--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: F1S00005 Date: 01/21/98 From: ALEXANDER BILAN Time: 07:38pm \/To: JACK SCHWENDENER (Read 0 times) Subj: muscle design factors You where writing to Day Brown about rear-ends; > I think I've seen/tried just about every combination of U-joints > (especially when I worked for 4-Wheel & Off-Road) and as long as you I'm assuming 4 Wheel & Off-road magazine. Whats the real story behind working for a magazine? > insists it's necessary). The tires (especially radials) provide plenty > of damping so vibration due to unequal angles is not a big deal. In > fact, we used to intentionally reduce the rear U-joint angle to zero > (directly inline with the drive shaft) in order to reduce friction > (which I think was also worrying about nothing .... ) Speaking of angles, I've always figured that the above scenario you mention would be best for longevity rather than equal angles. Better to have 1 joint stressed than two in my opinion. Alex. | AmiQWK 2.7 - S/N 0261 | ... KFC: "Only a rooster gets a better piece of chicken." --- OLMS 2.60p.a1+ [EPMBP73M] * Origin: Multiboard * 519-680-2991 * Internet (1:2401/0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: F1S00006 Date: 01/21/98 From: ALEXANDER BILAN Time: 07:38pm \/To: SEAN DUNBAR (Read 0 times) Subj: Car. > Which is what I'll probably do. The MAIN reason I want/wanted another > car is > gas mileage; another reason is now whoever broke into my truck knows I > have > good taste in car audio equipment, and they'll figure I'll have a better > stereo eventually. Gas mileage isn't all its cracked up to be. Perhaps with one of these way too new cars, but basing my judgement on the cars in the driveway, it doesn't matter if its a stock v8, a modified v8 or a stock I6, they all average the same mileage. > Started building up the alarm-from-hell today though, with the purchase > of an > Avital alarm. Going to put it in over the weekend; sensors on EVERY > entry > point (sliding windows, doors, hood), plus the usual array of functions > (siren, starter kill, etc). It can start the engine for me if I add on > a module.. Does it have a pager function if the alarm goes off? Alex. | AmiQWK 2.7 - S/N 0261 | ... Rap DOES have a purpose - it makes disco sound good. --- OLMS 2.60p.a1+ [EPMBP73M] * Origin: Multiboard * 519-680-2991 * Internet (1:2401/0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: F1S00007 Date: 01/23/98 From: MODERATOR Time: 12:10am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Rules of the OLDCARS Echo Rules for FidoNet's OLDCARS Echo *** Revised 3-18-96 *** The following are the rules for the OLDCARS FIDO-NET echo conference. This conference is carried on the FIDO-NET backbone and is moderated by Gerry Calhoun at 1:2004/200. These rules will be subject to change if a change seems needed or is requested. 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If any other points come up in the future, they will be addressed and added to this list if necessary. If there are any questions or comments about these rules, address them to me, Gerry Calhoun, via net-mail ONLY at 1:2004/200. --- * Origin: PETS R US! 805-946-8345 - Lancaster, CA (1:2004/0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: F1S00008 Date: 01/23/98 From: JACK SCHWENDENER Time: 07:41am \/To: ALEXANDER BILAN (Read 0 times) Subj: muscle design factors AB>> (especially when I worked for 4-Wheel & Off-Road) and as long as you AB> I'm assuming 4 Wheel & Off-road magazine. Whats the real story behind AB>working for a magazine? Yes, Petersen's 4WOR. I wrote tech stories for them from around '84-88 (+/-). ("Mighty Rat," 454 in a Blazer) Real story? I'm not sure what you want to know. (It's not Consumer Reports ... ) Don't plan on getting rich. AB>Speaking of angles, I've always figured that the above scenario you ention AB>would be best for longevity rather than equal angles. Better to have 1 joint AB>stressed than two in my opinion. According to the U-Joint guys I talked to, you actually want some misallignment (equal angles as you mentioned) to distribute the wear more evenly over the surface ("race") of the U-joint. Otherwise you can get "Brinelling," localized high stress and wear. They recommended 1 degree for stationary applications, but vehicles move enough on their own that you really don't have to worry about it. You are certainly right about equal angles on stationary applications, the out-of-phase will tear stuff up pretty fast. It's just not a real problem with vehicles (but too much angle is ... !) Hint, next time you see a really jacked up 4x4, check to see if his front drive shaft is there or has been removed .... Jackson --- * SLMR 2.1 * Speed costs money - How fast can you afford to go? --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: ELLIOTT'S BBS ORANGEVALE, CA 916-988-0954 (1:203/721.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: F1S00009 Date: 01/21/98 From: ALAN MORRISON Time: 03:53pm \/To: BRIEN PAGE (Read 0 times) Subj: Car. -=> Quoting Brien Page to Craig Healy <=- -> There were two V8 engines available, a 287 cu in (made by Chevrolet) -> like I had and the Chevy 327 cu in engine. CH> AMC (Rambler) *never* had a Chevy engine from the factory. The 287 CH> and 327 were AMC-manufactured and had no components in common with CH> the small block Chevy. BP> the AMC dealership (and various mechanics from time to time) said BP> the reason it took forever to get non-stocked engine parts was the BP> dealership had to order the parts from American Motors, which in BP> turn had to order the parts from Chevrolet. AMC often sourced some parts from other suppliers like GM's Delco, or Ford's Autolite division. This was typically on electrical parts. But as far as carburetors go, a Holley could have been used on a Ford; Chevy used very few Holleys (mostly high-performance 4 barrels). An Autolite might come from Ford, and a Rochester from a GM dealer. This also goes for any spacer plate, or other carb part not available aftermarket. --- Blue Wave/386 v2.20 [NR] * Origin: River Canyon Rd. BBS Chattanooga, Tn (1:362/627) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: F1U00000 Date: 01/23/98 From: ALEXANDER BILAN Time: 04:08pm \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Car. You where writing to Craig Healy; > You'd think that there would be more and better cross-reference > information > out there. Heck, maybe there is, but it's on the 'net and that's why > I haven't seen it... Dealers guard that information with great zeal. Even factory information at the user end (dealer parts counter, etc.) doesn't contain the fact that part X fits car Z W and B. That carb on the AMC may be an identical carb used on the chevy motor. A little note in the parts book "procure from GM dealership" takes care of that. Within marques, its a matter of patience and willingness to search parts and cross reference numbers. Parts counters only have so much patience for this, and only so many minutes in a day, and be damned if they will let you borrow the "bible" overnight so you can do your own searching. > I've heard that junkyards are supposed to have some sort of super > cross-reference type of material, but have never seen this sort of > thing and > wouldn't want to try and spend any money on such stuff. Thats the Hollander Exchange Manual. Costly, I spent $150 on the 40th edition. Usefull. And not usefull. It is good for general cross reference. It does NOT detail the part. It will only tell you that Steering box installed in Car A fits in Car B, Car C and Car D. It does not tell you how to identify a fast ratio box from a standard ratio box. Same with rear axles, the exchange does not cover gear ratios, only the main physical bolt in axle. > Ideally there would be some sort of electronic version of this, to run on > your computer. Though it's hard enough trying to even find something of > this sort to deal with electronic parts! Many autowreckers do have the electronic version of the Hollander. The only drawback is the CD costs over $1400 US. You can find Hollander on the net, www.hollander.com if I remember correctly. Alex. | AmiQWK 2.7 - S/N 0261 | ... "I'm just here for moral support. Ignore the gun. --- OLMS 2.60p.a1+ [EPMBP73M] * Origin: Multiboard * 519-680-2991 * Internet (1:2401/0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: F1U00001 Date: 01/23/98 From: ALEXANDER BILAN Time: 05:22pm \/To: DAY BROWN (Read 0 times) Subj: Murphy's law on brakes > Believe me Alexander, I pumped the bejesus out of that pedal > trying to bring it up; it never completely lost back pressure, Don't worry, I believe you! > but it obviously wasn't doing diddly to the brakes. so far, I > see no indication of leaks, but it has been raining, and I have > yet to crawl in the mud under it to make sure. Lets us know what telltale signs you find under there when you get the chance. > They hadda backorder the master cyl, saying it was an oddball. > maybe that is a clue too. Could be. Alex. | AmiQWK 2.7 - S/N 0261 | ... "Don't be alarmed, Be very, very frightened." --- OLMS 2.60p.a1+ [EPMBP73M] * Origin: Multiboard * 519-680-2991 * Internet (1:2401/0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: F1U00002 Date: 01/24/98 From: SEAN DUNBAR Time: 11:51pm \/To: ALEXANDER BILAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Car. AB> Gas mileage isn't all its cracked up to be. Perhaps with I seem to do pretty good on the highway; even moving along at close to 80 MPH tonight I seemed to average around 12-13 MPG (windows closed, tailgate up, a/c off). Bout a 20 mile trip. City mileage is only 6-9 MPG though. I'll take 25-30, thanks. AB> Gas mileage isn't all its cracked up to be. Perhaps with AB> one of these way too new cars, but basing my judgement on I have my eyes out for an 87-89 Honda Prelude right now. Send my insurance up a bit, but I have some very fond memories associated with a friend's old 88 Prelude 2.0S. I also like the styling, and absolutly love the interiors (except for the fact that "legroom" in the back seat is virtually non-existant). One I'm looking at now is an 89 2.0S, light blue interior and exterior, 130k, 5 speed, sunroof. The car is nearly perfect, and looks like it just came off the showroom floor, EXCEPT for a dent in the left front fender and damaged paint in said area. I can bring them down at least $500 for that alone. AB> Does it have a pager function if the alarm goes off? Alex. That's the one thing it doesn't have. Wound up not putting it in though, going to wait and put it in whatever I get. ... "Oh, we use only the finest baby frogs." --- Telegard v3.09.g1/mL * Origin: tos * 972-818-0339 - dallas texas (1:124/6630) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: F1U00003 Date: 01/24/98 From: SEAN DUNBAR Time: 11:45pm \/To: STEVEN THOMAS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Distributor ST> I am putting together a 69 351W longblock. Since I have to ST> buy a distributor I wanted to go electronic. I don't want ST> to pay the big buck$ for an MSD, Is there an inexpensive ST> way to go. I have seen some nice looking distrib / coil ST> combos in articles in Super Ford, But they never mention Steven, if the 351W didn't change much in the early 80's/late 70's, get a distributor from a DuraSpark II ignition system. Shouldn't cost too much, then get a regular coil and a DuraSpark II ignition module for a 351W (probably the same as the one on my 351M). It's not the best ignition system, but it's dirt cheap (shouldn't run over $150 for all the parts). The ignition modules tend to go out now and then, but they're only $20 at most parts stores. I've replaced the one on my 80 Ford F-150 (351M) once in the 2 1/2 yrs I've been driving it. ... "And we'll have fun, fun, fun..." What? A moderator? Never mind. --- Telegard v3.09.g1/mL * Origin: tos * 972-818-0339 - dallas texas (1:124/6630) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: F1U00004 Date: 01/24/98 From: ERIC CURTIS Time: 02:02pm \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Car. On 01-21-98 14:21 ROY J. TELLASON Says: RJ>I've heard that junkyards are supposed to have some sort of super RJ>cross-reference type of material, but have never seen this sort of RJ>thing RJ>wouldn't want to try and spend any money on such stuff. Hollander Manual. Curt. e-mail: ecurtis@isd.net --- * WR 1.31 # 595 * * Origin: Thieves Kitchen - 561-7967 - USR COURIER V.EVERYTHING 1:282/4117)