--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 159 WRITING Ref: F5G00010 Date: 04/10/98 From: JACK RUTTAN Time: 06:45pm \/To: MICHAEL NELLIS (Read 2 times) Subj: Amphigory MN>To which I would reply with profanities, obscenities, sharp criticisms, >and loud condemnations. Yea! Verily would I villify the perfidious >with heapings of maledictions and morisons, imprecations and >denunciations! You mean a lot of swearing? Jack R. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 159 WRITING Ref: F5G00011 Date: 04/10/98 From: JACK RUTTAN Time: 06:48pm \/To: MICHAEL NELLIS (Read 2 times) Subj: Leave It To The Reader? MN>Well, sure, but the reason for that is that the protagonist keeps the >situation fluid until a situation arises that he can clearly exploit for >his benefit. At least late enough in the story for it to stay interesting. Jack Ruttan --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 159 WRITING Ref: F5G00012 Date: 04/10/98 From: JACK RUTTAN Time: 06:58pm \/To: VERN FAULKNER (Read 2 times) Subj: Profanity VF>Try blurting out a heartfelt "oh, FUDDLEDUDDLE" some time. That only worked for Pierre Trudeau, and then only once. French, however, is a splendid language to swear in, if only for the fact that most of the obscenities are still obscene (having all to do with the church and religious artifacts, and they just never became "cool" to use the way the English words did), plus they string together very well. I don't have a reference here, but you can do something like "Calisse! Va chier ta maudit 'stie tabernack!" and that will still get you a fight anywhere. Jack Ruttan --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 159 WRITING Ref: F5G00013 Date: 04/10/98 From: MICHAEL NELLIS Time: 07:05am \/To: ELVIS HARGROVE (Read 2 times) Subj: Profanity Hi, Elvis. EH> All that verbiage, not a drop of communication. Saved to my quotations file and my tagline file. * SLMR 2.1a * ABCWX: Atomic, Biological, Chemical, Weather, Unknown. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 159 WRITING Ref: F5G00014 Date: 04/10/98 From: MICHAEL NELLIS Time: 07:10am \/To: CURTIS JOHNSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Profanity Hi, Curtis. CJ> Can't remember who said it, but a cliche is like a bright CJ> new coin whose features have been rubbed featureless through CJ> overuse. I have it attributed to you, although, upon reflection, I might attritbute to Samuel Johnson simply because it sounds like something he would have said. Maybe he did I don't remember it. Thumbing through the cliches and threadworn proverbs of others languages is a fine way to awaken one's self to the possibilities of making one's own language vivid. After all, a cliche is basically a bright new penny of thought worn dull through over-use. -Curtis Johnson, 27 Nov 1997 * SLMR 2.1a * Creativity is not divisible. -RAH --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 159 WRITING Ref: F5G00015 Date: 04/10/98 From: MICHAEL NELLIS Time: 08:28am \/To: CURTIS JOHNSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Venting Hi, Curtis. CJ> MN> DETERIORATA CJ> Yessiree, definitely the piece. Thanks for providing hard CJ> copy to compare my vague neuronal tracings to. You're welcome. CJ> MN> - Remember the Pueblo. CJ> Which Hopi village? 8-) More likely the U.S.S. Pueblo. Stuck halfway up the Yangtze during some hostilities or other while the U.S. was still putatively a neutral power in said conflict, but the ship and crew was held hostage anyway. Of course, you know that. :-) CJ> Ah, you left out what the record says next. . . CJ> GIVE UP! Don't have that part. * SLMR 2.1a * I stand by my heresies. -RAH --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 159 WRITING Ref: F5G00016 Date: 04/10/98 From: MICHAEL NELLIS Time: 08:52am \/To: KEN STALEY (Read 2 times) Subj: A new thread! Hi, Ken. KS> Something about this strikes me as odd. Perhaps it is a KS> 'sex' thing. OTOH, I've known women who could make a KS> sailor blush (and often DID). I think that is because us manderthals find something embarrassing in the use of profanities by women; even though we use the same profanities ourselves. KS> QUESTION: Is it easier for a woman to write from a male POV, or a KS> man to write from a woman's POV. I wouldn't think so. Seems to me the male POV is just as alien to women as their POV is to us. * SLMR 2.1a * I will not... revise my ideas to fit popular opinion. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 159 WRITING Ref: F5G00017 Date: 04/10/98 From: MICHAEL NELLIS Time: 08:55am \/To: BARBARA SHAFFERMAN (Read 2 times) Subj: A New Thread! Hi, Barbara. BS> KS> QUESTION: Is it easier for a woman to write from a male POV, or a BS> KS> man to write BS> I think it's easier for a writer to write from his/her own sex's point BS> of view, because after all, we are drawing on our own experiences. I don't think it's just a matter of experience, though, but psychology. There are certain intrinsic differences between how males and females view and relate to the universe. Men are generally considered to be destroyers and women builders. BS> Still there's no reason why a reasonably observant writer can't create BS> a believable character of the opposite sex. Agreed. * SLMR 2.1a * Twain invented the time travel story. Wells perfected it --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 159 WRITING Ref: F5G00018 Date: 04/10/98 From: MICHAEL NELLIS Time: 08:58am \/To: ELVIS HARGROVE (Read 2 times) Subj: Amphigory Hi, Elvis. EH> -> Yea! Verily would I villify the EH> -> perfidious with heapings of maledictions and morisons, imprecations EH> -> and denunciations! EH> And some idiot would think you liked it! Probably the same idiot who wouldn't know the difference between obloquy and obliquity. Blast them to oblivion and have done. :-) * SLMR 2.1a * I am not studying Arabic very much, nor am I writing. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 159 WRITING Ref: F5G00019 Date: 04/10/98 From: MICHAEL NELLIS Time: 09:14am \/To: ERICH ANGELL (Read 2 times) Subj: Conundrum Hi, Erich. EA> EA> Wellllllllllllll .... If ya wanna get rid of a fictional EA> EA> girlfreind ya send her out the door. She meekly leaves [...] EA> MN> Where the hell's the story in that?! EA> The writer as God ... Unlike 'real' life (and I hope yours EA> has been realer than mine) you can control what she does. My life is all too real. Dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull. Anyway, I guess your character could just slip out meekly, but even that should have repercussions. The character sending her would probably be enraged that she was going without a fuss and was thereby taking a genteel and subtle revenge by not throwing the scene he was hoping for. How dare she agree that I'm right and go so quietly!! EA> MN> What about the smear campaign she's going to start when she EA> MN> blubbers to all your friends about how cruel you were to her? EA> The truely nasty would have the village believing that you EA> were unable to be of use to ANY self-respecting female. 'Ere, guvnor! How could any self-respecting guy be expected to rise to the occasion, as it were, when all he had to look for'ard to is a dead arse? * SLMR 2.1a * The Universe is what it is, and never forgives mistakes. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133)