--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: D5U00003Date: 05/23/96 From: BARB LUONGO Time: 03:18pm \/To: DONNA RANSDELL (Read 0 times) Subj: catalog Hi Donna! -=> Donna Ransdell said this to all on 20 May 96 13:45:10<=- DR> Over the weekend, a great catalog came into my mailbox. I spent a DR> good part of Sunday ooh-ing, ah-ing, and writing down a lot of what DR> was in it! This wasn't just "a catalog"...it was a catalog and source DR> of information. DR> This catalog specializes in U.S. History and the U.S. Government DR> (sorry, Canadians). It is more for kids older than 12, though there DR> are a few items in it for younger kids. Thanks so much!! DR> The catalog only comes out once a year, in May. So be sure to call now DR> if you want one...otherwise, the small print within says you have to DR> pay for it. Bluestocking Press DR> PO Box 2030 - Dept. 8 DR> Shingle Springs, CA 95682-2030 DR> (800) 959-8586 DR> (916) 621-1123 DR> (916) 622-8586 DR> They take check, money order, credit card (V,MC) ... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold seperately. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: The Wild! Blue BBS -=* Home of The Blue Wave *=- (1:2240/176) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: D5U00004Date: 05/23/96 From: BARB LUONGO Time: 03:22pm \/To: DANNY CARLTON (Read 0 times) Subj: Moderator warning (was "C Hi Danny! -=> Danny Carlton said this to Glen on 16 May 96 06:42:00<=- DC> As for the original post being a slur. The phrase "this is all DC> slanted" when refering to the viewpoint "that DC> humans started in 4000 bc" is a slur against Orthodox DC> Christians who hold this view and teach it to their children. Other It is *not* a slur - it is a *fact*. It is slanted to state that we _know_ there were no humans before 4000 bc. A person asked how slanted can the "Christian" books be. And I responded. I am a Christian, and I don't agree with this particular belief. Stating it as "fact" doesn't make it a fact, and my saying that it was stated in the book does not mean that I am slurring anyone. It is there for all to read if you doubt my reading skills. DC> than the *theories* of archeology (a science) there exists no DC> evidence of the activities of humans prior to @4000 B.C. Any DC> reference to activities before that time would be *theories* of DC> science and definitely *not* history and should not be taught as DC> historical *fact*. This book shouldn't be sold as "historical fact". DC> Here is what he said: "If a Christian textbook did not use the Bible DC> as the source of ultimate authority, it wouldn't be worth the paper DC> it is written on to those of us who are Christians." 5-10-96> DC> Notice the word "Christian textbook" and the phrase "to those of us DC> who are Christians". Also notice (if you have the entire post) the It infers that the person he was responding to (me) is not "Christian"... those of us who ARE Christians are offended by his wording. (Do you like that one any better?) DC> Why is it that Orthodox Christians must blindly accept the *theory* DC> of Evolution as fact or be considered closed minded, yet when we try DC> to explain why *we* believe what we do, you say we are condemning all Why is it relevant to knock scientists in a World History book? Is this what being a "Christian" means?! I doubt Christ would think so. He was much more tolerant of others than this book appears to be. DC> What standards of academic rigor and honesty are Christian texts not DC> held up to? (And please don't pull out some obscure text put out by DC> some off the wall radio preacher from Who-knows-where-ville and say, DC> "See!") Gee, if you want examples, I could get the book out and give you a lot of quotes that would show you - but I doubt that Glen wants me to get into this. If he does, though, I'll be happy to dig in and type it out. DC> In *your* "No Religion Bashing Echo" *you* just posted the phrase DC> "'Christian' posters not be permitted to freely trumpet their DC> imagined and self-proclaimed superiority". DC> Can you see the image in the mirror yet? Can you? You are really so sure that your flavor of "christianity" is better than others and wonder why quotes are put around the word?! DC> Conference. (I think it strikes to the very heart of the motivation DC> behind most homeschooling in this country today) And all along I thought it was less than adequate public schools. ... Music is like religion, everyone swears theirs is better. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: The Wild! Blue BBS -=* Home of The Blue Wave *=- (1:2240/176) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: D5U00005Date: 05/23/96 From: BARB LUONGO Time: 06:57pm \/To: AMBER FLOYD (Read 0 times) Subj: Moderator warning (was "C Hi Amber! -=> Amber Floyd said this to Danny on 17 May 96 13:43:49<=- >> do not live up to your standard of Christian. How can Christian Home >> Schoolers get much use of a 'religion-neutral forum' when the very >> reason the are doing it is based on deeply held religious beliefs? AF> Ummm, we could talk about reading? About visual -vs- auditory AF> learning? About history partys? The specifics are often the same, no AF> matter our motivations. If you can share ith me a way to make math AF> come alive for my daughter, it dosn't ever even need to come up that we AF> are different religiously. I agree. Does your daughter like to read? My daughter does. I like to make math games, because they have always helped me with math. I told her to look at the last page of the book, then figure out where the middle would be, and other points - like each third, each fourth, fifth, etc... it makes it fun to be able to figure out how far each point is. I try to do that with a lot of stuff, it makes regular math a lot more interesting. ... "Would you continue the petty bickering" - Data --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: The Wild! Blue BBS -=* Home of The Blue Wave *=- (1:2240/176) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: D5U00006Date: 05/23/96 From: BARB LUONGO Time: 07:11pm \/To: DANNY CARLTON (Read 0 times) Subj: Moderator warning (was "C Hi Danny! -=> Danny Carlton said this to Glen on 18 May 96 20:10:00<=- GT> This is an EDUCATION echo, NOT a theology echo. The above was off GT> topic, irrelevant, offensive, and insulting to the participants in this GT> echo. DC> You have personally decided what is to be "irrelevant, offensive, and DC> insulting"? I found the post (from Ken Woodward) to be perfectly DC> on topic, relevant, polite, and tactful. You on the other hand While _you_ may have found it fine - it was addressed to me, and I found it off topic, irrelevant, offensive and insulting. But then, he was attacking someone else and me - not you. DC> I've never heard of a Science Textbook using a single source for all DC> of their information. If it does exists I would agree with you that DC> it fails to use enough sources. But to reject a Science Textbook DC> because it uses the Bible as one of its sources, doesn't make sense. DC> Does Abeka in fact use only the Bible as a source in its Science and DC> History Textbooks? Yes, which is what I was pointing out. I don't recall seeing in the bible a specific date that mankind showed up. Yet, that is the source used for the A Beka World History and Cultures book. As far if it's the _only_ source, I doubt it. The bible doesn't mention current day Asia. DC> It's not Scientists who teach little children that Evolution is a DC> fact. Watch PBS for one day, use a calculator with plenty of memory DC> and count how many references are made of Evolution as a fact, i.e, DC> ("10 million years ago this species..." or "Long before man learned to DC> walk..." not "According to the Theory of Evolution, 10 million years DC> ago..." and "The Theory of Evolution teaches that long before man DC> learned to walk...") Dinosaurs existed whether or not you want to believe it. You can choose not to believe it, but it doesn't make it any less true. DC> To avoid redefining your words I'll accept what you say you meant, DC> but remember that the WAY emphases are *usually* expressed is not by DC> _quotes_. Quotes typically designate doubt or "so-called" or DC> "so-to-speak" or figures of speech. Just as you inerpreted Ken DC> Woodards post as "offensive", others (including myself) interpret DC> putting quotes around the word Christian as offensive in the way I DC> described. I often put quotes around "Christian", since it has become to mean something other than "Christ-like". Christ was very tolerant of others, this new kind of "Christianity" isn't. DC> consider the So-And-Such Institute a valid source" I doubt he would DC> have posted his comments. What was said was to the effect of: "I DC> disagree with this textbook therefore it's slanted and of no value". Actually, you are misquoting me. Someone asked about the Christian History books, and how slanted they were. I responded to the question, and Ken gave a lecture about "Christian" textbooks. I did not, at any time say that the books have no value. ... "You can observe a lot by watching." --- Yogi Berra --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: The Wild! Blue BBS -=* Home of The Blue Wave *=- (1:2240/176) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: D5U00007Date: 05/25/96 From: PATRICK KARP Time: 01:56am \/To: OHIO HOME SCHOOLERS (Read 0 times) Subj: How Do You Like Your H.S. Laws? Hi, I'm Esther Karp from Arkansas. How do you like home schooling in Ohio? What do you like about your law and what would you change? Just Wondering, Esther ... Catch the Blue Wave! --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: Conway PC Users Group BBS 501-329-7227 (1:399/4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: D5U00008Date: 05/24/96 From: JOHN BLACK Time: 11:37pm \/To: GLEN TODD (Read 0 times) Subj: "Christian" History Hi, -> JG> This year I used a Bob Jones world history book with my 13 -> year old. JG> It was interesting -- particularly the parts where they .... -> library to view a different slant) JG> and, possibly more important, -> as a tool to teach him about determining JG> the angle of slanted -> texts and how to sort fact from fiction in reading JG> them. I was just skimming recent letters and your's caught my eye. This is quite true. I am not Catholic, but I noticed the same thing about the A Beka history book I used last year. The "Since the Beginning" one. It wasn't too bad at the start, but they really put their own interpretation on it. Of course ALL history books do that. The least slanted history book is a timeline and even those have a slant in that they sometimes fail to recognize a particular event or discovery, if it doesn't show the country of publication in a good light. However, they are the least biased and most complete. Of course, they don't help you understand surrounding events. You just have to use a variety of sources and take everything with a grain (or a pound) of salt. After all "hi-story" is just people telling stories about the way they saw what happened! We all have a point of view, even when we try to be impartial. Historians are not known for being impartial in any case. We just have to make sure we and our kids are aware of it. It can certainly lead you astray if you are not aware of it. Just compare a typical school history text, with one written a few decades ago, or one with a Christian slant. There'e so much bias in all this that its hard to establish anything more than bare facts with any certainity. As you said, it certainly helped your son learn about bias and how to spot it. Marge B-) --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0313 * Origin: Encode Online Orillia,Ont.705-327-7629 (1:252/305) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: D5V00000Date: 05/25/96 From: CHARLES DEWAR Time: 10:22am \/To: BARB LUONGO (Read 0 times) Subj: Moderator warning (was "C BL>I often put quotes around "Christian", since it has become to mean BL>something other than "Christ-like". Christ was very tolerant of others, BL>this new kind of "Christianity" isn't. It's pointless to argue with these "Christians" who border on cult behavior. Turn the other cheek and hope that they get better some day. They are psychologically ill. --- * OLX 2.2 TD * charles.dewar@launch.net --- ViaMAIL!/WC5 v1.00b * Origin: Texas Hot Air! * Flower Mound, TX (1:124/8057) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: D5V00001Date: 05/24/96 From: GWEN TODD Time: 09:31pm \/To: AMBER FLOYD (Read 0 times) Subj: why can't ---- read??? Hi, Amber! Friday May 24 1996 01:16, Amber Floyd wrote to Tori Otsuki: >>> I've got her reading adult mysteries that aren't too graphic. I found AF> Issac Asimov wrote some very entertaining ones, and they are not AF> graphic in the least. AF> Look for the "Black Widowers". And Rex Stout did some about this gourmet and his chauffer that were good. Gwen ... General failure reading drive A: Please remove your fist. --- GoldED/386 2.50+ 164LM1 * Origin: <> The Point at Pooh Corner <> Woodland Park, CO <> (1:128/203.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: D5V00002Date: 05/25/96 From: ALINDA HARRISON Time: 01:23am \/To: EILEEN O'CROINAN (Read 0 times) Subj: homeschooling TV shows RE: homeschooling TV shows BY: Eileen O'Croinan to Alinda Harrison on Thu May 23 1996 21:04:52 > Investigate the chance of working a local flea market -- she can sell anythi > she can make which has a professional quality (with a sensible price-tag) an > there are lots of math and bookkeeping skills involved, as well as > interpersonal abilities. She's not quite up to "professional quality" yet, but she does ok for a seven year old :) I have been considering having them make a product or two for selling at a flea market. The older daughter can make a decent padded notebook\photo album...and I think Becca can too. I missed a couple lines quoting about that italian movie... > responsibility, and the differences programmed into people because of cultur > standards, as well as the differences between living at the turn of the last > century and the turn of this one... It sounds like an interesting movie, but I'd have to preview it first. I'll keep it in mind... ...peace... Alinnda Sue... --- Skyhawk's Nightmare * Origin: (1:138/293) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 158 HOME SCHOOLING Ref: D5V00003Date: 05/24/96 From: DANNY CARLTON Time: 07:55pm \/To: AMBER FLOYD (Read 0 times) Subj: Moderator warning (was "C ****On 05-24-96 01:18, Amber Floyd wrote to Danny Carlton ******about 'Moderator warning (was "C'. >> You missed the point of my comment. If I choose to homeschool because AF> No, I caught that. I just didn't think it was as relevent as you AF> do. Do you know my religious beliefs? Do you need to know them, to AF> explain to me how to help my girl read better? You asked what we would AF> talk about, and I tryed to answer. We can talk about learning! The AF> nuts and bolts of the car are the same, no matter WHY we are driveing AF> to the store. Interesting...what any number of Orthodox Christians might wish to discuss that include both the topics of Homeschooling and several other associated religious topics are irrelevant as long as what *you* wish to discuss, can be discussed. Yes, we can talk about an infinite number of Homeschooling related topics, but when Homeschooling overlaps religion, it suddenly becomes "off topic", that is discriminatory, to say the least. There are severely differing aproaches to education and religion is the the foundation and framework for many of them. It encompasses not only the motivation but the method, the content and most definitely the curriculum. 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