--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: F1W00000 Date: 01/25/98 From: CHRISTOPHER TARANA Time: 06:47pm \/To: ZORCH FREZBERG (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Decks -=> Quoting Zorch Frezberg to Christopher Tarana <=- ZF> Close. Make it ZF> ZF> Capt Robert April Launch to +2 - Shakedown/'Sea Trials' ZF> Capt Chris Pike +2 to +7 - First Five Year ZF> Mission ZF> and add 2 years to each of the dates, and you'd about have it right. Actually my first draft had Capt April doing a 5 year mission and a refit just to give a possible worst-case scenario. I dropped it in favor of the approach I took so that even the hardline B's & C's of Trek Canon couldn't argue too much. Your approach is a good compromise. ZF> While April's service on the "E" is largely undocumented, it would ZF> probably be likely that his command was not considered a "true mission" ZF> in light of what Pike and Kirk went through since it would be ZF> 'officially' recorded as being part of 'testing'. I agree. I can't recall any decent reference to April except the Pocket novel, and you know how much mileage they get! :-) ZF> The likely reality would be that since the "E" was the most 'reliably ZF> tested' of the spaceframes, it was routinely sent on 'special missions' ZF> as a part of the testing process. It's reasonable to assume that the Constitution itself may have been held in Quadrant zero not only as a control to the experiments that nterprise was conducting, but as a rescue vessel in case something short of a total warp breach occured. Especially with the advanced Duotronic computers board, it's not something you abandon and leave for the Romulans or Klingons. CT> This might also explain why the Queen of Starfleet was being used as a CT> training vessel, ferrying around cadets instead of patrolling the outer CT> reaches of the Federation. (Personally, I think Nogura and Spock cut a CT> deal to keep Spock on the Enterprise because Nogura owed Kirk after the CT> Vger Crisis!) ZF> You've got a pretty good analysis here...I'd disagree with the time ZF> frames, but not terribly so, as indicated above. :-) The Canon Factor Strikes Again! Nogura couldn't face the possibilty of Kirk and Spock resigning at the same time, so he cuts a deal that Spock commands the Enterprise in Zero Quadrant while Kirk is "in Absentia" at Starfleet Command and Spock uses the Enterprise for a training vessel. This gives Nogura an out he can use to pressure Kirk into going back upstairs hile making Kirk believe he's not giving up the Enterprise permanently. The age shouldn't matter as far as the spaceframe goes, one would assume that by that century, we would be able to refit a vessel to fairly exacting standards. Its all a matter of raising the credits and allocating the time for a refit. Funny thing about Admiral Morrow's comment about the Enterprise's age is that it seems to ignore the vast amount of changes that Enterprise underwent during her refit to Constitution Class - Flight 2, He doesn't realize Enterprise is NOT the same vessel that April and Pike commisioned. It's a more fficient design all around. (The way I solve the class conflict is to call the Enterprise (NCC-1701) after the refit a Constitution Class - Flight 2 vessel (or just Constitution Class for the lay person.) and call NEW builds using the refit blueprints the Enterprise Class cruisers. The Navy did the same thing with their Los ngeles (688) SSNs (Attack Subs). All the boats from 688-718 were Flight 1 boats, and after a redesign that updated the reactor systems, and added Vertical Launch Tomahawk missile tubes, Los Angeles class boats from 719-750 were called Flight 2 boats.) > But you're right...especially with respect to the adventures that the ZF> "E" went through, as an engineer, I'd *really* like to see the effects ZF> on the ship of being in "null space" ("The Immunity Syndrome"), going ZF> through interstitial space ("The Tholian Web"), time travel (you name ZF> it), and being hit with temporal waves ("City on the Edge of Forever"). I'm positive Scotty must have made a fortune on the Lecture circuit, especially after Piccard picked him off that Dyson Sphere! I can't see him retiring. Teaching, yes - Retiring, no. ZF> No wonder Kirk was at a desk for over two years...it took that long to ZF> de-brief the entire crew on the missions! Actually he would have debriefed the crew and Fleet the first year of the "refit". The second eighteen months he was working undercover with Admiral Ciana. :-) Christopher ... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- PCBoard (R) v15.22/M 2 * Origin: Ed's BBS * Holiday,Florida * 1:3619/45 (1:3619/45) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: F1W00001 Date: 01/26/98 From: ROGIER VAN EETEN Time: 06:33pm \/To: MICHAELA O'CONNOR (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: GPL Op 10 Jan 98 om 01:40:35 schreef Michaela O'connor heel gelukkig aan Luke Fischer: MO>LF> >>>>>>>>>>> RS> Resistance is futile, you may now touch my lobes. > MO>LF> >>>>>>>>>>> Grin, a ferrengi with pierced ears.... :) MO>LF> >>>>>>>>>> GPL earrings? MO>LF> >>>>>>>>> Gaudy pierced Latnum? MO>LF> >>>>>>>> Garish Phosphorescent Latinum. MO>LF> >>>>>>> Gold Plated Latinum. MO>LF> >>>>>> Gray Polished Latinum. MO>LF> >>>>> Greasy profane Latinum MO>LF> >>>> Gallium Platinum Latinum MO>LF> >>> Garlic peppered Latinum. MO>LF> >>> Girlish Pampered Latinum. MO>>> Greenish Pink Latinum MO>>> Gooey Popcorn Latinum. MO>> Geeky Pig Latinum MO>> Great Penny Latinum MO>LF> MO>LF> Garnished Petty Latinum MO>Garnished Petty Laxatives MO>Garnished Pretty Laxatives MO>Garnished Pretty Latex Grinning Pissed Lwaxana --- Dutchie V3.03 * Origin: Veni, Vedi, Velcro! (2:500/3.9) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: F1W00002 Date: 01/26/98 From: BRIAN DAVIS Time: 12:33pm \/To: RONNY NIELSEN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Old & new Klingons -=> Quoting Ronny Nielsen to Paul Andinach <=- RN> Hi Paul Andinach, hope you are having a nice day CM>> ..... I would have had it been a genetic experiment to improve CM>> the whole Klingon race that caused the look. RN> Why cant people accept that klingons look different, and stop coming RN> with silly explanations. Hmm imagine if a new series suddenly made Because someone on the writing team got cute and drew attention to said physical difference in an episode of DS9. Once that happened, the issue leapt out of the realm of mere production issues and into the realm of Trek universe continuity. I've abstained from such debates myself; I think it was a mistake on the part of TPTB to open that particular can of gharghmey. But, they did it, so you can't just dismiss the change as "Gene wanted it that way" any longer. From the POV of the *characters* of the show (at least the non-Klingons), there's some unanswered questions, and fans of the show, being...well...fans of the show are also naturally speculating as to the answers. }}:-> ... Don't hit me, Mr. Moderator... I'll go back on topic... I swear! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] * Origin: River Canyon Rd. BBS Chattanooga, Tn (1:362/627) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: F1W00003 Date: 01/23/98 From: BRIAN DAVIS Time: 05:37pm \/To: PETER LUTZ (Read 0 times) Subj: Star Trek Facts -=> Quoting Peter Lutz to Bill Nichols <=- BN> It's guys like that & the lady a years or so back who reported for BN> jury duty in a SF uniform that give us a Bad Name. PL> Yeah, but she wasn't disqualified for the uniform, she was PL> disqualified because she talked about the case to reporters, a no, no, PL> for jurors until after the case. I wear 'Trek Togs' daily, my T-shirts, PL> TNG jacket or Voyager jacket. I used to wear a 'Movie Maroon' to PL> conventions.... Yes, but wearing a piece of "normal" clothing with a Trek logo or whatnot on it is a tad bit different than putting on a Starfleet "uniform" for daily wear...which is what Meester Bill is talking about. For example, if I put on my Klinwear and ridges for a jaunt to the grocery (and I've been in KAG long enough now to have learned to never say "it'll never happen" ) I daresay I'd get a few more odd looks, and elicit a few more disparaging comments about Trekkers/ies than if I simply wore one of my KAG T-shirts (and the prerequisite pants and shoes, of course). ... Back up my hard disk? I can't find the reverse switch! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] * Origin: River Canyon Rd. BBS Chattanooga, Tn (1:362/627) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: F1W00004 Date: 01/25/98 From: BILL NICHOLS Time: 10:50am \/To: PETER LUTZ (Read 0 times) Subj: Star Trek Facts PL>RS> Hmmmm...have we seen motorcycles in Trek? PL>Only when they go into the past, but we did see a 1949(?) pickup, which PL>somehow still had gas in the tank after being exposed to the vacuum of space PL>in the Voyager episode the 49ers... AND that the block wasn't frozen solid, too. --- JMail-H 2.80d * Origin: 221B Baker St * Ft Walton Beach FL * 904-862-8643 (1:366/221) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: F1W00005 Date: 01/07/98 From: WAYNE HALSDORF Time: 11:05am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: No messages Haven't seen any messages. Any reason? * SLMR 2.1a # * Press any key to continue or any other key to quit --- OverMail v0.82b * Origin: UXB Info-Serve - BBSList & BFDS FDN Headqtrs (1:141/1135) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: F1W00006 Date: 01/25/98 From: VICTORIA MACKEY Time: 09:34am \/To: ALAN PRESLEY (Read 0 times) Subj: Trek Sound Tracks AP> Someone else is giving me a number to call to get them. AP> Thanks for all of the AP> help anyway. You're welcome. VAM --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: ArcticNet (1:138/34) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: F1W00007 Date: 01/26/98 From: JEAN HALVERSON Time: 11:12am \/To: PETER LUTZ (Read 0 times) Subj: Star Trek Facts -=> Quoting Peter Lutz to Rita Smith <=- RS> Hmmmm...have we seen motorcycles in Trek? PL> Only when they go into the past, but we did see a 1949(?) pickup, PL> which somehow still had gas in the tank after being exposed to the PL> vacuum of space in the Voyager episode the 49ers... PL> Pete Pete, would you mind terribly giving me a brief synopsis of that episode? It apparently aired before I started watching Voyager. Besides, I've heard the reference to the pickup sooooo many times that y'all have my curiosity up. Glad i'm not a cat, too. jean ... I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means ME. - Gandalf --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] * Origin: * The Ratz Nest BBS * Texas * (817) 447-1619 * (1:130/911) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: F1W00008 Date: 01/26/98 From: JEAN HALVERSON Time: 11:12am \/To: BILL NICHOLS (Read 0 times) Subj: tags aplenty -=> Quoting Bill Nichols to Jim Morgan <=- JM>FWIW Bill, I haven't seen a tag on any of your posts. JM>Not even the OLX footer. BN> This makes me Somewhat Unhappy. Rats, so many BN> tags, so much wasted humor. :( Is it time for us to unite and bury your sysop with reams of mail concerning our loss of your eloquent one liners? We weep, grieving for that little mite of comic insanity. jean ... Shakespeare in the original Klingon ... --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] * Origin: * The Ratz Nest BBS * Texas * (817) 447-1619 * (1:130/911) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: F1W00009 Date: 01/25/98 From: PAUL ANDINACH Time: 09:32am \/To: PETER LUTZ (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Star Trek Facts -=> Quoting Peter Lutz to Rosemary Ighel <=- PL> Enterprise, (pick a letter) was named after the carrier. PL> Remember, the Shuttle program did not start until the 70's and Trek PL> began in 66. 1960s: Star Trek. After several other suggestions are rejected, the starship is named "Enterprise". 1970s: NASA goes looking for a name for its space shuttle, and is flooded with letters suggesting that it be named "Enterprise" in honour of the starship. 1980s: Star Trek TNG. In one of the rooms on the Enterprise-D, there is a display showing models of the past Enterprises. As well as the E-C, E-B, E-A, and E-original starships, there is a model of the space shuttle Enterprise, implying that in the Star Trek universe the starship was named in honour of the space shuttle. Paul ... History does repeat itself. But not as often as TV repeats old movies. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Perth PC Users Group BBS - 08-9497-7772 (3:690/650)