--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: EDM00026 Date: 09/17/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 07:01pm \/To: CRAIG HEALY (Read 0 times) Subj: Hot Rod Lincoln 16 Sep 97 18:12, Puleeeeze Brer Craig Healy, Dooooon't trow Hot Rod Lincoln in dat der Briar Patch! CH> Should be a 460. Than engine was used from 1969 to the late 70's. CH> A rather decent engine, actually. Still quite a bit of racing CH> equipment available - even right from Ford. As far as fitting in CH> the Fairlane, I'd say not easily. Ford made the special race-only CH> Thunderbolt with a similar sized 427 FE engine. It took a lot of CH> work to get it to clear the shock towers. Didn't Ford move those shock towers to accomodate the 427 back then? Not in the stock Fairlanes, but the Thunderbolts. If you don't know, my Hub drove one of those for the factory, I'll ask him... ... You asked for it and you know it! --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: EDM00027 Date: 09/11/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 05:04pm \/To: CHRIS BILTCLIFFE (Read 0 times) Subj: 460 weight 10 Sep 97 10:45, Puleeeeze Brer Chris Biltcliffe, Dooooon't trow 460 weight in dat der Briar Patch! CB> -=>> Quoting Sean Dunbar to Elvis Hargrove <=- CB> ->> Send one of those 460's down here. Hell, send both! :) CB> EH>> Sean. You got any IDEA how much those things WEIGH!? CB> SD>> I'm guessing around.. oh... 800-900 pounds. Am I close? CB> CB> Try about 1200, +tranny, if they've got one. Gimme a break. We're not talking a tank diesel engine, just a Ford 460. 800lbs would be stretching it. CB> Not exactly light, ya know? Why do you think they guzzle so CB> much gas??! ;) It takes gas to feed cubic inches. Engine weight hardly enters into it. ... If everything seems to go right, check your zipper... --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: EDM00028 Date: 09/12/97 From: MODERATOR Time: 12:10am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Rules of the OLDCARS Echo Rules for FidoNet's OLDCARS Echo *** Revised 3-18-96 *** The following are the rules for the OLDCARS FIDO-NET echo conference. This conference is carried on the FIDO-NET backbone and is moderated by Gerry Calhoun at 1:2004/200. These rules will be subject to change if a change seems needed or is requested. Enforcement of the rules will be handled in the echo and/or via net-mail. Repeated violations of the rules may be considered grounds for the offending node to have its link to this conference cut. Rule #1: Please try to keep your language suitable to all ages. Remember this message base is open to all age groups, and some may take offense to foul language. Rule #2: The topic here is OLD CARS. What makes a car an old car? 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If there are any questions or comments about these rules, address them to me, Gerry Calhoun, via net-mail ONLY at 1:2004/200. --- * Origin: PETS R US! 805-946-8345 - Lancaster, CA (1:2004/0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: EDM00029 Date: 09/11/97 From: CRAIG HEALY Time: 11:05am \/To: SEAN DUNBAR (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Mopar or Walk? -> CH> Sean, the 460 really isn't all that heavy. I would guess about 6 -> CH> tad over 500 pounds, and the 289/302 Ford less than that. Your 35 -> CH> is probably about 575, give or take. -> -> Wow.... so if I were to swap a 460 in, I probably wouldn't even need -> suspension work, would I? Probably not. Would be like adding a front seat passenger. You could check the spring listings at the dealer to see if it's the same. Is your truck a half-ton, or is it larger? -> CH> The 351M and 460 have the same bellhousing bolt pattern, so the -> CH> transmissions bolt up. -> -> That I do know.. 351M/400/429/460 all had the same, though the 460 -> uses the same block as a 429 doesn't it? (I know the 351M and 400 -> share the same everything except rods and crank) Yep, 429 and 460 are essentially the same engine. Also the 370 truck engine. Motor mounts are probably different. Will look at a 400 that's at the junkyard, and compare it to the 460 I have. Since 460's did come in trucks, there's a correct mount available. -c- --- ViaMAIL!/WC4 v1.30 * Origin: Chowdanet! 20gb Amateur Radio BBS (401-331-5587) (1:323/120) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: EDM00030 Date: 09/12/97 From: JEFF EDMONSON Time: 01:36pm \/To: CHRIS BILTCLIFFE (Read 0 times) Subj: King pin suspension z> JE> Anyone ever have any luck replacing the King-pin suspension z>in those old battle wagons? z>You mean replacing the king pins, or replacing the coils? My z>brother's got a '75 Ford 1-ton van, which has got basically the > same front suspension as your 'battle wagon' only heavier. > He replaced the king pins, because they were practically siezed > when he got the van, but he's never done anything with the coils. > Does your's need work or something? Or something ;-) Probably just a good alignment, but I was told that the King pins needed to be replaced, before they (a mechanics shop) could align the silly thing. Now, I'm thinking that maybe they were looking to make some extra hundreds of $$$'s, instead of just aligning the thing. Around 60mph, it gets quite the 'wwobblee', enough to nearly jerk the steering wheel outta yer hand! Getting above that speed, or hanging around 55mph it's not bad. -Jeff --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Electronic Avenue BBS 210-533-5668 San Antonio, TX (1:387/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: EDM00031 Date: 09/13/97 From: WES LEATHEROCK Time: 05:06pm \/To: JEFF EDMONSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: King pin suspension -=> Quoting Jeff Edmonson to Chris Biltcliffe <=- > You mean replacing the king pins, or replacing the coils? My > brother's got a '75 Ford 1-ton van, which has got basically the > same front suspension as your 'battle wagon' only heavier. > He replaced the king pins, because they were practically siezed > when he got the van, but he's never done anything with the coils. > Does your's need work or something? JE> Or something ;-) JE> Probably just a good alignment, but I was told that the King JE> pins needed to be replaced, before they (a mechanics shop) JE> could align the silly thing. JE> Now, I'm thinking that maybe they were looking to make some JE> extra hundreds of $$$'s, instead of just aligning the thing. JE> Around 60mph, it gets quite the 'wwobblee', enough to nearly JE> jerk the steering wheel outta yer hand! JE> Getting above that speed, or hanging around 55mph it's not bad. With the discussion about honest shops, this reminds me of a long time ago when a mechanic told me I needed the king pins replaced before he could align it. I took it to another shop (a dealership, no less!) and they told me that in their opinion the king pins showed only minor wear and did not need to be replaced for a long time. Needless to say, they got my alignment job and I took the car back to that shop for many, many years for all kinds of work. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: The Hammer BBS (405) 376-0210 Mustang, OK (1:147/1039.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: EDM00032 Date: 09/13/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 06:28pm \/To: JEFF EDMONSON (Read 0 times) Subj: King pin suspension 12 Sep 97 13:36, Puleeeeze Brer Jeff Edmonson, Dooooon't trow King pin suspension in dat der Briar Patch! JE> Probably just a good alignment, but I was told that the King pins JE> needed to be replaced, before they (a mechanics shop) could align the JE> silly thing. Now, I'm thinking that maybe they were looking to make JE> some extra hundreds of $$$'s, instead of just aligning the JE> thing. Around 60mph, it gets quite the 'wwobblee', enough to nearly JE> jerk the steering wheel outta yer hand! Getting above that speed, or JE> hanging around 55mph it's not bad. I had that problem with a 51 Ford, many years ago. It had a loose idler arm, but it wasn't worn bad enough to cause the wobbleees, just bad enough to allow the wheels to wobble when they wanted to. The cure was to balance the tires and wheels. Then, when I was able to afford it, I replaced the idler arm... ... Power doesn't corrupt people, people corrupt power. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: EDM00033 Date: 09/13/97 From: BILL CLARK Time: 11:00am \/To: JACK SCHWENDENER (Read 0 times) Subj: Bolt, Rod Bolt. On (12 Sep 97) Jack Schwendener wrote to Alexander Bilan... JS> I've actually lost jobs that I thought didn't make sense for the JS> customer, that it would cost too much or not do what he wanted to do Back when I was in the business there were many a day I made money by saying no and staying out of trouble. -bc- wclark@worldnet.att.net --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: Wow... I just had a V8 (1:132/180.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: EDM00034 Date: 09/13/97 From: ALEXANDER BILAN Time: 05:35pm \/To: JACK SCHWENDENER (Read 0 times) Subj: Bolt, Rod Bolt. > I've always told people it they find a good shop they can trust, pay > maybe a little more and keep the guy in business. What does it help > anybody if he goes out of business .... Agreed. I get on a rant of a similar nature when people complain about mechanic service on their vehicles. Like, how hard is it to find an independent that does work you like? I go to one guy exclusively. He gets EVERYTHING. In turn, I get great prices in return on work. One other thing, yes, you may pay more for some stuff, but you also won't find yourself at his doorstep regularily looking to fix "the next thing that broke unexpectedly". > Good luck with your truck. Looks like luck is with me, all my colors are on, it looks fantastic. Well above any expectations I had for my daily driver. The final color is different from what I expected (not that I cared if the shade was different) Its a dark blue green, I'd say turquoise, but its too dark for that. In any case, the cans of paint and parts book call it a 1983 Truck dark blue. =) With a darker silver/grey side stripe. Now I know I shoulda taken some before pictures to give that shock value to the face lift it got. =) Alex. check us out; http://www.oldengine.org | AmiQWK 2.7 - S/N 0261 | ... WOBBLEWOBBLEWOBBLEWOBBLEWOBBLE THUNK THUD BANGBANGBANG >CRASH --- OLMS 2.60p.a1+ [EPMBP73M] * Origin: Multiboard * 519-438-1066 * Internet * 4GB * (1:2401/0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: EDM00035 Date: 09/13/97 From: ALEXANDER BILAN Time: 05:35pm \/To: SEAN DUNBAR (Read 0 times) Subj: Alternator Hey Sean, Responded to the alternator thread in old_engine, but I suspect my messages are getting lost there. Heres a condensed version; I'd suggest going with the orginal game plan of retro-ing a 1 wire (or 3 wire, easily done, see the unFAQ) into your truck. The mounting methods you describe are virtually identical to the GM units. As for wiring, use a 4 guage wire between the alternators output (BAT) terminal and the battery side of your starter relay. Alex. | AmiQWK 2.7 - S/N 0261 | ... I am neither for nor against apathy. --- OLMS 2.60p.a1+ [EPMBP73M] * Origin: Multiboard * 519-438-1066 * Internet * 4GB * (1:2401/0)