--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5H00024 Date: 05/11/98 From: CENTURION Time: 07:04am \/To: RONNIE THOMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Clinton Haters On May 10 14:25, 1998, Ronnie Thompson of 1:3634/12.117 wrote: SH>> And then we hear the tapes...... RS>> Yeah, the edited ones from Dan (scumbag) Burton. Ce>> Ce>> Slow news day? Burton released 54 tapes, INTACT. RS>> AFTER Henry Waxman and many others raised holy hell about the RS>> edited version. C> Ross, he fired the guy who edited the tapes. What more do you C> want, blood in the village square? RT> The fella (Bossie??) was on C-Span today. He said that while (looking back RT> on it) it wasn't done exactly the way that looked good, it was done RT> correctly. His claim was that EVERY news organization had full access to RT> all the tapes. He put out excerpts of the tapes, ALONG WITH A DISCLAIMER RT> that the news organizations should listen to the ENTIRE tapes. If that were RT> the case, it blows any "editing" claims, out of the water. When you put RT> out excerpts, very similar to what happens in posts on the echo, you don't RT> put out the entire transcript. Politicians have been doing it for ages, RT> only we call them "sound bites" when it's on tv. What I really find RT> interesting.....a few sentences (out of 150 HOURS) are left out and all the RT> Dems want to do is look the other way at what is actually on the tapes, and RT> hang the fella for leaving a few sentences out. This has become standard RT> fare, for the Democrats. They seem to want to do ANYTHING to keep people RT> from really looking at the evidence. I can understand why! What's even more interesting is that Burton said that the content of the part excluded was repeated on a different tape, and that was IN the transcripts for that tape. So, none of the info was removed at all. As you say, its all the standard smoke and mirror, dog and pony show BS from the Democrats. Centurion --- MsgedSQ 3.30 * Origin: We are the Watchmen of our own Liberty! (1:170/302.99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5H00025 Date: 05/11/98 From: CENTURION Time: 07:07am \/To: RONNIE THOMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Fat criminals On May 10 14:29, 1998, Ronnie Thompson of 1:3634/12.117 wrote: GB>> Then why say the things he did? C> Its the sort of thing that you would tend to forget, since it C> is so commonplace. Especially when talking to someone you're C> emotionally involved with, like a wife, you get caught up in C> what they're saying, and don't always remember that tape C> machine is going in the back room. RT> Perhaps he had another motive. What if.....Webb figured that, one day, his RT> taped conversations would be made public? It could be his way of letting RT> "Clinton and Co." know that HE KNOWS A LOT MORE THAN HE HAS SAID SO FAR and RT> in his own way, telling them that the $$$ had BETTER keep coming, else he RT> might be a touch inclined to not keep his mouth shut so tightly, as he has RT> so far. After all, we are talking about the man who used to be the #3 man, RT> in the Justice Dept, not some moron from Wisconsin. I've thought of that too. If true, then old Web has more balls than people give him credit for. He had better make sure that he has that "smoking gun" in a safe place and that if anything happens to him, accidently of course, it will come to light in short order. If what you speculate is true, and he doesn't have himself covered, I wonder how soon it will be before we hear of a tragic accident where he slips on wet stairs and breaks his neck or something. Centurion --- MsgedSQ 3.30 * Origin: We are the Watchmen of our own Liberty! (1:170/302.99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5H00026 Date: 05/11/98 From: CENTURION Time: 07:12am \/To: RONNIE THOMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Paula On May 10 14:45, 1998, Ronnie Thompson of 1:3634/12.117 wrote: C> Do yourself a favor and get a second pair that is tuned to C> about 12" for best focus. When I had to get bifocals, I found C> out real quick that working on computers with bifocals don't C> cut it. It's a real, honest to god pain in the ass trying to C> read masking on a board with them. The second pair will let C> you work at normal distances without eye strain or C> frustration. Also good for when you're sitting in front of C> the screen for long periods like I do. RT> If you are sitting 12" from the computer screen, that is probably what is RT> causing you eye problems(G). I'm about 2 feet from mine....any closer and RT> everything is too close...like sitting on the front row in a theater, if RT> you know what I mean :) You're right. It's actually about 18". There's a window of focus that runs from about 12 to about 20 inches, with about 18 being the sharpest. It varies somewhat depending on how tired I am. Centurion --- MsgedSQ 3.30 * Origin: We are the Watchmen of our own Liberty! (1:170/302.99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5H00027 Date: 05/11/98 From: CENTURION Time: 07:16am \/To: RONNIE THOMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Clinton Lovers On May 10 14:52, 1998, Ronnie Thompson of 1:3634/12.117 wrote: >> RS> That would be very easy to do... there is lot's of dirt under Newts >> RS> fingernails... >> I've always been under the impression that you really didn't >> like Gingrich all that much. Dirt under the fingernails IS >> symbolic of a honorable working man. RS> Not in his case... it is forensic evidence... RT> Ok, Ruth. You make so many asinine statements, it's time for you to back RT> up one of them. Please do provide us with some proof of your claim. Surely you jest, Ronnie. She has had nothing but (B)arbara (S)treisand to say since she got here. Centurion --- MsgedSQ 3.30 * Origin: We are the Watchmen of our own Liberty! (1:170/302.99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5H00028 Date: 05/11/98 From: CENTURION Time: 08:49pm \/To: ED HULETT (Read 0 times) Subj: Paula On May 10 12:31, 1998, Ed Hulett of 1:170/302.98 wrote: C> It's a real, honest to god pain in the ass trying to C> read masking on a board with them. The second pair will let C> you work at normal distances without eye strain or C> frustration. Also good for when you're sitting in front of C> the screen for long periods like I do. EH> I will have to do just that, thanks for the advice. Hey, glad to be able to help another tech. After all, without us, the computer world would go to hell in a hand basket in short order. One other thing, find the biggest hand held magnifying glass you can get your hands on. You'll be glad you did. Centurion --- MsgedSQ 3.30 * Origin: We are the Watchmen of our own Liberty! (1:170/302.99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5H00029 Date: 05/11/98 From: JOHN FITZGERALD Time: 10:22am \/To: RUTH SCHAFFER (Read 0 times) Subj: Clinton Butt Kissers EC> Is it your contention that no one has committed a crime or do you condone wrongdoing? RS> What I am saying it the furthering of this investigation is nonsense and going nowhere... it needs to be stopped.. JF> This is completely wrong. Clinton, aside from being almost without any principles, needs to be investigated even more. RS> NO!!! This is a WITCH HUNT and needs to be stopped... JF> No its not. Witches were tried with no evidence. With Clinton there is evidence all over the place. RS> There is NO concrete evidence of ANYTHING... Sorry Ruth, you can repeat your little chant over and over, and obviously you have yourself spellbound, but the fact remains, Clinton is up to his neck in trouble. Not much you can do about that, except maybe continue your little chant. RS> it is a witch hunt in he truest sense of the word... and it's going nowhere... Now you can blow out the candles. Bye, Ruth. DoNeByHaNd: No Version necessary. * They couldn't pin nothing on Al Capone either, except in the end. * --- Platinum Xpress/386/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: MADDOG! BBS : (510) 895-8089 : San Leandro, Ca. (1:215/13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5H00030 Date: 05/12/98 From: ED CONNELL Time: 06:15pm \/To: DAN BOSCH (Read 0 times) Subj: David Brock Apologizes -=> Quoting DAN BOSCH to STAN HARDEGREE <=- -> DB> that she did NOT have a sexual relationship with Clinton. -> DB> However, it seems you prefer a story told to your -> DB> backstabbing hero Linda Tripp. ^^^^ -> Is it just me, or does anyone else regard this as the most overused -> (and most often wrongly used) word in the Politics echo. DB> Actually I agree with you. (Imagine that!) As I heard it, Bob Bennett's calling Linda Tripp a liar is what triggered her taping the various conversations. It was an attempt to show that she sure 'nuff was not lying. Ed ... It's like Swan Lake, only deeper... --- * Origin: * The Ratz Nest BBS * Texas * (817) 447-1619 * (1:130/911) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5H00031 Date: 05/12/98 From: BOBBY ARCHER Time: 08:19am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Starr a traitor ''I don't think they will ever dare impeach him. I have a funny feeling Mr. (Kenneth) Starr may be headed for prison. He's broken too many of the laws of the land. And violated too many of the Bill of Rights. And I've even thought of a possibility, might he not be - this is a hypothetical question - charged with treason? A man is elected president by 'we the people' . . . and this man (Starr) goes after him to keep him from trying to do his job. That is overthrowing the people's will as expressed in two elections. Gore Vidal Here is a shining example of the Clintonite double standard. Nixon was the people's choice in two elections as well. --- * Origin: VRWC ()agitprop "Sic Sinister Innosens" (1:170/302.97) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5H00032 Date: 05/12/98 From: BOBBY ARCHER Time: 09:19am \/To: ROSS SAUER (Read 0 times) Subj: One of my sources RS> A few people here have been wondering where I get a lot of the RS> info I post here. Well, one of them is: www.salonmagazine.com In RS> the most recent issue in the "news" section is a interview with RS> Arianna Huffington, and how she rakes over the coals not just the RS> Clintons, but Newt, Starr and other republicans. RS> There are also articles documenting how Starr has been selective RS> in his prosecutions, and the at best questionable tactics he and RS> his staff are using. RS> But...... RS> I have no doubt that the ERW set here will decide to call Salon RS> magazine "a bunch of Clinton buttboys" or other bullshit like RS> that. What I will say is that Salon is no different from Scaife and the other factions of the VRWC that you so deride. Which makes you a hypocrite: (the last paragraph explains DOJ's interest in Microsoft) ------ Landmark Legal Foundation yesterday accused the Internet magazine Salon of failing to reveal the extent to which millionaires who bankroll it are linked to President Clinton and the Democratic National Committee. Salon has aggressively promoted the idea of a "vast right-wing conspiracy" as expounded by first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton and presidential aide idney Blumenthal, who is friends with many of the magazine's writers. In particular, it has sought to discredit David Hale, a key witness against Mr. Clinton in the Whitewater affair, accusing Mr. Hale of being paid off by the American Spectator and philanthropist Richard Mellon Scaife. The magazine is funded by some of the largest contributors to Mr. linton and the Democratic Party, including principal investor Hambrecht & Quist, whose former chairman, William Hambrecht, and his wife and daughter gave more than $384,000 to Democratic candidates and organizations from 1991 to 1997. In February, Mr. Hambrecht hosted a major fund-raiser for Democratic House candidates at his San Francisco home with President Clinton, Landmark said. Adobe Systems is another principal investor in Salon. From 1990 to 1997, Adobe's chairman and president, Charles Geschke, and his wife contributed ore than $95,000 to Democrat candidates and organizations exclusively. From 1991 to 1997, Adobe's chief executive officer, John Warnock, and his wife contributed more than $36,000 to Democrat candidates and organizations exclusively. Apple Computers Inc. is the second major computer company backing Salon, Landmark said. From 1996 to 1997 alone, Steve Jobs, Apple's chief, contributed more than $167,000 to the DNC. During a recent fund-raising weekend golf outing, Mr. and Mrs. Clinton stayed at Mr. Jobs' home in Woodside, Calif. ------ --- * Origin: VRWC ()agitprop "Sic Sinister Innosens" (1:170/302.97) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 112 POLITICS Ref: F5H00033 Date: 05/12/98 From: BOBBY ARCHER Time: 08:53am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Investigations and coverups http://info.wsj.com The Wall Street Journal May 12, 1998 Review & Outlook Democrats and Coverups Even as the Clinton Presidency's seventh independent counsel was summoned forth yesterday, the Democrats were putting out a lot of energy to shovel coal at the little flame beneath the Dan Burton teapot. We keep wondering if everyone in the Democratic Party thinks this tempest is a good idea. The individuals one sees as party spokesmen seem to think so. Take the chairman of the Democratic National Committee itself, Colorado Governor Roy Romer. Governor Romer announced Sunday that the GOP has become "the party of investigations." That may be because the Democrats have been working so hard to become the party of coverups. Now, we don't doubt that it's possible to wave all this away as partisan tit for tat. Problem is, serious Democrats know that this scandal is about a lot more than tat. But as of this weekend, House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt and veteran in-fighter Rep. Henry Waxman had decided it was somehow in their interest to demonize Dan Burton and Dave Bossie of the Burton staff, to threaten a quixotic vote to oust Mr. Burton from his committee chairmanship and to vote again tomorrow to block immunity for four campaign-finance witnesses. (The four witnesses are associates of key figures in the fund-raising story--Johnny Chung, Ted Sioeng and Nora and Gene Lum.) Incidentally, it was reported yesterday that prior to the release of the one-hour outtake of current notoriety, at least a dozen reporters spent time in the Burton committee's offices, taking notes on the entire 150 hours of Hubbell jail house tapes. Our own reading of this incident is that the transcript prepared by Dave Bossie pulled out the same quotes that a knowledgeable reporter would have fixed on, that if the entire 150 hours were reviewed by any experienced prosecutor, the so-called "exculpatory" passages would be of de minimis significance to the issue of whether Mr. and Mrs. Hubbell were expecting a pardon if the former Associate Attorney General would "roll over again." It's hard to see how anyone could be shocked by any of this. But this is the age of cable TV political talk shows, where guests are expected to feign shock at virtually everything. John Dingell, the House Democrats' master hang-'em-high committee chairman, used to arrange to have full, detailed news stories appear the same morning his victims were scheduled to testify. Senator Joe Biden stretched Ed Meese on the rack with such exquisite attention to thresholds of pain that Mr. Meese's wife sat nearby sobbing. Back then, the weekend commentators would run forward to kick the victims as they lay on the ground, rather than raise questions about the sanity of Messrs. Dingell or Biden. But this is a local Beltway sport with its own arcane code of permissible brutality, not unlike Australian rules football. What concerns us (well, maybe "concern" isn't quite the right word) is that the Democrats may confuse the local cheers they're hearing for getting Dave Bossie disqualified with the larger reality of having to face the nation's voters in this fall's elections. In so enthusiastically aligning themselves with the scandal strategists at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, the Democratic Party is skirting very close to becoming seen as institutionally complicit in whatever was being run out of the Clinton White House during the 1996 elections. Up to now there has never been a basis in fact for any such association. But as time passes, and as the details of these scandals accrete, and as a Henry Waxman tries to explain away preventing witness testimony as somehow Dan Burton's fault, the distinction blurs. How can it help that Attorney General Reno still passes her days judging whether this or that member of the Clinton Cabinet merits one more independent counsel, even as she insists that the 8,000-pound campaign-finance gorilla is no big deal? It is worth noting, additionally, that while the Burton bonfire attracted the mobs, the week in fact began with news reports that District Judge Norma Holloway Johnson, a Democratic appointee, had ruled against President Clinton's executive privilege claims for his aides. Indeed, the Clinton team's record inside federal courtrooms has been mixed at best, nowhere near matching its vaunted skills at political public relations. Even if the House Speaker decides to move jurisdiction for some of the Burton investigation to another committee, the substance--even the ultimate truth--of the underlying charges isn't going to change. Whether in Congress, in the press, with the Independent Counsel, or with the judgments of the federal judiciary, the drama of the Clinton Presidency is moving inexorably toward its denouement. Much of the legal maneuvering and politicking now taking place in Washington around these scandals is intended to make certain that any such denouement unfolds after the fall's Congressional and state elections. But if the dam bursts before November, the electorate may reasonably ask why not a single member of the Democratic Party had the sense or courage to give them a warning. Copyright c 1998 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. --- * Origin: VRWC ()agitprop "Sic Sinister Innosens" (1:170/302.97)