--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 163 WORD PERFECT Ref: EG300007 Date: 12/03/97 From: DAVID CHESSLER Time: 09:40am \/To: BILL WHITE (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Hp 870c driver wp51d On 29 Nov 97, 12:00am, Bill White wrote to Terry Vernon on the subject of "Re: Hp 870c driver wp51d": TV>> Didn't they give blanket permission to donate the TV>> previous version to schools? > I've never heard of _blanket_ permission - I > thought you still had to get it specifically. In my > case, I deleted all of 5.1 from my system. I _think_ > the disks are around here somewhere if I hunted for > them. Maybe. > Yep, found 'em. On 5.25 disks - and my 5.25 drive > is broken. Never use it, so haven't bothered to fix > it! It was a blanket permission. Even if you had used it as the basis for an upgrade, you could donate all original disks and documentation to a school. They could then register it and use it as the basis for an upgrade, but if they did not register it, they could use it. As for your drive, it's unrepairable. If you ever have to use a 5 1/4, buy one. You can get a new one for under $50, and a used one for maybe $25 or less. You won't get a repairman to touch it for $50. -- ___ __ chessler@mix.cpcug.org d_)--/d chessler@capaccess.org ... E-mail: ->132 1:109/459 david.chessler@mix.cpcug.org * Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 42551 * Silver Xpress V4.4P --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/25 * Origin: (1:109/459) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 163 WORD PERFECT Ref: EG300008 Date: 12/03/97 From: DAVID CHESSLER Time: 09:40am \/To: TERRY VERNON (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Hp 870c driver wp51d On 1 Dec 97, 05:24am, Terry Vernon wrote to Bill White on the subject of "Re: Hp 870c driver wp51d": BW>> Yep, found 'em. On 5.25 disks - and my 5.25 drive BW>> is broken. Never use it, so haven't bothered to fix BW>> it! > I don't think any schools still have 5.25s > Are your disks HD or 360K? The original disks on 5.1 were 360s, because it will run on an 8088 (that's why they keep (or kept) it in production. Most schools seem to have a lot of old stuff around, including 8088s and 286s. (Some of the schools in this state are finally giving away their Apple IIs--and other schools are taking them!) Schools don't have a lot of money, and won't usually discard working equipment. The Apple IIs were probably retired because they are used for instruction, and they can no longer get software, or because they no longer have enough working machines to fill a computer lab. -- ___ __ chessler@mix.cpcug.org d_)--/d chessler@capaccess.org ... E-mail: ->132 1:109/459 david.chessler@mix.cpcug.org * Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 42551 * Silver Xpress V4.4P --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/25 * Origin: (1:109/459) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 163 WORD PERFECT Ref: EG400000 Date: 12/04/97 From: ROLAND STINER Time: 01:03pm \/To: DARRYL GREGORASH (Read 5 times) Subj: WP BBS DG>Also not legal; a licence granted by any means is a licence granted. However >the issue is probably quite moot, as WPCorp no longer exists, and Corel is n >supporting previous versions of WP that I know of. It shows: go to the Corel BBS and see if they're any new patches to WP 6.1 or previous versions. None. --- OLX 1.53 PRIVATE REPLY? E-MAIL ME AT: NK2U@JUNO.COM * Origin: John Rambo's Place (973)731-7359 Now w/USR V.Whatever 1:2605/159) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 163 WORD PERFECT Ref: EG400001 Date: 12/04/97 From: TERRY VERNON Time: 03:23pm \/To: DAVID CHESSLER (Read 3 times) Subj: Hp 870c driver wp51d DC> > I don't think any schools still have 5.25s DC> > Are your disks HD or 360K? DC> The original disks on 5.1 were 360s, because it will run on an DC> 8088 (that's why they keep (or kept) it in production. Most DC> schools seem to have a lot of old stuff around, including 8088s DC> and 286s. (Some of the schools in this state are finally giving DC> away their Apple IIs--and other schools are taking them!) DC> Schools don't have a lot of money, and won't usually discard DC> working equipment. The Apple IIs were probably retired because DC> they are used for instruction, and they can no longer get DC> software, or because they no longer have enough working machines DC> to fill a computer lab. Yep, I remember running WP on a 2-floppy PC! My doubts about school PCs is whether their 5.25s are still working; they got a lot of use! Terry. --- RM 1.31 Eval Day 205 * Origin: MoonDog BBS RIME NetHub Brooklyn,NY (1:278/15) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 163 WORD PERFECT Ref: EGA00000 Date: 12/05/97 From: DARRYL GREGORASH Time: 09:36am \/To: ROLAND STINER (Read 5 times) Subj: WP BBS Replying to a message of Roland Stiner to Darryl Gregorash: DG>> Also not legal; a licence granted by any means is a licence DG>> granted. However >> the issue is probably quite moot, as WPCorp no longer exists, >> and Corel is n supporting previous versions of WP that I >> know of. RS> It shows: go to the Corel BBS and see if they're any new RS> patches to WP 6.1 or previous versions. None. Nor are they required to; they probably bought nothing much more than the copyright/trademark to the name and the rights to the file formats, possibly also the original source to WP 6.x. WP 5.x was, if memory serves, the last product released by WPCorp. Novell probably bought the 6.0 upgrade, but it is doubtful they would have paid much, if anything, for the by then obsolete 5.x versions. --- FleetStreet 1.21 NR * Origin: BIG BANG Burger Bar: Regina SK Canada (1:140/86) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 163 WORD PERFECT Ref: EGB00000 Date: 12/06/97 From: ROLAND STINER Time: 12:21am \/To: DARRYL GREGORASH (Read 5 times) Subj: WP BBS DG>Nor are they required to; they probably bought nothing much more than the >copyright/trademark to the name and the rights to the file formats, possibly >also the original source to WP 6.x. DG>WP 5.x was, if memory serves, the last product released by WPCorp. Novell >probably bought the 6.0 upgrade, but it is doubtful they would have paid muc >if anything, for the by then obsolete 5.x versions. I don't know if everything has to go by what you are "required" to do. There are some things that one ought to do just because it is the right thing to do. --- OLX 1.53 Private Reply? E-Mail Me At: NK2U@JUNO.COM * Origin: John Rambo's Place (973)731-7359 Now w/USR V.Whatever 1:2605/159) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 163 WORD PERFECT Ref: EGB00001 Date: 12/06/97 From: DARRYL GREGORASH Time: 10:50pm \/To: ROLAND STINER (Read 5 times) Subj: WP BBS Replying to a message of Roland Stiner to Darryl Gregorash: DG>> Nor are they required to; they probably bought nothing much DG>> more than the >> copyright/trademark to the name and the rights to the file >> formats, possibly also the original source to WP 6.x. DG>> WP 5.x was, if memory serves, the last product released by DG>> WPCorp. Novell >> probably bought the 6.0 upgrade, but it is doubtful they >> would have paid muc if anything, for the by then obsolete >> 5.x versions. RS> I don't know if everything has to go by what you are RS> "required" to do. There are some things that one ought to RS> do just because it is the right thing to do. Look, let's be realistic. Between them, WPCorp and Novell managed to take the word processor with over 70 per cent of the worldwide installed base, and reduce it virtually to nothing. Corel has paid a great deal of money to say they have faith in it. Corel *could* expend a great deal of time and money learning all of the code for previous versions of WP, and then support those versions. Where would that get them? It would get them support for a bunch of obsolete software packages for which there is less than zero possibility of revenue. I'm sure that would be a very nice PR ploy; we could all be quite happy with patched WP 5.1/DOS, etc, all the while Corel runs down the road to bankruptcy keeping us happy. There is no point in supporting 5.1 or 5.2; they are dead ends. Support for 6.0 is of marginal value, because that was always broken. (Why do you think there are so many faithful 5.x users out there? You should have been in here when 6.0 was first released by WPCorp; it was one long litany of woe and terror.) It makes far more sense for Corel to put all its effort into cleaning up the last public release of WP, then working on a new release, to get back into the marketplace with a product that can go somewhere, a product that is not a dead end, a product that, since it has a future, will gain them revenue to continue the process. The alternative is 2 or 3 more years of obsolete and broken software that hardly anyone wants; that would surely be the road to no WP at all, if not the bankruptcy of Corel. What do you prefer to see? --- FleetStreet 1.21 NR * Origin: BIG BANG Burger Bar: Regina SK Canada (1:140/86) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 163 WORD PERFECT Ref: EGC00000 Date: 12/06/97 From: DAVID CHESSLER Time: 12:48pm \/To: DARRYL GREGORASH (Read 5 times) Subj: Re: WP BBS On 5 Dec 97, 09:36am, Darryl Gregorash wrote to Roland Stiner on the subject of "Re: WP BBS": > WP 5.x was, if memory serves, the last product released by WPCorp. > Novell probably bought the 6.0 upgrade, but it is doubtful they > would have paid much, if anything, for the by then obsolete 5.x > versions. Novell brought out the 5.1+ upgrade. Indeed, I bought it directly from them. 5.1+ was a bug fix to 5.1 and added 6.0's faxing capabilities. Corel undoubtedly bought it. At one time they announced they were going to keep it in production (it doesn't take much to keep something in production), but they probably have since decided that the number of 8088s and 286s that would want a fresh copy is too small to bother with. Too bad. -- ___ __ chessler@mix.cpcug.org d_)--/d chessler@capaccess.org ... E-mail: ->132 1:109/459 david.chessler@mix.cpcug.org * Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 42548 * Silver Xpress V4.4P --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/25 * Origin: (1:109/459) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 163 WORD PERFECT Ref: EGC00001 Date: 12/06/97 From: DAVID CHESSLER Time: 12:48pm \/To: JOHN RANGER (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: ConvertPerfect On 2 Dec 97, 01:08pm, John Ranger wrote to Bruce Wilson on the subject of "Re: ConvertPerfect": BW>> 1. Using conversion drivers (.CVX files) dated earlier than 12-5-94 BW>> may cause unpredictable results. You can update .CVX conversion BW>> drivers by ordering ConvertPerfect 2.0d for DOS; call BW>> 1-800-321-4566. The numbers I have for the WP BBS are as follows wp updates 1-801-225-4414 96/03/2300:58:50 WP BBS new --- 1-801-221-5197 I see that I last contacted the first number in march of 1996, and never used the second. Since then I've used ftp or the web. > Also, please elaborate on the purpose of this program as I am still > trying like hell to GET a copy of WP5.1+ and get nothing but offers > form people for 6. Have you tried calling Corel directly? While corporate headquarters are as follows (according to the WP 8.0 manual), Corel Corporation 1600 Carling Ave Ottawa, Ontario CANADA K1Z 8R7 It appears that WP support is still being done in Utah, and mostly on the same phone numbers. The following is the complete copy of the Help file from WP 8.0. If you call a technical support number they can direct you to sales or to a technical support number for another product. 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Mailing Address If you need to contact Corel in writing about your products, please use the following address: ATTN: CUSTOMER SUPPORT COREL, INC. 567 E. TIMPANOGOS PKWY OREM, UT 84097 Please include your customer personal identification number (PIN) or serial number along with your name, address, and phone number on any correspondence you send. Copyright c Corel Corporation Limited. 1996, 1997. All Rights Reserved. -- ___ __ chessler@mix.cpcug.org d_)--/d chessler@capaccess.org ... E-mail: ->132 1:109/459 david.chessler@mix.cpcug.org * Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 42548 * Silver Xpress V4.4P --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/25 * Origin: (1:109/459) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 163 WORD PERFECT Ref: EGC00002 Date: 12/01/97 From: BRUCE WILSON Time: 07:40am \/To: TERRY VERNON (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Hp 870c driver wp51d On 28 Nov 97 01:39am, Terry Vernon wrote to Bruce Wilson: TV> Didn't they give blanket permission to donate the TV> previous version to schools? Now that you mention it, I vaguely recall there was a program of that nature, but Bill didn't say that was what he'd done with it. :-) --- Via Silver Xpress V4.4P [Reg] --- QM v1.30 * Origin: FOG-Line - Ankeny Iowa - 515-964-7937 (1:290/627.0)