--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F3E00014 Date: 03/06/98 From: TODD HENSON Time: 03:35am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: ORDER! Since we can see that in order for the universe to posess order it is necessary for the Origin to also posess order, what about consciousness? Consciousness is the greatest example of order in the universe, and so, since this universe contains the ability to sustain consciousness, the Origin must also have posessed consciousness. Thus, God... ... Blue Wave - World Tour - 1998 --- * Origin: Nite Lite BBS (1:2410/534) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F3E00015 Date: 03/06/98 From: NICK DOUGLAS Time: 06:28pm \/To: WILLIAM ELLIOT (Read 0 times) Subj: "Existence Exists" So, what is existence anyway? Define some of these words and I can find faults in the definitions: exist life God probability Ich bein ein Berliner (just define it -- you'll know why later.) Once you're done, send it either here or to my e-mail address at spriterules@juno.com. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: * After F/X * Rochester N.Y. 716-359-1662 (1:2613/415) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F3E00016 Date: 03/06/98 From: NICK DOUGLAS Time: 06:36pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Creationism I just want to take this chance to say that I am a Creationist, and a Christian. Any questions, comments, debates, or unfounded attacks at my beliefs can be sent to me through this echo, or via e-mail at spriterules@juno.com. C-ya! --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: * After F/X * Rochester N.Y. 716-359-1662 (1:2613/415) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F3E00017 Date: 03/06/98 From: NICK DOUGLAS Time: 06:41pm \/To: MARK BLOSS (Read 0 times) Subj: "Existence Exists" WE> you can imagine, I can conjure a larger. I WE> raise you a googolplex. -) MB> MB> Gee, I don't know if we have enough space in fidonet to post it. ;) MB> I raise you to infinity. Trump card, I win. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: * After F/X * Rochester N.Y. 716-359-1662 (1:2613/415) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F3E00018 Date: 03/06/98 From: RICHARD MEIC Time: 05:25pm \/To: DAY BROWN (Read 0 times) Subj: Philosophy? Salutatio Day! 03-Mar-98, Day Brown wrote to Richard Meic Subject: Philosophy? RM>> Questions are useless, and meaningless without answers, or even RM>> the attempt to obtain answers. DB> You asking a useless question here, or stating a useless answer? No question, no answer, just a statement. They exist too, incase you have not noticed. DB> Agreed that you may never find any of mine to be of any use. Feeling a bit down are we? You misunderstand. Let me try from a specific point of view. I may ask a question, but that question would be meaningless without me or anyone else at least attempting to provide some sort of answer. Do you understand now? It was not a personal attack on you or anyone, it was a simple declaration of one of my personal philosophies. If you still wish to create some animosity from myself to yourself, there is nothing I can say or do to change your mind. DB> This DB> is not to say that no one will- ever. Which is to say, that one DB> of mine *might* be of some use some time. And how much use need be DB> to make it worthwhile to you, me, or anyone? Your standard may be DB> far higher than mine. I am happy with small uses. Cut out the self loathing, Day. I have never attacked your intellect or worth in the past and I have not done so here. If you feel inadequate that is not my fault, do not blame me. Dicere... email address (vrmeic@nucleus.com) Richard Meic --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: (0) Always watching. (1:134/242.7) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F3E00019 Date: 03/06/98 From: RICHARD MEIC Time: 05:42pm \/To: WILLIAM ELLIOT (Read 0 times) Subj: Philosophy? Salutatio William! 06-Mar-98, William Elliot wrote to Richard Meic Subject: Philosophy? >>>> Richard Meic on Philosophy? RM>> "Does a bear poop in the woods?" WE> No it doesn't. It poops on the ground. What ever you say, William. ;) Dicere... email address (vrmeic@nucleus.com) Richard Meic --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: (0) Always watching. (1:134/242.7) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F3E00020 Date: 03/06/98 From: DAY BROWN Time: 12:33am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: lost mail garbled packet. if you want a response, please repost me. ___ * OFFLINE 1.58 * Most former smokers are found in the graveyard. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: * After F/X * Rochester N.Y. 716-359-1662 (1:2613/415) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F3E00021 Date: 03/07/98 From: DAY BROWN Time: 12:32am \/To: RICHARD MEIC (Read 0 times) Subj: Philosophy? RM> Well, day the logic I am using is that there are infinities inherent in the universe (time and space are infinitely divisible and so are numbers), so I fail to see how a finite universe could produce these infinities. IMO, a finite universe should not have ANY infinities in it. But I do take your philosophy into consideration. It is different, not my philosophy, but different and I appreciate that. Granted that the position makes some reasonable mount of sense, I still wonder if it really matters whether the universe is finite, given that it is so vast. Fifteen billion lightyears is a lotta room, so much in fact, that I cannot tell the diff between it and a universe that actually *is* infinite. Inasmuch as we are running into integer quanta in the microcosm, I wonder if there is not some kind of integer quality to the macro. I really don't know. IF this reality format is a holodeck, it can actually be finite so long as it appears infinite. When I took physics, it was said that two perfectly parallel light beams in space would never meet. But that was before the discovery of black holes, and if they go there, nobody knows what they do. I see as time goes on, the discoveries include more anomalies. hmmm. ___ * OFFLINE 1.58 * Humphry is a geek name- unless your're Bogart --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: * After F/X * Rochester N.Y. 716-359-1662 (1:2613/415) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F3E00022 Date: 03/07/98 From: DAY BROWN Time: 12:49am \/To: DAVID MONTORANA (Read 0 times) Subj: history ...You have a fine revewrse optimism that stretches back... Goes to show what Machiavelli can do for you.... :-} Would you ...could you, think beyond your "now-life" presence. It might be easy to say yes, but history is not fat with those in power to do so (with any clarity of benefit). Even with Alexander, we have no way of knowing if the world might have been better off had he been a farmer or even never born. We still might entertain ... Actually, now that you mention it, my life seems to be constantly switching between a Zen be-here-now, and various versions of the past and future. Machiavelli, for instance, provides a lotta good insight into the current global political situation. Take his comment that the only time the Italian city states had any peace was when the French king threatened to invade... and extend that into some proposal to use US military might... None of which relates to the question of whether it is time to put potatos into the ground because the global warming and El Nino has moved the season up, or whether the forcasters are no better now than they were when they worked with chicken entrails. Although I may expound on the motivations of Alexander or Marcus Aurelius, I have to admit that they too, lived and worked within a fog of uncertainty, and the reasons I put forth are but a small part of what was going on. ___ * OFFLINE 1.58 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: * After F/X * Rochester N.Y. 716-359-1662 (1:2613/415) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 160 PHILOSOPHY Ref: F3E00023 Date: 03/07/98 From: WILLIAM ELLIOT Time: 07:22am \/To: TODD HENSON (Read 0 times) Subj: ORDER! >>> Todd Henson on ORDER! TH> Since we can see that in order for the universe to posess order it is TH> necessary for the Origin to also posess order, what about TH> consciousness? Consciousness is the greatest example of order in the TH> universe, and so, since this universe contains the ability to sustain TH> consciousness, the Origin must also have posessed consciousness. TH> Thus, God... So god ordered the universe. This explains why Earth is round, 'cause god ordered the Earth around. Do you know when god placed his order and who filled it? --- * Origin: Sunken R'lyeh - Aloha, OR (503) 642-3548 (1:105/337)