--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F4G00004 Date: 04/09/98 From: FREDRIC RICE Time: 08:31pm \/To: BOB SEWELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Home schooled morons bs> If you look at the gov'ment's figures, most homeschools and private bs> schools are Christian oriented, and the scores on gov'ment approved and bs> enforced national tests show that homeschooled and private schooled bs> children score *much* higher than children in public schools. You're going to have to provide evidence to back up that insane claim, Bob. There was a time when Catholic private schools adheared to a higher academic ideal and produced quality educated graduates, but that time has long past. I'll expect your evidence by the end of the year. --- * Origin: The Skeptic Tank (1:218/890) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F4G00005 Date: 04/09/98 From: FREDRIC RICE Time: 08:35pm \/To: NICK DOUGLAS (Read 0 times) Subj: Offensive terms nd> Please, Mr. Rice, don't get flaming hot. I'm not sure I can discern what you are talking about. I can assure you that my thermographic emissions are well within the contemporary expected norms. nd> I'm considering leaving the forum because of your dwelling nd> on the subject of Creationism. The cognitive aspects of Creationist beliefs is well within the venue of philosophical discussion inasmuch as the vague, undefined, ambiguous deity constructs hap-hazardly described by Creationists don't seem to exist outside of human imagination. nd> As for the IQ, it's been verified by several IQ tests. No doubt self-administered. You know, when you give yourself Myers-Briggs, you're not supposed to perform a sum upon three seperate instances and claim that's you're IQ. --- * Origin: The Skeptic Tank (1:218/890) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F4G00006 Date: 04/09/98 From: FREDRIC RICE Time: 08:36pm \/To: BOB EYER (Read 0 times) Subj: ATHEISM v FIDEISM > Rice to Cummins, 3-27-98: > ------------------------- > ac> If you believe there is no God, then you hold an affirming > ac> belief. >>Except that atheism is the lack of belief in all of the gods and >>goddesses humanity has created for themselves. Everyone is born >>an atheist and, as you know, everyone is an atheist after they're >>dead. > According to this concept, an "atheist" would just as soon say, > "Gods may well exist, but I don't believe a word of it". No, according to atheism, atheism is the lack of belief in all the gods and goddesses. --- * Origin: The Skeptic Tank (1:218/890) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F4G00007 Date: 04/09/98 From: FREDRIC RICE Time: 08:37pm \/To: ANDREW CUMMINS (Read 0 times) Subj: Typical Cultist Behavior ac> We could breed thousands of generations of fruit flies under ac> conditions of increased mutation and selection and see if we ac> end up with anything that is not a fruit fly. FR> If you're looking for specific instances of directly observed FR> speciation events, just ask me. I would be more than happy to FR> assist you in divesting yourself of that ugly willful ignorance. ac> How many speciation events does it take to produce something that ac> is not a fruit fly from a fruit fly population? One, silly. Don't your masters let you learn _anything_? ac> Sigh, I am impressed that you can even remember to breath. But then you're impressed by cult masters who pretend they know science better than scientists. I take it your answer is "no," then; you're _not_ interested in specific examples. Now why aren't I in the least bit surprised? --- * Origin: The Skeptic Tank (1:218/890) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F4G00008 Date: 04/09/98 From: FREDRIC RICE Time: 08:39pm \/To: ANDREW CUMMINS (Read 0 times) Subj: Time and Again AC>> What magic could explain such a claim as the universe is AC>> accelerating its expansion? FR> Someone doesn't know what FR> a library is used for. ac> To find the answer for you 'cause you don't know? Thus you evidence my hypothesis correct. When a cultist doesn't know something, he or she attributes it to their deity constructs (or, more accurately, to their master's deity constructs.) When an intelligent person doesn't know something, they research the findings of others and, if so motivated, perform the experimentation and data collection to replicate and validate or refute the findings. Now pause for just a moment and consider where you might find yourself on the scale. --- * Origin: The Skeptic Tank (1:218/890) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F4G00009 Date: 04/09/98 From: FREDRIC RICE Time: 08:40pm \/To: BOB SEWELL (Read 0 times) Subj: ATHEISM v FIDEISM > In a deposition submitted under oath, Fredric Rice said: >>Except that atheism is the lack of belief in all of the gods and >>goddesses humanity has created for themselves. Everyone is born >>an atheist and, as you know, everyone is an atheist after they're >>dead. > By strict definition, everyone is born agnostic, without knowledge > of God. By any definition, everyone is born not believing in gods and goddesses. Ergo, everyone is born an atheist. --- * Origin: The Skeptic Tank (1:218/890) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F4G00010 Date: 04/09/98 From: FREDRIC RICE Time: 08:40pm \/To: BOB EYER (Read 0 times) Subj: MARK 16.18 >>No fundy would ever admit that the fragment is in any way suspect >>and, in any event, is demonstrably effective in the HolySmoke >>echo. > My point was directed at debating strategy. No it wasn't, Hal. --- * Origin: The Skeptic Tank (1:218/890) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F4G00011 Date: 04/09/98 From: FREDRIC RICE Time: 08:46pm \/To: RELATIF TUINN (Read 0 times) Subj: Willful Ignorance ac>> We could breed thousands of generations of fruit flies under ac>> conditions of increased mutation and selection and see if we ac>> end up with anything that is not a fruit fly. FR> If you're looking for specific instances of directly observed FR> speciation events, just ask me. I would be more than happy to assist FR> you in divesting yourself of that ugly willful ignorance. rt> Thanks Fred. It sure saves me the time of rooting about in textbooks. The poor dear decided he was better off not reviewing the truth. I can't say that I blame him, really. Consider all the money, time, and emotion he's invested in what he knows to be a lie. I can't blame him one bit for wanting to cling to his mistaken beliefs. This is an interesting aspect of human behavior. As I've mentioned, I have been reading James Randi's "The Faith Healers" and from time to time within the pages there are comments from people who were inside the "ministries" of these frauds; comments which expressed dismay at the overwhelming need to ignore overwhelming truth in favor of overwhelming lies. --- * Origin: The Skeptic Tank (1:218/890) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F4G00012 Date: 04/09/98 From: FREDRIC RICE Time: 08:52pm \/To: RELATIF TUINN (Read 0 times) Subj: The Religious Reich AC>> Hey loser, you didn't answer the question. Of course, if moron AC>> Liberals like you could answer such questions you wouldn't need AC>> to be such fascists. FR> Cool. The cultist wants to pretend that education and FR> science equates to liberalism -- a political party. rt> This is probably a direct consequence of rt> him being "taught" by religious politicians. I don't doubt it. Since the Religious Reich hijacked the Repukelicken' Party, any mock "two party system" America might once have had has been religated to a choice between either a hate-mongering, racist, homophobic Party of bigots or heavy-taxing, heavy-spending morons with a desire for tyranny. Now make a guess which one I'll vote into office. }:-} I have noticed that the Repukelicken' Party has begin tossing the Religious Reich out onto the trash heap. They have a LOT of house cleaning to do. jm>> I did, redneck. Wassamatter, couldn't you find or hire anybody to jm>> read it to you? BTW, Andy-boy, speaking of fascists, didn't you jm>> know that Hitler was a Christian... just like YOU! FR> Not only was Hitler a staunch Christian, but he didn't do anything that FR> Christianity hadn't done long before him; he didn't step outside of the FR> mold of Christianity one iota. rt> The Inquisition and the Holocaust are distinguishable only by the rt> difference in machinery. Hitler used ovens to dispose of his victims. rt> Now, what was it the christians used again? The stake, the rack, the Iron Maiden... what was the name of the anti-thema to Monty Pithon's "Comfy Chair?" The Holy Needle -- nothing quite so classic as that red hot poker, hey? Adolf Hitler confirmed his religion of choice repeatedly in his many speeches and meetings. Even more to the point, he merely picked up the persecution of Jews which Christianity had long been perpetuating. Ole' Adolf didn't do anything in the least unchristian. --- * Origin: The Skeptic Tank (1:218/890)