--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 165 AIRGUNS Ref: F3U00001 Date: 03/24/98 From: HAMILTON, ROBERT E,, DMD Time: 04:08pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: The Stealth Newsgroups: AIRGUN.LIST Hi Melvin: FWB124 too weak? Out of curiousity, how fast does it do Crosman Premier Lites? Could a new spring/piston seal/moly lube help? Factory parts for a 11-12 ft/lb power level? Maccari "soft spring" kit for factory power? Maccari "hard spring" kit for 12-13 ft/lbs? Robert Hamilton ---------- From: melhatcher@email.msn.com To: Multiple recipients of list AIRGUN.LIST Subject: Re: The Stealth Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 11:16AM >Melvin, I have a stealth, They are everything Tim says they are, and >more.... I really like mine. Accurate, light weight, very decent trigger, >and Made in the USA! Our own US made PCP... Mike Reames > Hello Mike, I am looking for a replacement for my "Feinwerkbau 124." This has been a very good rifle, and has served me well for at least twenty years. It's getting a little weak now, and does not effectively kill squirrel and rabbits as well as my brother in-law's RWS. I don't like wounding animals so, I have just retired it to punch paper. Before I buy another replacement, I would like to review the specs, and would like to know the price range I should expect to pay. Thanks for your reply Melvin -- (Melvin Hatcher) AirPower Information Services BBS * 610-259-2193 http://www.airpower.com FREE copy of 1st Reader! http://www.airpower.com/airpower.html --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Home of AIRGUN*HQ 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 165 AIRGUNS Ref: F3U00002 Date: 03/24/98 From: LARRY DURHAM Time: 01:16pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Qb bulk ext. Message-ID: <3517EFAE.F73FC996@mindspring.com> Newsgroups: AIRGUN.LIST Fletcheror wrote: > Gotta tell you my favorite mod is the MAC-1 bulk fill extension > kit. Fits on without any modification and suddenly the 160 fills up to more > than twice what you get with two powerlets. Just as slick as it comes. > regards > dtf --------------------Right on. I have the first prototype on my gun. ld --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Home of AIRGUN*HQ 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 165 AIRGUNS Ref: F3U00003 Date: 03/24/98 From: DONALD KOHOLIC Time: 02:07pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: bb repeater pistol Message-ID: <3517FC44.BC18F80D@kmh.com> Newsgroups: AIRGUN.LIST I am looking for a bb repeater pistol either spring or pneumatic. I purchased a Crosman Black Venom - FPS 270. Does any one make a bb repeater spring or pneumatic with a higher FPS than 270 - Crosman makes the 1377 but it is a single shot. > >Thanks for any help you may give on the subject. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Home of AIRGUN*HQ 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 165 AIRGUNS Ref: F3U00004 Date: 03/24/98 From: TIM MCMURRAY Time: 02:48pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Universal bulk extension Message-ID: <35180836.4E2ADCE4@concentric.net> Newsgroups: AIRGUN.LIST Organization: Mac-1 Larry Durham wrote: > > Fletcheror wrote: > Gotta tell you my favorite mod is the MAC-1 bulk fill extension > > kit. Fits on without any modification and suddenly the 160 fills up > to more > > than twice what you get with two powerlets. Just as slick as it > comes. > > regards > > dtf > > --------------------Right on. I have the first prototype on my gun. > ld The best thing is that the same tube that fits on a crosman will fit on a QB with the metric threads cause the tube has different threads on each end. Then we have extra couplers and adapter retainers so that if you wanted a universal extension kit with the neccessary hardware to basically adapt to just about anything that has a charging tube from crosman or any of the QB line that could be had for the cost of the additional hardware. So if anybody wants the universal extension kit that would be $40 instead of $30. I just lowered the price also. $60 total gets the adapter and extention tube. Do the copycats fit QB's? I don't think so. Later Tim -- MAC-1 Airgun Distr./McMurray & Son Phone 310-327-3581 FAX 310-327-0238 http://www.mindspring.com/~airguns/ Hours-M,Tu,F,Sa 11:00AM-6:00PM PST 13974 Van Ness Ave. Tim McMurray Gardena, CA 90249 USA mac1@concentric.net --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Home of AIRGUN*HQ 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 165 AIRGUNS Ref: F3U00005 Date: 03/24/98 From: HAMILTON, ROBERT E,, DMD Time: 08:08pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Philosophy of Airarm power/caliber recom20:08:0003/24/98 Newsgroups: AIRGUN.LIST Hi Folks: For a number of weeks (months), many topics have been concerned with airarm caliber recommendations ..... .177, .20, .22, .25? What is best? The recommendations have varied with a common thread of being directly related to airarm power levels, with an apparent general consensus that bigger calibers need higher power levels. Power levels are individual airarm based, so caliber selection recommendations need be for a specific model. Also some airarms have enough power for the biggest caliber but for unknown reasons, are unable to give good levels of accuracy. But generally, I would say that low power airarms need small calibers and high power airarms need large calibers. For example: (1) Beeman Crow Magnum (gas springer): This has the power to put .25 cal pellets out at good velocities, but reports suggest .25 cal is not very very accurate in this airarm and that .20 cal is the top recommendation for long range accuracy. (2) Beeman R1(steel springer): This is a heavy field airarm that is the fastest in .177 and can be had in .25 cal, but the top recommendation for any R1 with Venom, Maccari, or other power tune kit, is .22 cal. A stock R1 is fine in .177, but powered up, the smaller .177 bore reduces efficiency to the extent, .22 cal is the recommendation by the most experienced users (especially airarmsmiths). (3) Beeman R7 (steel springer): This is a light target/sporter of low power (700 fps with light .177 pells is doing good....maybe a 6.5 gr Beeman Laser pellet will do that....my R7 has never come close with heavier pells). About 625 fps is claimed for it in .20 cal, but I would bet it couldn't put out a 14.3 gr .20 cal Cros Prem at anything over 400 fps.......our R7 did Cros Prem Lites about 591 fps but 10.5 gr Cros Prem Heavies at 459 fps. Definitely not a hot ticket for .25 cal. (4) Beeman RX-1 (gas springer): Tom Jue's RX-1 was .177 originally, but only by switching to a .22 cal (carbine) barrel has he been able to achieve superior accuracy (ie. est. 3/8" 5 pell groups at 40 yds). This is an airarm that has greater than R1 power and is recommended in .20 or .22 cal's ..... .177 being to small and .25 being too big. (5) AirArms ProElite (steel springer): While this new breakbarrel airarm is fine in .177 with heavier pells, the top choice (only comes in .177 and .22, though Jim Maccari can put on a .20 barrel for extra $$) is .22 cal. (6) FWB12* (steel springer): This is a classic 12 ft/lb class airarm that puts out .177 Cros Prem Lites at about 810 fps, Heavies at about 650 fps and though it comes in .22 cal (called the FWB127), I don't know how fast a 14.3 grain Cros Premier would go (w/factory stock components)....ld, you have a 127....can you help me on .22 cal velocities in this classic airarm? Correct me, ld, if you disagree....but I would venture to suggest that 12 ft/lb airarms at very good in .177 and at the bottom edge of practicality in .22 cal. I really don't think .22 cal is a practical, recommendable caliber in any airarm rifle of less than 11-12 ft/lbs to the degree that .22 cal would be recommended over .177 caliber (7) PCP airarms at the benefit of the highest obtainable power levels and recoiless accuracy, and at the cost of frequent fillups from a scuba tank or The Pump, are more practical for .25 caliber in the very highest power versions, but also capably handle .177 cal by designing them for lower power output which isn't too bad as it allows more pellets between fillups. Thus, it is hard to make generalizations on caliber selection in these airarms and we are back to making recommendations based upon each model. (8) Match airarms (steel spring/pnuematic/C02): These are all .177. They put out light to medium weight .177 pells between 500 and 650 fps and to to visualize a FWB300 in .22 cal is amusing.....they just lack the power for larger calibers with resulting heavier pellets. This brings up (ying & yang) full circle to our need to know our intended application and then to buy an airarm with specs meeting our need(s). There is no one airarm fitting all applications (ie. a match airarm isn't much of a hunter and a hunter/sporter is handicapped in a 10 meter match when up against match airarms). Possibly an adjustable power PCP or pump up pnuematic would be the "one airarm for all reasons". But alternately (for a lot more bucks), most of us go the multiple airarm route. My personal choice for small game/small varmint hunting is to have three sporters....a low power, a medium (12 ft/lb) and a high power airarm. The low (Beeman R7 in .177) is for indoor informal target and suburb use. The medium (FWB124d) is for out in the country, but around the farm buildings. The high (R1-Watts) is for out in the countryside, away from dwellings, hunting small varmints/game that is wary and so 50 yd distances are the norm. This is with steel spring airarms....which if no quietening device is available....are quieter than gas springers which are quieter than equivalent pnuematics. Quietening seems to work best on pnuematics and possibly C02. Unfortunately devices making airarms more quiet seem to be in a legal grey area....but England airarm enthusiasts have used them with great success and have shown them to be clearly desirable. IMO, PCP and C02 airarms would become much more popular if aftermarket, detachable silencing devices made in England could be freely used here. Until then, steel springers have a large advantage over PCP and related mechanisms. Robert Hamilton --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Home of AIRGUN*HQ 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 165 AIRGUNS Ref: F3U00006 Date: 03/24/98 From: PHIL PASKOS Time: 10:48pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Backwards clocks Message-ID: <199803250314.WAA08787@pear.epix.net> Newsgroups: AIRGUN.LIST > > Phil, I agree, but before I give up, do this.... Take a piece of paper, > draw a rotation on it, then look at the back of the paper! reversed! I > get this from motor rotations, if it's cw facing shaft end, it's ccw facing > lead end..... on some non reversible motors, it's necessary to remove the > shaft/rotor, and reverse it.... Mike What I'm saying is from breech end to > muzzle ona RHT barrel the pellet turns right.... flip the ends, and pellet > rotates left? correct? Mike > Wrong! If we stand facing each other and we both draw a clockwise circle, they will appear to be opposite each other . So that means one of the clocks is going counter-clockwise ? Enough already. I finished my 5 inch telephone dial for the side wheel Leupold. The 50 foot adapter is mounted in the Butler Creek flip up. The Luepold is sittng in a set of Sportsmatch mounts on the repaired Cr-94. The weather man in PA promise's improving weather the next few days.(They're never wrong - are they?) Stay tuned. The repair job on the trigger of the CR-94 consisted mainly in replacing the spring. Not the one under the trigger itself. The new one is stiffer and it is now possible to set the trigger properly. At least I can load a pellet and close the bolt and the gun doesn't go off until I squeeze the trigger. Phil.P. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Home of AIRGUN*HQ 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 165 AIRGUNS Ref: F3U00007 Date: 03/24/98 From: LARRY DURHAM Time: 10:48pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Philosophy of Airarm power/caliber r22:48:0003/24/98 Message-ID: <3518771B.7F9CFEDE@mindspring.com> Newsgroups: AIRGUN.LIST Bob, Most spring rifles shoot harder in .22 cal unless they are tuned down to a certain power due to restrictions. Bullseye competitions are restricted to .177 because the scoring systems are based on a certain size pellet. I can't see .177 being "better" just cause they are faster except for a couple cases: a. Novice shooters can hit easier due to longer "point-blank-range". b. The target killzone in "field target" favors smaller dia, as the pellet must slip thru a hole to reach the killzone. Remember that archers deal with an absurdly difficult trajectory arc just ine by becoming skilled enough to deal with it, and compared to that scenario, the difference in .177 vs .22 in trajectory at similar ranges pale. In fact, the difference in light vs heavy Premier pellets in .177 is about the same as between standard FWB124 and FWB127's with Premiers. Finally, the extra energy is retained even with big arcs, and a .22 Premier will shoot 50% farther than a .177 Premier 7.9 ... you just need to learn your gun better (Ask Andrew). I have an 18ftlb Bowket Tuned BSA Mercury Supersport with a Harper .25 barrel. It shoots 18+gr Rhino pellets accurately at a higher speed than your .177 R7 will shoot a Premier Lite. It cocks easily at R10 levels and recoils like an HW77. Gofigure ld ------------------ Hamilton, Robert E,, Dmdcwest wrote: > (6) FWB12* (steel springer): > This is a classic 12 ft/lb class airarm that puts out .177 Cros Prem > Lites at about 810 fps, Heavies > at about 650 fps and though it comes in .22 cal (called the FWB127), > I don't know how fast a 14.3 > grain Cros Premier would go (w/factory stock components)....ld, you > have a 127....can you help > me on .22 cal velocities in this classic airarm? Correct me, ld, > if you disagree....but I would venture > to suggest that 12 ft/lb airarms at very good in .177 and at the > bottom edge of practicality in .22 cal. > --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Home of AIRGUN*HQ 610-259-2193 (1:273/408)