is :) Aaaahhhhh, this explains it! Another refugee from the 80's.... :) ... God is a Bullet ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: < - Adelaide (08) 8351-7637 (3:800/432) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 166 MUSIC Ref: F2K00011 Date: 02/11/98 From: SCOTT TAYLOR Time: 03:43pm \/To: KENNETH YATES (Read 0 times) Subj: Ska-voo-vie & Stuff -=> Quoting Kenneth Yates to All <=- KY> Ska rules. I'd like to point that out to everyone. It is the Yeah, it does, but when I see you posting about Smashing Pumpkins being a ska outfit, I wonder if you really know WTF you're talking about.... KY> you meet alot of cool people on the way. I have yet to KY> meet a mean ska fan. And even though i'm sort of new to Hahahahahahaha! Lad, you should really learn the history of music you listen to. Ska has always been a favourite music of a lot of Skinheads, especially before the nationalist/neo-nazi subversion of the movement. One of the biggest influences that lead to the creation of the skinhead subculture was the number of West Indian migrants to the UK in the 50's and 60's and the Rude Boy subculture that followed it. Besides, Rude Boys were closely linked to the Rasta Posses and the Yardies, neither of whom were known for their pacifistic views. Quite the opposite infact. KY> Anyone else wanna add to my rantings about ska, what does KY> it mean to them. To mean i mean to me it means happy, put KY> problems behind you and think about positive things, and KY> moving forward in life and not dwelling on the past. Just KY> like what we need to do with all this hatred going around. Bugger me, and I always thought music was about music.... True, you don't find many *white* racists listening to ska, but then again, it might have something to do with the music's roots. However, I'd think twice before I called it "happy music". You should listen to the old Jamaican ska, or the old 80's UK ska.... Stop trying to politicise a style of music, when the fact of the matter is that the political content of some of the current ska is because certain outfits are a bunch of self-righteous prats. KY> Racism needs to be put behind us, but not forgotten. (Yeah, yeah, yeah.... Sheesh, you sure can type a lot with only one hand free) KY> it is in the past. I better not get any crap saying this KY> doesn't pertain to musicbecause it does. it's what punk KY> and ska stands for. Anti-Hatred all the way. There is no KY> room for hatred anywhere. Ken, mate, you're just falling for the lines fed to you by the posturing self-righteous gits who want to elitise their music by virtue of political blinkering their listeners. It's all well and good that you're into Unity and against a lot of the bad shite that the human race throws in its own face, but don't try and superimpose your values onto styles of music because they are broader than any one person's beliefs could be. Every time you try to more narrowly define what punk or ska are by ideology or belief, you do them injustice because you restrict the genre on criteria that has nothing to do with the style or the sound or the feel of the music.... ... God is a Bullet ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: < - Adelaide (08) 8351-7637 (3:800/432)