--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5I00096 Date: 05/13/98 From: ED CONNELL Time: 05:48pm \/To: ROSS SAUER (Read 0 times) Subj: Nixon -=> Quoting Ross Sauer to Centurion <=- RS-> PC> money? --- RS-> RT> RS-> RT> Of course not. Nixon didn't like dropping his pants and getting RS-> RT> blowjobs from other women, those not his wife. RS> RS->No he just f***** up the bum the whole damm country on Vietnam, oil, RS->campaign money, etc. CD> CD> Ross,Ross,Ross that was Johnson, McNamara and the liberals. RS> Perhaps they did, but it was Nixon who did it so blatantly and riminally RS> that it took almost 10 years for our asses to heal. Ce> Ce> Lots of smoke and noise, Ross, but no facts. Let's see some, OK? RS> RS> If you missed all of it in the media, that's your problem. RS> I'm not going to go digging for a lot of stuff that was gone over RS> numerous times just to satisfy some Nixon buttboy's ignorance. Hahahahahahahaha. Pathetic. Ed ... Gephardt: "He's too partisan." --- * Origin: * The Ratz Nest BBS * Texas * (817) 447-1619 * (1:130/911) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5I00097 Date: 05/13/98 From: GARY BRASWELL Time: 08:51am \/To: ALLEN BIRKHOLZ (Read 0 times) Subj: Watergate AB> -=> Gary Braswell spoke unto Ruth Schaffer <=- AB> -=> Upon the subject Clinton Lovers <=- AB> RS>> There was EVIDENCE in that case... HARD solid evidence... none in AB> RS>> this case at all... just supposition and allegations... AB> GB> Exactly what hard, solid evidence was there of Nixon? AB>When I look back on Watergate, it seems AB>fairly clear that Mr. Nixon had nothing AB>to do with the original activities break ins> conducted by members of his AB>staff and his campaign. It really seems If you look back at what was known then you are correct. However with the recent release of more Nixon tapes, it seems he may have known about it ahead of time and possibly gave it his blessing if not being the architect of it himself. AB>like the original break ins weren't even AB>politically motivated. The problem that You got me on this one. AB>did Mr. Nixon in was that, once he found AB>out about the activities of his staff and AB>others, he tried to use all his powers as AB>the president to cover up their actions AB>and to hide the facts. It would have AB>been embarrassing to him and his admin- AB>istration. True. AB>We're watching the same thing now, except AB>that Mr. Clinton himself seems to have AB>been involved from the outset. There is AB>a difference in that the original activity AB>was not illegal it may have been>, but Mr. Clinton still AB>seems to be intent upon using the full AB>power of the presidency to keep the facts AB>of the case covered up. Agreed. AB>Miss Schaffer is certainly entitled to her AB>opinion, but I believe she is acting like AB>the monkees who see no evil and hear no AB>evil because she has closed her eyes and AB>covered her ears. She doesn't want to AB>know, and so she denies the evidence in AB>front of her. You are probably right. --- OLXWin 1.00a An amplifier for people who suffer in silence. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: Knowledge & Truth *The Roundtable* 804-359-6302 (1:264/416.0) AB> -=> Gary Braswell spoke unto Ed Hulett <=- AB> EH>> My sister keeps telling me that we make no difference, AB> EH>> that it is futile to even vote sometimes. AB> GB> Sometimes I agree with her. AB> GB> However there are other times...take the recent Richmond City Council AB> GB> elections done here 5/5. My district's winner won by 10 votes. nother AB> GB> one by 8. Several others were less than 100. AB>Sometimes it seems like your single vote AB>doesn't matter, but every vote counts. AB>Just consider how you would feel if you AB>didn't take the opportunity to vote and AB>then found that the position you supported AB>or the candidate you wanted had lost by AB>only a vote or 2. AB>Voting is a right and a priviledge. AB>USE IT! I usually always do, even if I don't like the choices, but its hard to vote for people you don't like. --- OLXWin 1.00a An amplifier for people who suffer in silence. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: Knowledge & Truth *The Roundtable* 804-359-6302 (1:264/416.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5I00098 Date: 05/13/98 From: GARY BRASWELL Time: 08:54am \/To: ALLEN BIRKHOLZ (Read 0 times) Subj: Vote! It matters. AB> -=> Gary Braswell spoke unto Ed Hulett <=- AB> EH>> My sister keeps telling me that we make no difference, AB> EH>> that it is futile to even vote sometimes. AB> GB> Sometimes I agree with her. AB> GB> However there are other times...take the recent Richmond City Council AB> GB> elections done here 5/5. My district's winner won by 10 votes. nother AB> GB> one by 8. Several others were less than 100. AB>Sometimes it seems like your single vote AB>doesn't matter, but every vote counts. AB>Just consider how you would feel if you AB>didn't take the opportunity to vote and AB>then found that the position you supported AB>or the candidate you wanted had lost by AB>only a vote or 2. AB>Voting is a right and a priviledge. AB>USE IT! I usually always do, even if I don't like the choices, but its hard to vote for people you don't like. --- OLXWin 1.00a An amplifier for people who suffer in silence. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: Knowledge & Truth *The Roundtable* 804-359-6302 (1:264/416.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5I00099 Date: 05/13/98 From: GARY BRASWELL Time: 08:55am \/To: ALLEN BIRKHOLZ (Read 0 times) Subj: MS-America AB> -=> Gary Braswell spoke unto Stan Hardegree <=- AB> -=> Upon the subject MS-America <=- AB> SH>> Microsoft Addresses Justice Department Accusations AB> SH>> REDMOND, Wash. -- Oct. 21, 1997 -- In direct response to AB> SH>> accusations made by the Department of Justice, Microsoft AB> SH>> Corporation announced today it will be acquiring the Federal AB> SH>> Government of the United States of America for an undisclosed AB> SH>> sum. AB> GB> eheheheheheheheheh AB>I didn't realize that the government of China AB>was ready to sell their shares. :-) They may not have had a choice. MS might want them for cheap labor. --- OLXWin 1.00a An amplifier for people who suffer in silence. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: Knowledge & Truth *The Roundtable* 804-359-6302 (1:264/416.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5I00100 Date: 05/13/98 From: GARY BRASWELL Time: 08:56am \/To: SAMUEL LEE (Read 0 times) Subj: Fat criminals SL> SL> the taping is done to prohibit the use of inmate phone priveledges SL> SL> for criminal activity...The coversations are NOT a matter of SL> SL> public record...they are PRIVATE and INTIMATE... SL> GB> I realize he was not holding a press conference, but he had to SL> GB> know, as did his wife, they were being taped. SL>No Doubt, Lately such calls are preceeded by a pre-recorded monolouge SL>that explains this in detail...It is SOP for every call made by a SL>federal or state inmate in a DOC institution...How many of those calls SL>do you suppose are monitored for possible political content of interest to the SL>republican party...??? Not many I would imagine. Since Hubble was being investigated still it would be no stretch that it would end up in the hands of those doing the investigating. SL> SL>ONLY way they could be USED was by making them public... SL> GB> Its certainly put Ken Starr on the trail again. SL>Oh good the special prosecutor has been revitalised by an appropriate leak of SL>deliberately distorted and out of context information... Well, all the tapes are available now and have not changed what Hubble said. SL>The white house may not be happy with a certain embarassments wife... SL>(you would expect them to get enthused???) SL>And if they invited her to dinner and said "we just want you to know SL>it's not personal and we still love you" Starr would be screaming SL>collusion... SL>It's just more hype to keep the President's reputation (which is SL>rapidly gaining ground) in question... Our President is infamous. SL> GB> I am not so sure. When I worked for the Dept. of Corrections here SL> GB> in VA, there was only one privacy in that way- with your attorney. SL>So who was peeking through the keyhole at the conjugal visits...? At that time, I don't believe conjugal visits were allowed. --- OLXWin 1.00a An amplifier for people who suffer in silence. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: Knowledge & Truth *The Roundtable* 804-359-6302 (1:264/416.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5I00101 Date: 05/13/98 From: GARY BRASWELL Time: 09:01am \/To: FRANK MASINGILL (Read 0 times) Subj: Guns? FM> GB> Frankly what those "other" civilized countries do in comparison to us FM> GB> does not much concern me in this area. These same nations have produced FM> GB> such wonderful people as Hitler, Napoleon, Mussolini, Tojo. We have yet FM> GB> to produce people of such civilized caliber here. FM> So did we, Gary, and we had them in profusion in the 1930s where they were FM>"waiting in the wings" to see if the FDR policy of trying to take measures FM>within constitutional bounds in the Great Depression would preserve gainst FM>revolt. People like Gerald L.K. Smith are no longer household names but they FM>were then and it was none other than Huey Pierce Long who hired Smith to carry FM>out fascist tactics on his behalf. Thankfully, our nation withstood them and FM>lived to depose those you named. The difference is, ours never made it. The other nation's did. FM> However, it was our deep and rank isolationist stance (failure to stop FM>Japanese aggression against Manchuria) that permitted the dictators to ain FM>the force that they did. Napoleon was of a different era and more a military FM>leader of the first great nation-state in Europe with a citizen-army, not FM>totalitarian ideologue in possession of "THE truth of existence." Still, these so called civilized societies created monsters. --- OLXWin 1.00a An amplifier for people who suffer in silence. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: Knowledge & Truth *The Roundtable* 804-359-6302 (1:264/416.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5I00102 Date: 05/13/98 From: GARY BRASWELL Time: 09:02am \/To: BOBBY ARCHER (Read 0 times) Subj: Guns? BA>FM>> Would you care if EVERYBODY, without discrimination, could purchase a BA>FM>>"little" atomic bomb? Frankly, I happen to be at the age now BA>FM>>where I wouldn't BA> GB> Of course, but atomic bombs are not guns. I don't see BA> GB> "gun-huggers" buying artillery, bombers, fighters, mines or even BA> GB> fighting for the right to. Such comparisons are mere hyperbole. BA> I saw a guy on Discovery that owned three MiGs. And the cannons on them were removed by customs. When China started selling Migs for 10 grand a kit, no one knew they included the cannons in them. The people who buy these in the US were not in it for the cannons, but the vintage aircraft. Lord knows I would love to get a vintage P-51 Mustang. The .50 cals would not be an issue for me. --- OLXWin 1.00a An amplifier for people who suffer in silence. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: Knowledge & Truth *The Roundtable* 804-359-6302 (1:264/416.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5I00103 Date: 05/13/98 From: GARY BRASWELL Time: 09:10am \/To: BOBBY ARCHER (Read 0 times) Subj: Clinton Lovers BA>BA>>Village Voice BA>BA>>February 3, 1998 BA>BA>>The President Who Makes War Against the Constitution Impeach BA>BA>>Clinton--but not for lust BA>BA>>by Nat Hentoff BA>BA>> Clinton's raids on the Constitution include his support of BA>BA>>warrantless police searches of public-housing apartments and his BA> GB> At least here in Richmond, people who live in those projects have BA> GB> been wanting this for years to prune out dealers who plague the BA> GB> apartments. BA> That isn't how it works. BA> If five people live in a building and three decide to allow BA> warrantless searches, what of the rights of the other two? A difficult question. BA> GB> I would guess in a strict interpretation of the amendment it BA> GB> could not be done, but since they don't own the property is it BA> GB> still the case? BA> I would certainly hope so. Just because you rent doesn't mean your BA> apartment could be used to quarter troops. No, but the landlord does have the keys and can avail himself of your apartment in some localities. --- OLXWin 1.00a An amplifier for people who suffer in silence. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: Knowledge & Truth *The Roundtable* 804-359-6302 (1:264/416.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5I00104 Date: 05/13/98 From: GARY BRASWELL Time: 09:12am \/To: BOBBY ARCHER (Read 0 times) Subj: Clinton Lovers BA>RS>>I read it.. ANY law can be passed... if it does not meet BA>RS>>constitutional scrutiny and is challenged it can be struck down... BA>RS>>Not Clintons job to keep track of what is and is not consitutional BA>RS>>in legislation... it is the job of the courts... nice try with a BA>RS>>piece of Rhetoric... but does not impress with factual evidence... BA> GB> So essentially what you are saying here is that if a President BA> GB> backed legislation to not only ban abortion, but tie women down BA> GB> to force them to come to term would not be that President's BA> GB> problem and he could not be held accountable for it? BA> Now now Gary....that's not fair :) I note she did not answer it. --- OLXWin 1.00a An amplifier for people who suffer in silence. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: Knowledge & Truth *The Roundtable* 804-359-6302 (1:264/416.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5I00105 Date: 05/13/98 From: GARY BRASWELL Time: 09:13am \/To: STAN HARDEGREE (Read 0 times) Subj: Clinton Lovers SH>FM>> RS> Why should she serve ten more years for something she SH>FM>> has already served RS> sentence for??? SH>FM>> SH> I make a motion that this be entered in "Braindead Post SH>FM>> of the Year" SH> contest. SH>FM>> SH> Can I get a second? SH>FM>> Why ask? You've already got five or six of which you can SH>FM>> be certain. Not SH>FM>>mine, though. She's looking at the Susan McDougall case SH>FM>>seriously. So am I. Also, I'm CONVINCED that political SH>FM>>discussion is not advanced by attempting to stop another's SH> GB> I agree with you, Frank. SH> GB> I was waiting to see if someone would answer her question SH> GB> seriously. SH>Her question is self-evidently stupid and merits no serious response. If this SH>were an 8th grade civics class, perhaps a lessson would be in order, but I am SH>not in the habit of providing 5th Amendment lectures to adults who willingly SH>participate in an echo called "Politics." A good point. But you did give her a lesson in schoolyard games. --- OLXWin 1.00a An amplifier for people who suffer in silence. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: Knowledge & Truth *The Roundtable* 804-359-6302 (1:264/416.0)