--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: DDH00032Date: 09/10/96 From: DAVE APPEL Time: 09:42am \/To: BEN SANSING (Read 2 times) Subj: HI CAPACITY CLIPS -> ...Quoting DAVE APPEL to ANDY BLACK... DA> Be careful what you call -> those things around here. The proper name DA> for such removeable -> ammunition feeding device is "magazine" not DA> "clip." Some of the -> more mean-spirited purists around here might make DA> fun of you for -> using the word "clip" instead of "magazine." -> Marlin persists in referring to their box magazines as "clip -> magazines". -> Obviously, these people are too "terminologically challenged" to be -> in the gun business, right? They're just covering all bases so that the unwashed masses who still use the word "clip" to mean "magazine" will know what they are. --- * IBMNet Connection <> Indpls., IN <> (317)882-5575 28.8 USR All Lines * PostLink(tm) v1.20 IBMNET (#5) : RelayNet(tm) * Origin: Chemeketa OnLine : 503-393-5580 (1:3406/15) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: DDH00033Date: 09/10/96 From: DAVE APPEL Time: 10:09am \/To: BEN SANSING (Read 2 times) Subj: 7.62 NATO in Savage 99? -> Simple (and hopefully not too dumb) question - -> Is it safe to shoot 7.62 NATO ammo in a Savage 99 lever action -> chambered for .308 Winchester? -> -> I've heard assorted assertions that "the two ctges. are dimensionally -> identical" as well as "no, they're slightly different". I've never -> had trouble shooting 7.62 NATO in a bolt action .308, but I've never -> had occasion to try it in any other action type. -> -> Also - I've heard that 7.62 NATO is loaded to higher pressures than -> (SAAMI- regulated) .308 Winchester. C.O.W. says that 7.62Nato is loaded to 50,000 psi max average pressure. Winchester Reloading Catalog 14th edition, copyright 1994, lists a load for .308 Winchester that says 54,900 psi on page 42. Hercules Reloader's Guide, 1992 edition, page 58, says that the max average pressure utilized in that brochure for .308 Winchester is 52,000 cup, or 60,000 psi. Speer #12 states that the SAAMI max average pressure for the .308 Win is 52,000 cup. --- * IBMNet Connection <> Indpls., IN <> (317)882-5575 28.8 USR All Lines * PostLink(tm) v1.20 IBMNET (#5) : RelayNet(tm) * Origin: Chemeketa OnLine : 503-393-5580 (1:3406/15) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: DDH00034Date: 09/11/96 From: JUDY GIBSON Time: 03:24pm \/To: RUTH LEBLANC (Read 2 times) Subj: Echo crosslink > I hope you are not serious. :( I for one believe if you want to do > anything like this it should be in self defence training and I don't > mean with weapons - Karate, Judo, Wendo, etc. and then you would want > to have trained by an expert. Martial arts have many advantages beyond self-defense, although that is a great advantage. My sons (now both black-belts in the Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan style of Karate) have learned a great deal of self-control and self-confidence. It has helped them learn to concentrate better and to deal with bullies in an assertive, but non-violent style. You are quite right that expert training is necessary, both for martial arts and for weapons. That's why my husband will be handling the weapons portion of their education. We also plan to sign them up for a "safe hunter" course when one becomes available -- even though we don't plan to take them hunting -- just because of the additional expert training in firearms safety. Judy | AmiQWK 2.9 - FREEWARE | ... The light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Nerve Center - Source of the SPINAL_INJURY echo! (1:261/1000) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: DDI00000Date: 09/12/96 From: CHRIS GILLILAND Time: 04:43pm \/To: BARB LUONGO (Read 2 times) Subj: Norwich, CT -=> Chris Gilliland said this to April on 03 Sep 96 05:28:17<=- CG> ! Origin: Split Infinity 1-203-886-0239 Norwich Conn. (1:320/242) BL> I see you're in Norwich, or the BBS you call is. We lived there for a BL> few years (July 1983 to July 1985.) Liked the area, not the landlord, BL> and ended up moving to Brooklyn/Danielson CT (July 1985 to Nov BL> 1986) - another pretty area - before we moved to Michigan. BL> I just wanted to say hi, it's nice thinking about the other places BL> we've been! :) Hi, Barb! Small world, isn't it? I don't know where Danielson is at all, as we have a tendency to stay along the shoreline. Shortly before my husband and I got married, we lived in Norwich from June 'til Sept. or Oct. of '82. Like you, we liked the area, but couldn't stand the landlord, either. Wouldn't it be weird if we had the same landlord? (bg) Where did you live in Norwich? We lived on Oneco. Is your husband Navy? Let me share a little tale of what happened to me one day, while in downtown Norwich and see if I can keep this on-topic as I'm sure there's a lesson in here somewhere: One day, shortly after getting pregnant with my eldest child, I got on a SEAT bus in downtown Norwich, at the Franklin Square depot. (I'm sure you know the area...) We had to sit for what seemed like forever until the driver got on and we could leave. In the meantime, while we were sitting there, I took stock of my fellow passengers. (I do this out of habit, 'just in case'.) A few seats behind me was a young Puerto Rican mother with her 2 young children, a 2-4 yo girl and an 18 mo. baby boy. With her was sitting a young black man. They were sitting there peacefully, just chatting... There was a ruckus up front. Some black teenaged boy was trying to shove a lil' ol' lady and her cart off the bus. After this disruption settled, the black guy in the back suddenly grabbed the baby boy off of his mother's lap and bolted off the bus! The lil' girl ran out after her, right into traffic! The woman was screaming,"My baby! My baby!" The lil' girl was crying for her mother, and the people on the bus were yelling, "Somebody call the cops!" The mother had a firm grip on this man's white T-shirt and had it half off his back, tires squealed as cars screeched to avoid hitting the lil' girl, and the baby who was being jiggled rather harshly, was screaming in terror. The man ran across the traffic island and to the alley, which, at that time, was situated next to "Bev's Tearoom", now "Tavern On The Green". The cops appeared, almost from out of the blue, with their guns and billy clubs. They hit him about the head with their clubs until he released the child and once he was spread-eagle on the ground, subdued him with guns trained at the back of his head. All was well and happy in La-La Land, but looking back on it, I can't help but wonder how harsh 'lessons' like this can affect a child? :-\ The lesson previously mentioned? To quote Rick Springfield: ... "Don't Talk To Strangers!" Chris --- Blue Wave/RA v2.20 [NR] * Origin: Split Infinity 1-203-886-0239 Norwich Conn. (1:320/242) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: DDI00001Date: 09/12/96 From: CHRIS GILLILAND Time: 04:43pm \/To: REGINA FINAN (Read 2 times) Subj: adhd -=> Quoting Zaynab Richmond to Alinda Harrison <=- RF> Learning styles depend on the child. Some need high stimulation and RF> some will go bolistic with it. My Jeremy who is ADHD is 8 years old. RF> He did ok in school except for phonics and spelling and some reading. RF> He also hates bookwork, but some of our assignments includes drawing a RF> picture and he likes that. Make sure the bookwork is short. Regina, we do that for our daughter. It seems to work! We've even reinfored what the kids read by practicing what they read, with activities connected to the books. Cooking is good for this, but you can also fish when a book addresses that, or anything else for that matter. :) Chris ... Learning without thought is labor lost. --- Blue Wave/RA v2.20 [NR] * Origin: Split Infinity 1-203-886-0239 Norwich Conn. (1:320/242) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: DDI00002Date: 09/12/96 From: CHRIS GILLILAND Time: 04:43pm \/To: ZAYNAB RICHMOND (Read 2 times) Subj: Echo crosslink ZR> We don't have guns here, but we do have bullet holes in the front of ZR> our home due to a drive-by shooting last March. Someone was shooting ZR> at people who were loitering in front of our home, and my son was only ZR> 15 feet away, watching TV. :( I was so angry, I called the local ZR> paper and they did a front page story with our pictures... because I ZR> wanted the idiot with the gun to /know/ who it was he almost killed ZR> due to his irresponsible action. Boy, your view is SO different from MINE! We had a shooting in our neighborhood, and although it bothered people (to say the least...), nobody wanted to talk about it openly or be seen on TV. Supposedly drugs WERE involved, and nobody wanted to GET involved, as a result! You're braver than *I*! ;) Chris ... Exercise your right to arm and keep bears! --- Blue Wave/RA v2.20 [NR] * Origin: Split Infinity 1-203-886-0239 Norwich Conn. (1:320/242) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: DDI00003Date: 09/12/96 From: CHRIS GILLILAND Time: 04:43pm \/To: DONNA RANSDELL (Read 2 times) Subj: update DR> As a music teacher who has taught other things, it irritates me when DR> there is no commitment. I've had kids (and adults) take four or five DR> lessons in piano, voice, dance, and decide "I don't like this". Then DR> they quit. I don't know how they could tell whether they liked this in DR> that short of time! I was able to pick out tunes on the piano as a kid, so my mother signed me up for piano lessons when I was 15-16. I LOVED it, but she cut them, as she didn't like the piano teacher's 'attitude'! I still remember Ardith Fell! :) I WISH she would've let me have the lessons. I needed the discipline and it was FUN!!! Chris ... Hint for Mom: Piano lessons aren't for everyone. ...but I sure would've liked to have continued them! :( --- Blue Wave/RA v2.20 [NR] * Origin: Split Infinity 1-203-886-0239 Norwich Conn. (1:320/242) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: DDJ00000Date: 09/14/96 From: GLEN TODD Time: 01:53pm \/To: ZAYNAB RICHMOND (Read 2 times) Subj: Echo crosslink Bright the day, Zaynab! Monday September 09 1996 12:54, Zaynab Richmond wrote to Glen Todd: GT>> While we're on the subject, though, how many other people here think, GT>> as we do, that firearms and other weapons training _should_ be a GT>> mandantory part homeschooling or other educational curriculae? ZR> Well. I'm not into weapons and firearms, and haven't been planning to ZR> teach about them. What exactly are you planning to teach your children ZR> about them??...how to use them, safety precautions, or what?? nsidering All of the above; basic safety rules, care and maintaining of, and range and field qualification with. Eventually I'd like them to at least have the academic knowlege of how to build a black powder flintlock rifle from scratch, including making balls and powder. Same goes for crossbows, longbows, and edged and other close quarters weapons. I don't know that they'll need it; OTOH I don't know that they won't, and when you _DO_ need it it's way too late to learn. ZR> the number of children that are accidentally killed or injured by them ZR> every year, it seems that words of caution /should/ be included in ZR> elementary education. But of course. ZR> We don't have guns here, but we do have bullet holes in the front of ZR> our home due to a drive-by shooting last March. Someone was shooting ZR> at people who were loitering in front of our home, and my son was only ZR> 15 feet away, watching TV. :( I was so angry, I called the local ZR> paper and they did a front page story with our pictures... because I ZR> wanted the idiot with the gun to /know/ who it was he almost killed ZR> due to his irresponsible action. Very valid point, and a prime example of _uneducated_ and irresponsible use. One thing that firearms education _DOES_ teach is that a firearm is not a magic wand; just having one and waving it around doesn't make you some kind of super-being. (A myth perpetuated by too many cop shows, Rambo-esque Hollywood movies, and the like.) You learn that it is a _tool_, one with specific uses, limitations, strengths, and weaknesses. A very useful lesson, IMHO, even of the student will never again touch one. Do bear in mind, also, that my kids are older (10, 13, and 15), and that we live in a rural area (total county population ca. 15,000). That, however, doesn't change the basics, just the specific circumstances. Wind to thy wings, Glen ... Gather 'round like cattle and ye shall be herd. --- GoldED/386 2.50+ * Origin: High Reaches CyberSchool BBS == (719) 687-5974 (1:128/203) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: DDJ00001Date: 09/14/96 From: GLEN TODD Time: 02:07pm \/To: DONNA RANSDELL (Read 2 times) Subj: Echo crosslink Bright the day, Donna! Wednesday September 11 1996 07:25, Donna Ransdell wrote to Glen Todd: >> disciplinary action is being taken. I have, however, contacted the NC >> of the net where I believe the problem is in order to resolve it. (The >> originating board does not appear in my nodelist.) DR> According to the PATH statements, they are coming from 3406/15....a board DR> listed in my nodelist as DOWN. :( That's what I show as well. Wind to thy wings, Glen ... (A)bort (R)etry (D)on't even think of it! --- GoldED/386 2.50+ * Origin: Avalon is rising, to fall no more (1:128/203) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: DDJ00002Date: 09/14/96 From: GLEN TODD Time: 02:07pm \/To: ALISANNE FLEITMAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Echo crosslink Bright the day, Alisanne! Tuesday September 10 1996 08:03, Alisanne Fleitman wrote to Glen Todd: >> While we're on the subject, though, how many other people here think, >> as we do, that firearms and other weapons training _should_ be a >> mandantory part of homeschooling or other educational curriculae? AF> Are you asking only for responses from those who AGREE with that? I n't That wasn't really my intention, although I can see how it could be read that way. All POVs are welcome. AF> There are some subjects that I would agree should be mandatory: English, AF> History, Geography, Mathematics, Science, Government Studies. BUT I ould AF> never add firearms training to that list. I am not going to teach my AF> daughter to use a gun. I am not going to learn to use a gun. I don't like AF> the idea of my husband having a gun. I used to think somewhat that way, while I was going through my high-school spurt of fluffy bunny liberalism. Then what I got taught anyway by a friend of the family who fortunately didn't share my opinion of the time quite literally saved my life and the lives of my comrades on numerous occasions. Needless to say, the experience gave me a much firmer grasp of reality than was theretofore the case. Actually, my question was only partly about that specific topic; I also wished to help make the point (in connection with another topic) that there are _no_ circumstances under which the intentional suppression of knowlege can be seen to be beneficial either to the one so denied or to the community of which he/she is a part. AF> I Vote No. Noted. I sincerely hope that I never have to depend on you or your daughter to cover me. Wind to thy wings, Glen ... URA Redneck if your next family reunion is a chance to meet girls. --- GoldED/386 2.50+ * Origin: <> High Reaches CyberSchool BBS == (719) 687-5974 <> (1:128/203)