--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F5G00253 Date: 04/13/98 From: REV_NULL Time: 06:08pm \/To: RICHARD MEIC (Read 0 times) Subj: !!! Hello Richard. 11 Apr 98 18:13, Richard Meic wrote to Rev_Null: R>> Well, Dick, I wasn't really trying to prove anything. You seem to R>> be implying that the purpose of my message was to deceive people R>> into thinking that I've been paying attention and that I really R>> haven't been. Are you indeed making this claim RM> As I see it there is a 50/50 chance that either you are paying RM> attention to the echo or that you are not. I am pointing out the just RM> as equal possibility that you are not. I also base this on the RM> messages I sent you over a month ago on this echo (that seem to be the RM> only ones that "must have got lost", as you so quaintly put it). I have never suggested that messages you posted in this echo had gotten lost. I did, however, suggest that the routed netmail you supposedly sent me a while back got lost. Please be careful in paraphrasing me, I don't care for having my words taken out of context. I may not have been paying attention when you posted those particular messages, but I have seen other messages from you, complaining about my moderation style. My typical response is to chuckle and move on to the next message. A proof of this claim is omitted. R>> Oh, by the way, if I had known the date of the echolist R>> expiration, I would have sent in an update before the warning R>> message was posted. RM> There is no guarantee of the accuracy of this "hypothesis". You and I RM> both know how the echolist works, Scott and it has been exactly 6 RM> month since the last time you came on (let me see,... was the topic RM> about the "echo expiration", perhaps?). Every six months you come RM> back, update the echolist before you lose the echo, and mention RM> publicly that you did so,... no one here sees you here at any other RM> time. The above paragraph is hilarious. You seem to have selective memory as well as a belligerent attitude. R>> A proof of this claim is omitted RM> Meaning? Meaning I foresaw a paragraph similar to your previous one. I have some information which will punch a hole in some of the statements you are making and may make you embarassed about it. I was thinking of giving you this information, but I think it will be more amusing to watch you continue to follow the path that you're currently on. Rev_Null --- GoldED 2.50+ * Origin: The Void (1:206/2717) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F5G00254 Date: 04/14/98 From: FRANK MASINGILL Time: 04:14pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Reflections on modernity The other morning, in need of a few groceries, I went alone very early while the wife slept to a nearby Supermarket to make a few purchases. While making my way around the aisles selecting an article here and there a strong impulse came over me of awe in the midst of such a representative structure f the delicate balance of commerce and technology that placed me there at the end of the human food chain for those of us "fortunate" (?) enough to have he means of restocking the pantry (refrigerator and freezer in many instances). I thought: How quickly it could all end as though in a flash of lightening. A sudden diminution in the availability of fuel, a breakdown (now capable of having earth-wide proportions) in labor relations, even an unexpected shift in the distance of the earth from the sun or other phenomena could have throngs of people suddenly undergoing suffering and death. How quickly and efficiently could such agencies as the Red Cross and governmental bodies mobilize for uch an event and how effective could they be if the force for breakdown proved to be long enough and destructive enough? Suppose the forces favoring organization of the apparatus became so crippled that a civilized society could only degenerate into mass death of the kind that we've seen occuring in some of the "third world" countries due to political antagonisms. In a world so dependent upon fuel and technology it is not difficult to imagine, I think, a breakdown of enormous proportions that would strain the collective intelligence of that technology to maintain equilibrium. rtifacts might not be so local and so rapidly buried under accumulative debris and ife might more quickly approach the "primative" than has been imagined. More later. Sincerely, Frank --- PPoint 2.05 * Origin: Maybe in 5,000 years - frankmas@juno.com (1:396/45.12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F5G00255 Date: 04/14/98 From: ANDREW CUMMINS Time: 07:08pm \/To: FRANK MASINGILL (Read 0 times) Subj: "Existence Exists" -=> Quoting Frank Masingill to Andrew Cummins <=- FM> I've never seen you FM> support ANYTHING with a reasoned answer that recognizes the right of FM> anybody else to have an opposite view. There's a reason I don't hold the "opposite view." Still, I have a greater respect for the views of others than they have for my views. I don't engage in deliberate acts of ignorance and idiocy to avoid intelligent and reasoned debate (my name calling is a response to willful ignorance and idiocy). Further, I don't want to force others to live according to my views but they want to force me to live according to theirs. FM> If you are of the "White" race FM> (really a funny in itself because to me "White" is albino) you have FM> benefitted from "affirmative action" all of your life. How do you figure? I figure: 1) What you say is not true. 2) I don't believe in giving anyone preferential treatment based on race. 3) Two wrongs don't make a right. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0066 * Origin: FREEDOM SIGNODE Serving Him and You! (1:284/57) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F5G00256 Date: 04/14/98 From: ANDREW CUMMINS Time: 07:08pm \/To: FREDRIC RICE (Read 0 times) Subj: Time and Again -=> Quoting Fredric Rice to Andrew Cummins <=- AC>> What magic could explain such a claim as the universe is AC>> accelerating its expansion? FR> Someone doesn't know what FR> a library is used for. ac> To find the answer for you 'cause you don't know? FR> Thus you evidence my hypothesis correct. And, you still have not provided an explanation for how the alleged expansion of the universe could be accelerating. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0066 * Origin: FREEDOM SIGNODE Serving Him and You! (1:284/57) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F5G00257 Date: 04/14/98 From: ANDREW CUMMINS Time: 07:08pm \/To: HAL WHITE (Read 0 times) Subj: Black Competence -=> Quoting Hal White to Andrew Cummins <=- HW> Pray tell, what are the philsophical inmplications HW> of all the "white reacial superiority" stuff of yours? The implications is that we shouldn't be supporting "black culture" and attacking "white culture." We should support American culture and attack anything damaging to American culture. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0066 * Origin: FREEDOM SIGNODE Serving Him and You! (1:284/57) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F5G00258 Date: 04/14/98 From: ANDREW CUMMINS Time: 07:08pm \/To: KARL SCHNEIDER (Read 0 times) Subj: Black Competence -=> Quoting Karl Schneider to Andrew Cummins <=- KS> On (10 Apr 98) Andrew Cummins wrote to Karl Schneider... KS> What the hell are 'native American blacks'?? AC> Which word do you not understand? KS> Each of the three words is easily understood. The combined usage, KS> however, forms what is popularly known as an oxymoron. AC> It must take a mush-brained PC zombie to see an oxymoron. AC> This is the 2nd time that you have failed to explain what AC> is unclear about that phrase. Moron. KS> Are you Laurie Appleton in drag? Make that three times that you've failed to identify how the phrase is unclear. Make that every time on every issue, you fail to support anything you say. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0066 * Origin: FREEDOM SIGNODE Serving Him and You! (1:284/57) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F5G00259 Date: 04/14/98 From: ANDREW CUMMINS Time: 07:08pm \/To: DAY BROWN (Read 0 times) Subj: Creationism -=> Quoting Day Brown to Andrew Cummins <=- DB> To be sure, the world could have been made 6000 years ago, with an DB> array of chemical compounds *in place* so that the sample only has DB> to *appear* to be much older based on the radioactive character of DB> that sample. Likewise, the fossils could have been created in the DB> ground, just like all the other minerals, which only *appear* such DB> that they had great antiquity. The deliberate act of God to make something appear as something which it is not is as unacceptable to me as to you. You overlook another possibility. It isn't nature nor God that is in error but man. I'm not sure of which dating method was used to date blue-green algae (rather rocks) at 3+ billion years. But, I would want evidence that the scientist is using the method in a reliable manner. DB> So, I study creationism to know creationists, and evolution to see DB> how it's supporters think. I dunno who is right, if either. I don't really care which is right. My pet cause is freedom. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0066 * Origin: FREEDOM SIGNODE Serving Him and You! (1:284/57) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F5G00260 Date: 04/14/98 From: ANDREW CUMMINS Time: 07:08pm \/To: DAY BROWN (Read 0 times) Subj: Christian Character -=> Quoting Day Brown to Mark Bloss <=- DB> To some considerable degree, it is an example of the lack of true DB> clarity in the Bible, that there are so many interpretations of a DB> document that says, as most of you do seem to agree, is the 'word DB> of God'. If it is so clear, then why in heaven's name, is it so, DB> that so many who ascribe to it, do not understand it? If it were DB> the word of God, it would be much more believeable to the rest of DB> us, if you all would agree on just what it says. The Bible is clear. People like Mark Bloss don't care what the Bible clearly says. When the Bible clearly condemns homosexuality because it is unnatural for a man to booger another man, Bloss is the type of person who would argue that the verse only applies to heterosexuals because it is natural for a homosexual to booger another man. Clarity cannot stand against such reason. Cult leaders distort the Bible for their own gain. Liberals like Bloss simply distort the Bible to destroy it. None of this has anything to do with the lack of clarity of the Bible. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0066 * Origin: FREEDOM SIGNODE Serving Him and You! (1:284/57) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F5G00261 Date: 04/14/98 From: ANDREW CUMMINS Time: 07:08pm \/To: HAL WHITE (Read 0 times) Subj: In Prison -=> Quoting Hal White to Richard Meic <=- HW> Mr Rice has, in fact, presented nothing that would even qualify as HW> data. And your comments were entirely apt. IF his little jaunt to HW> a prison had been written up for a soc. journal, they would have HW> laughed all day: 'investigator' with prior beliefs gets impressions, HW> {not even a number {S's} mentioned} that support his views. HW> But I chose not to get into MR. Rice's sociology. It's rather HW> trite: in a nominallly Christian country, most prisoners probably are HW> "Christian" {undefined}; so are most streetsweepers, roofers, and HW> axe-murderers. What's the big deal? Being a "Christian" doesn't make anyone a Christian anymore than being, say, Islamic. Most "Christians" are, uh, victims of society rather then people who know the Lord. Still, we've had over 40 presidents who claimed to be Christian and I'll put any of them up against any leader (of other countries) who claimed to be atheist in terms of respect for the rights of others to live peacefully and freely. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0066 * Origin: FREEDOM SIGNODE Serving Him and You! (1:284/57) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F5G00262 Date: 04/14/98 From: ANDREW CUMMINS Time: 07:08pm \/To: KEITH KNAPP (Read 0 times) Subj: Logical impasse -=> Quoting Keith Knapp to Frank Masingill <=- KK> A few years ago I used to fall for that stuff all the time over on KK> the Evolution echo. E.g., "Every argument against evolution is an KK> argument for creation." There are about half a dozen ways you can KK> take that apart and show that it's completely fallacious, but if you KK> don't _know_ that, you're a sitting duck for a good debater. Half the model of Creation is "Evolution didn't happen." As such, any evidence against Evolution is evidence for Creation. And, until you present a third viable alternative, any evidence against Evolution is evidence for Creation as a matter of elimination. Consider, there are three alternatives for the origin of the universe: Creation, Big Bang, and Steady State. Thus, evidence against the Big Bang isn't necessarily evidence for Creation. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0066 * Origin: FREEDOM SIGNODE Serving Him and You! (1:284/57)