--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: DDP00004 Date: 09/19/96 From: LORI HARVEY Time: 07:23pm \/To: MIKE EYRE (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Chevy vs dodge Yeah, you got a problem with that? My little Reliant used to be able to outrun Monte Carlo's, and other Chevy's (Chivy's) too. It's a souped up little car. --- MsgToss 2.0c (r) * Origin: The Proteus BBS - V.34+\8CDS\OS2v3 - 1.515.432.1965 (1:290/118) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: DDP00005 Date: 09/19/96 From: JOHN DEMOTT Time: 09:07am \/To: RICHARD DOHERTY (Read 4 times) Subj: Chevrolet SS Hello Richard! 15 Sep 96 15:56, Richard Doherty wrote to John Demott: >> JD> In late 1963 GM approved a new line of autos called "intermediates". RD> I believe if you look you will find that the Tempest was not part of RD> the "Intermediate" class. The Tempest DeLorean modified started as RD> and economy class with a stock 4cyl in 1962. It appears as though you are confusing the "bent shaft" unibody Tempest introduced in 1961 with the all new perimeter framed "A" body designed for 1964? RD> .... They told him it would never sell so as a joke he gave it the RD> most ridiculous name he could think of, General Turisimo Overdrive, Cute little story but no basis in fact. General Motors takes seriously the naming of their autos. The GTO was taken from the famous Ferrari GTO. There was even a comparison report of the Pontiac GTO and the Ferrari GTO in the March, 1964 edition of "Car & Driver". Oh... BTW... GTO stands for "Grand Turisimo Omologato". RD> made it available in 1963 and the rest is history. Sorry but there are no 1963 GTOs. 1964 was the first model year. John --- FMail/386 1.02 * Origin: 11720 Clinton Rd, Rives Jct., MI 49277 (1:2330/4.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: DDP00006 Date: 09/19/96 From: JOHN DEMOTT Time: 09:04am \/To: GERRY CALHOUN (Read 4 times) Subj: Chevy vs dodge Hello Gerry! 17 Sep 96 11:26, Gerry Calhoun wrote to John DeMott: GC> I though the 426 was a wedge head until 1965. The '63-64's were wedges, GC> with the ram induction, and a 4 barrel carb over each head with LONG GC> intake runners. True. I don't think the 426 hemi was available to the general public until 1967 or 68. John --- FMail/386 1.02 * Origin: 11720 Clinton Rd, Rives Jct., MI 49277 (1:2330/4.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: DDP00007 Date: 09/19/96 From: JOHN DEMOTT Time: 11:48am \/To: ALL (Read 4 times) Subj: 69 Camaro SS/RS Hello All! For those interested. The latest edition of SIA has an article on the 1969 Camaro SS/RS. Original base price: convertable, $2,941 SS package: $327.55 RS package: $131.65 As you know, SS is for go and RS is for show. John --- FMail/386 1.02 * Origin: 11720 Clinton Rd, Rives Jct., MI 49277 (1:2330/4.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: DDP00008 Date: 09/18/96 From: RICHARD DOHERTY Time: 07:15pm \/To: LORI HARVEY (Read 4 times) Subj: Chevy vs dodge Hark! The clouds break and Lori Harvey utters: >If you compete a Dodge against a Chevy in a street race, the Dodge >will win out, hands down. There was a race at Indy, IN during the That is a false, stupid and far reaching statement. >Mopar nationals a couple of years ago between a Corvette and a Viper. >The Viper won the race......NO PROBLEM. The Hemi is back, it's sold The Viper had just a SLIGHT advantage since it was at a mopar meet competing against a stock corvette. In factual terms the Viper is quite a nice car but still not as refined or powerfull as a Corvette can be. >in a crate package. I'm not sure what the price is, but I don't think >it's that expensive. And yes, Dodge had the 426 Hemi when all the It will run you about a third higher as the Boss 429 from Ford and has never stopped being produced. oh, that means that the basic block is about 13k, including block, heads and crankshaft. Pistons, rods valves etc, are all afterwards. >Chevy had was a 6 banger, but we can't forget that Dodge had a 392 >Hemi also. (Very early in the in the life of Dodge.) Early hemi's were gods gift to gutless mechanics. They were pathetic at producing power and weighed almost a quarter of the car weight. While hemi's were out as soon as 1952 they were such god awful motors no-one wanted to buy one. Not until Chevy motors produced with the "thin wall casting" came out did Mopar finally think of the Hemi as a usable motor. As for "just sixes" get a grip. It wasn't around that early. t did predate the SBC by about 3 years. It certainly didn't change the face of auto mechanics like the SBC did. ... Banging head against wall mode - OFF * Raben Taggen * * Origin: Destiny Knight 4Lines 12cdroms 604-722-3934 288,00 (1:351/249) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: DDP00009 Date: 09/18/96 From: RICHARD DOHERTY Time: 07:15pm \/To: ALEXANDER BILAN (Read 4 times) Subj: 305/350 Richard Doherty Could not resist replying when he saw Alexander Bilan say THIS! > >Thank gawd, I have seen all to many get their back to the wall on the > >topic. > >I know the feeling... There was a guy I worked with at one time who >was a diehard fanatic. You couldn't >even hold a non-partisan technical discussion, without the guy getting >defensive for about his favorite brand. I know! I am not really partial to any brand of car. No, I lied :> Actually I love Pontiacs but I know they are not perfection, I just like their body styles. As for motors I am not dedicated to any one type, rather I enjoy finding out about all of them. Any of the big 3 are more or less equal, each has their own strong/weak points. Amusingly I find Chrysler fanatics tend to get their back up the quickest, it's easy to spot them... they go on the defensive almost immediatly! > >Brrr.... Just slightly cheaper than runnng champagne! > >But still cheaper than a short lived pinging motor. If I put timing >back to factory specs I might get away with the regular >grades..Nahhhh.... I like my advance. Eeek! I don't understand.. I run 89 octane in a daily driver with no pinging. It is most definitly not short lived either! And my advance is where almost all people who have drag raced a chevy have it ;> >But propane does offer me half-price fuel, and I calculated that in >less than two years (factoring in worst case propane mileage) the >entire conversion will have paid itself back. Yep, it does tend to be cheaper. I have a friend running a ford 3/4 ton 4x4 with a 302 on propane... beggar gets cheaper driving than I do! > > Wreckers you can ignore safely, most will probably only have about '75 > >and up. Look for backyard junkers from the 60's and 50's. Or even better > >Many do, but since I have a '73, I tend to look for old stuff anyway. >But still, its a matter of going about this two different ways; If I >built it myself in the garage (which necessitates a core) Or, just buy >one through UAP replacement engines, or ACDelco replacement engines. The core is 3/4 of the battle in 283 blocks. Don't order a 283 core from those two, you will get a 307 core instead or (worst case) a 305 bored out to 3.875 inches. The difference is in the wall thickness, a 283 from 1959 to 1967 is the best and toughest. ... "Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is the best defense...." * Raben Taggen * * Origin: Destiny Knight 4Lines 12cdroms 604-722-3934 288,00 (1:351/249) SB>JR>A couple of years ago there was a shop advertising dent removal (small >JR>door dents & other minor dents) without damaging the paint. I tried to >JR>check it out but they wouldn't allow you near the process. SB>If you cool the dent and the area around it with dry ice (-135 degrees >fahrenhiet) The metal will contract to the piont that the dent will >"pull" itself out. But it has to be done evenly and slowly or the metal >will crack. It will also most definatley crack along the crease because >that area has "work hardened" the point were any cooling will increase >the hardness and brittleness causing it to crack. Thanks for the input. Have you tried this process? Jim --- * QMPro 1.51 * Beauty is only skin deep,but ugly goes clear to the bone. * Origin: Power Windows! is Win95 & MIDI! 205-881-8619 (1:373/27) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: DDP00010 Date: 09/19/96 From: JIM RUSSELL Time: 06:36am \/To: SEAN BUTLER (Read 4 times) Subj: Dent removel SB>JR>A couple of years ago there was a shop advertising dent removal (small >JR>door dents & other minor dents) without damaging the paint. I tried to >JR>check it out but they wouldn't allow you near the process. SB>If you cool the dent and the area around it with dry ice (-135 degrees >fahrenhiet) The metal will contract to the piont that the dent will >"pull" itself out. But it has to be done evenly and slowly or the metal >will crack. It will also most definatley crack along the crease because >that area has "work hardened" the point were any cooling will increase >the hardness and brittleness causing it to crack. Thanks for the input. Have you tried this process? Jim --- * QMPro 1.51 * Beauty is only skin deep,but ugly goes clear to the bone. * Origin: Power Windows! is Win95 & MIDI! 205-881-8619 (1:373/27) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: DDP00011 Date: 09/20/96 From: MODERATOR Time: 12:10am \/To: ALL (Read 4 times) Subj: Rules of the OLDCARS Echo Rules for FidoNet's OLDCARS Echo *** Revised 3-18-96 *** The following are the rules for the OLDCARS FIDO-NET echo conference. This conference is carried on the FIDO-NET backbone and is moderated by Gerry Calhoun at 1:2004/0. These rules will be subject to change if a change seems needed or is requested. Enforcement of the rules will be handled in the echo and/or via net-mail. Repeated violations of the rules may be considered grounds for the offending node to have its link to this conference cut. Rule #1: Please try to keep your language suitable to all ages. Remember this message base is open to all age groups, and some may take offense to foul language. 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If there are any questions or comments about these rules, address them to me, Gerry Calhoun, via net-mail ONLY at 1:2004/0. --- * Origin: PETS R US! 805-946-8345 - Lancaster, CA (1:2004/0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: DDP00012 Date: 09/19/96 From: RUSTY DODSON Time: 11:17am \/To: RICHARD DOHERTY (Read 4 times) Subj: Chevrolet SS RD> so as a joke RD> he gave it the most ridiculous name he could think of, RD> General Turisimo RD> Overdrive, made it available in 1963 and the rest is Excuse me, but where on earth did you get that name? --- FMail 1.20 * Origin: Diehard's Bar and Grill Lenexa, KS (913)438-7286 (1:280/429) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 155 OLD CARS Ref: DDP00013 Date: 09/19/96 From: RUSTY DODSON Time: 11:21am \/To: FLOYD REISKE (Read 4 times) Subj: Old Cars FR> GC> I don't think there ever were SS Cameros . They FR> GC> did have an RS but not a SS. The 302 was only available FR> GC> with the Z-28 option. Well, you're part right, the 302 was a Z-28 engine. But SS Camaros did exist! The Super Sport and Rally Sport were both popular options! --- FMail 1.20 * Origin: Diehard's Bar and Grill Lenexa, KS (913)438-7286 (1:280/429)